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On 10/9/2021 at 10:13 AM, kdels62 said:

No there isn’t 

Matt Miller disagrees.  Here’s his latest mock from earlier in the week:

1. Jacksonville Jaguars — OT Evan Neal, Alabama
The Jaguars have one of the worst left tackles in the NFL in Cam Robinson. This is a no-brainer selection for whomever the general manager and head coach are. They must protect Trevor Lawrence and Neal is one of the best handful of prospects in the nation.

 

2. Detroit Lions — QB Malik Willis, Liberty
Jared Goff isn’t the only problem in Detroit, but it sure feels like Brad Holmes and Dan Campbell will want to select their own guy at quarterback. Also, history tells us that a team drafting in the top five with an unsettled quarterback situation almost always opts to add a passer here. Malik Willis is carving teams up on a weekly basis and has taken his elite athletic traits and turned them into high-end quarterback ability. 

 

3. Houston Texans — QB Matt Corral, Ole Miss
Davis Mills hasn’t been that bad, but if the Texans have a chance to select a top-tier quarterback prospect they have to do it. Corral has improved drastically in the last year thanks to a cut down on turnovers and improved mechanics. He’s still rough around the edges, but he profiles as an NFL starter with very good feet and athletic ability on top of a huge arm.

 

4. New York Jets — DE Kayvon Thibodeaux, Oregon
Not the biggest need, but the Jets cannot pass up the best overall player in the 2022 draft class being available at this spot. Especially with another pick coming in Round 1 thanks to the Jamal Adams trade, general manager Joe Douglas can afford to go with value here over a need.

 

5. Philadelphia Eagles (from Miami)—DE Aidan Hutchinson, Michigan
The Eagles hit the lottery with three selections in the top 10 thanks to previous trades. They also hit the lottery with Aidan Hutchinson on the board to fill an obvious need at defensive end. Hutchinson has arguably been the best overall player in college football this year and is the type of high-intensity, highly-athletic pass-rusher this team lacks.

6. Philadelphia Eagles (from Indianapolis)—S Kyle Hamilton, Notre Dame
The great picks line up in back-to-back fashion for the Eagles. If Aidan Hutchinson isn’t the top defender in CFB right now, Kyle Hamilton is. The Notre Dame safety is an elite prospect with awesome size (6’4”, 220 lbs), range, instincts and ball skills.

 

7. New York Giants — DE Drake Jackson, USC
One of my favorite players this season is USC’s Drake Jackson. He’s a top-tier athlete at the edge position and has proven that this season with his ability to play standing up or with his hand down. Opposite Azeez Ojulari, the two could create all sorts of problems for NFC East quarterbacks and offensive tackles.

 

8. Atlanta Falcons — CB Derek Stingley Jr., LSU
You’d love to see a quarterback here if you are a Falcons fan, but it would be a pretty sizeable reach to pick up Desmond Ridder (Cincinnati) or Carson Strong (Nevada) in this spot. And this is why so many folks yelled for the Falcons to draft a quarterback at No. 4 overall last year. The pick they do make—cornerback Stingley—is a super high potential player who hasn’t played at a high level due to injury in 2021 and a quietly down year in 2020. Stingley’s freshman tape was legendary, but teams are betting he’ll pop back to that level once he’s away from a struggling LSU team.

 

9. New England Patriots — DE George Karlaftis, Purdue
We can point to the needs the Patriots have on offense at wide receiver and offensive tackle, but Bill Belichick might not be able to resist the talent of Karlaftis. A dominant power-to-speed rusher, he has the tools to be the Chandler Jones-type rusher this team has been missing.

 

10. Philadelphia Eagles — OT Charles Cross, Mississippi State
It’s high time to start thinking about the right tackle position, and Charles Cross has the athleticism to be a star on the front of this offensive line. He’s among the most athletic linemen in the nation and has excelled so far in 2021. The Eagles add three highly athletic starters with three picks in the top 10 while building around Jalen Hurts with this selection.

 

11. Miami Dolphins (from San Francisco) — DL DeMarvin Leal, Texas A&M
Something has to give with the Miami defense, which was predicted to be one of the best in the league this year but has struggled to get going. Leal is a versatile up-front defender who can play 3-technique to 5-technique and excel there.

 

12. New York Jets (from Seattle) — OC Tyler Linderbaum, Iowa
Jets’ fans get their wish with the athletic, tough-as-hell center from Iowa. Linderbaum playing with Mekhi Becton and Alijah Vera-Tucker gives Zach Wilson one heck of a start to an elite offensive line.

 

Total home run first round for the Jets.

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46 minutes ago, Bronxville Jets Fan said:

Matt Miller disagrees.  Here’s his latest mock from earlier in the week:

1. Jacksonville Jaguars — OT Evan Neal, Alabama
The Jaguars have one of the worst left tackles in the NFL in Cam Robinson. This is a no-brainer selection for whomever the general manager and head coach are. They must protect Trevor Lawrence and Neal is one of the best handful of prospects in the nation.

 

2. Detroit Lions — QB Malik Willis, Liberty
Jared Goff isn’t the only problem in Detroit, but it sure feels like Brad Holmes and Dan Campbell will want to select their own guy at quarterback. Also, history tells us that a team drafting in the top five with an unsettled quarterback situation almost always opts to add a passer here. Malik Willis is carving teams up on a weekly basis and has taken his elite athletic traits and turned them into high-end quarterback ability. 

 

3. Houston Texans — QB Matt Corral, Ole Miss
Davis Mills hasn’t been that bad, but if the Texans have a chance to select a top-tier quarterback prospect they have to do it. Corral has improved drastically in the last year thanks to a cut down on turnovers and improved mechanics. He’s still rough around the edges, but he profiles as an NFL starter with very good feet and athletic ability on top of a huge arm.

 

4. New York Jets — DE Kayvon Thibodeaux, Oregon
Not the biggest need, but the Jets cannot pass up the best overall player in the 2022 draft class being available at this spot. Especially with another pick coming in Round 1 thanks to the Jamal Adams trade, general manager Joe Douglas can afford to go with value here over a need.

 

5. Philadelphia Eagles (from Miami)—DE Aidan Hutchinson, Michigan
The Eagles hit the lottery with three selections in the top 10 thanks to previous trades. They also hit the lottery with Aidan Hutchinson on the board to fill an obvious need at defensive end. Hutchinson has arguably been the best overall player in college football this year and is the type of high-intensity, highly-athletic pass-rusher this team lacks.

6. Philadelphia Eagles (from Indianapolis)—S Kyle Hamilton, Notre Dame
The great picks line up in back-to-back fashion for the Eagles. If Aidan Hutchinson isn’t the top defender in CFB right now, Kyle Hamilton is. The Notre Dame safety is an elite prospect with awesome size (6’4”, 220 lbs), range, instincts and ball skills.

 

7. New York Giants — DE Drake Jackson, USC
One of my favorite players this season is USC’s Drake Jackson. He’s a top-tier athlete at the edge position and has proven that this season with his ability to play standing up or with his hand down. Opposite Azeez Ojulari, the two could create all sorts of problems for NFC East quarterbacks and offensive tackles.

 

8. Atlanta Falcons — CB Derek Stingley Jr., LSU
You’d love to see a quarterback here if you are a Falcons fan, but it would be a pretty sizeable reach to pick up Desmond Ridder (Cincinnati) or Carson Strong (Nevada) in this spot. And this is why so many folks yelled for the Falcons to draft a quarterback at No. 4 overall last year. The pick they do make—cornerback Stingley—is a super high potential player who hasn’t played at a high level due to injury in 2021 and a quietly down year in 2020. Stingley’s freshman tape was legendary, but teams are betting he’ll pop back to that level once he’s away from a struggling LSU team.

 

9. New England Patriots — DE George Karlaftis, Purdue
We can point to the needs the Patriots have on offense at wide receiver and offensive tackle, but Bill Belichick might not be able to resist the talent of Karlaftis. A dominant power-to-speed rusher, he has the tools to be the Chandler Jones-type rusher this team has been missing.

 

10. Philadelphia Eagles — OT Charles Cross, Mississippi State
It’s high time to start thinking about the right tackle position, and Charles Cross has the athleticism to be a star on the front of this offensive line. He’s among the most athletic linemen in the nation and has excelled so far in 2021. The Eagles add three highly athletic starters with three picks in the top 10 while building around Jalen Hurts with this selection.

 

11. Miami Dolphins (from San Francisco) — DL DeMarvin Leal, Texas A&M
Something has to give with the Miami defense, which was predicted to be one of the best in the league this year but has struggled to get going. Leal is a versatile up-front defender who can play 3-technique to 5-technique and excel there.

 

12. New York Jets (from Seattle) — OC Tyler Linderbaum, Iowa
Jets’ fans get their wish with the athletic, tough-as-hell center from Iowa. Linderbaum playing with Mekhi Becton and Alijah Vera-Tucker gives Zach Wilson one heck of a start to an elite offensive line.

 

Total home run first round for the Jets.

If that goes down then it would be pretty great. I doubt it happens like that since Thibodeaux is just much better than Neal. 

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I think by seasons end we won’t be in a top 5 spot but that’s just me. 
 

I do think Linderbaum will be there for the taking though for at least 1 of the picks. He would be tremendous help. 
 

I think priority #1 this offseason is getting Wyatt Teller or Scherff, preferably Teller and doing so at any cost. Gives us major flexibility in draft 

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On 10/14/2021 at 10:16 AM, Bronxville Jets Fan said:

Matt Miller disagrees.  Here’s his latest mock from earlier in the week:

1. Jacksonville Jaguars — OT Evan Neal, Alabama
The Jaguars have one of the worst left tackles in the NFL in Cam Robinson. This is a no-brainer selection for whomever the general manager and head coach are. They must protect Trevor Lawrence and Neal is one of the best handful of prospects in the nation.

 

2. Detroit Lions — QB Malik Willis, Liberty
Jared Goff isn’t the only problem in Detroit, but it sure feels like Brad Holmes and Dan Campbell will want to select their own guy at quarterback. Also, history tells us that a team drafting in the top five with an unsettled quarterback situation almost always opts to add a passer here. Malik Willis is carving teams up on a weekly basis and has taken his elite athletic traits and turned them into high-end quarterback ability. 

 

3. Houston Texans — QB Matt Corral, Ole Miss
Davis Mills hasn’t been that bad, but if the Texans have a chance to select a top-tier quarterback prospect they have to do it. Corral has improved drastically in the last year thanks to a cut down on turnovers and improved mechanics. He’s still rough around the edges, but he profiles as an NFL starter with very good feet and athletic ability on top of a huge arm.

 

4. New York Jets — DE Kayvon Thibodeaux, Oregon
Not the biggest need, but the Jets cannot pass up the best overall player in the 2022 draft class being available at this spot. Especially with another pick coming in Round 1 thanks to the Jamal Adams trade, general manager Joe Douglas can afford to go with value here over a need.

 

5. Philadelphia Eagles (from Miami)—DE Aidan Hutchinson, Michigan
The Eagles hit the lottery with three selections in the top 10 thanks to previous trades. They also hit the lottery with Aidan Hutchinson on the board to fill an obvious need at defensive end. Hutchinson has arguably been the best overall player in college football this year and is the type of high-intensity, highly-athletic pass-rusher this team lacks.

6. Philadelphia Eagles (from Indianapolis)—S Kyle Hamilton, Notre Dame
The great picks line up in back-to-back fashion for the Eagles. If Aidan Hutchinson isn’t the top defender in CFB right now, Kyle Hamilton is. The Notre Dame safety is an elite prospect with awesome size (6’4”, 220 lbs), range, instincts and ball skills.

 

7. New York Giants — DE Drake Jackson, USC
One of my favorite players this season is USC’s Drake Jackson. He’s a top-tier athlete at the edge position and has proven that this season with his ability to play standing up or with his hand down. Opposite Azeez Ojulari, the two could create all sorts of problems for NFC East quarterbacks and offensive tackles.

 

8. Atlanta Falcons — CB Derek Stingley Jr., LSU
You’d love to see a quarterback here if you are a Falcons fan, but it would be a pretty sizeable reach to pick up Desmond Ridder (Cincinnati) or Carson Strong (Nevada) in this spot. And this is why so many folks yelled for the Falcons to draft a quarterback at No. 4 overall last year. The pick they do make—cornerback Stingley—is a super high potential player who hasn’t played at a high level due to injury in 2021 and a quietly down year in 2020. Stingley’s freshman tape was legendary, but teams are betting he’ll pop back to that level once he’s away from a struggling LSU team.

 

9. New England Patriots — DE George Karlaftis, Purdue
We can point to the needs the Patriots have on offense at wide receiver and offensive tackle, but Bill Belichick might not be able to resist the talent of Karlaftis. A dominant power-to-speed rusher, he has the tools to be the Chandler Jones-type rusher this team has been missing.

 

10. Philadelphia Eagles — OT Charles Cross, Mississippi State
It’s high time to start thinking about the right tackle position, and Charles Cross has the athleticism to be a star on the front of this offensive line. He’s among the most athletic linemen in the nation and has excelled so far in 2021. The Eagles add three highly athletic starters with three picks in the top 10 while building around Jalen Hurts with this selection.

 

11. Miami Dolphins (from San Francisco) — DL DeMarvin Leal, Texas A&M
Something has to give with the Miami defense, which was predicted to be one of the best in the league this year but has struggled to get going. Leal is a versatile up-front defender who can play 3-technique to 5-technique and excel there.

 

12. New York Jets (from Seattle) — OC Tyler Linderbaum, Iowa
Jets’ fans get their wish with the athletic, tough-as-hell center from Iowa. Linderbaum playing with Mekhi Becton and Alijah Vera-Tucker gives Zach Wilson one heck of a start to an elite offensive line.

 

Total home run first round for the Jets.

Why are the Pats picking 9th? Has Matt Miller even seen Mac Jones' pace?

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On 11/23/2021 at 8:02 AM, BurntDice said:

I haven’t been watching him because I just assumed we had no chance, but the more recent mocks I’ve seen have Hutchinson going ahead of thib. Apparently he’s been playing poor. Anyone have insight?

He's been playing injured and also he's been schemed against pretty heavily. It's pretty hard to scheme against Hutchinson given Ojabo is on the other side. End of the day football is a team game and you have to take this into account when projecting players to the next level. I still think Kayvon goes number one pretty easily. Hutchinson is incredibly well rounded as a player but just doesn't have the upside of a Kayvon (or, TBH, even Ojabo). 

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20 hours ago, PLO said:

He's been playing injured and also he's been schemed against pretty heavily. It's pretty hard to scheme against Hutchinson given Ojabo is on the other side. End of the day football is a team game and you have to take this into account when projecting players to the next level. I still think Kayvon goes number one pretty easily. Hutchinson is incredibly well rounded as a player but just doesn't have the upside of a Kayvon (or, TBH, even Ojabo). 

I’ve been doing some digging into ojabo and holy hell dude has sky high potential. This edge class seems crazy deep and hutch/thib don’t really seem THAT much better than the rest of the guys. 

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23 minutes ago, BurntDice said:

I’ve been doing some digging into ojabo and holy hell dude has sky high potential. This edge class seems crazy deep and hutch/thib don’t really seem THAT much better than the rest of the guys. 

Plus anyone with "jab" in their name would be very apropos in the world we're living in right now. 

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1 hour ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Plus anyone with "jab" in their name would be very apropos in the world we're living in right now. 

Right ha. But seriously he’s only been playing football for like 4 years and watch this 

 

https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/1458246692558475264?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1458246692558475264|twgr^|twcon^s1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftheathletic.com%2F

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Hutchinson is the best edgerusher in the draft

I certainly wouldn’t be disappointed if the Jets get Thibodeaux, but I could see him being another Clowney type.

Good player overall but never lives up to the hype of being a consistent, double digit sack machine.

I might even prefer Karlaftis over him

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1 hour ago, Barton said:

Something is up with this guy. There is explosion and bend with him but his production doesnt match being a top 3 pick.

Also, he's clearly been playing not to get injured recently. His motor has been ehh. Now he's sitting out the bowl game. 

Can’t hold it against a kid that he avoids a non playoff bowl game. There should definitely be questions about his production tho. 

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15 hours ago, Barton said:

Something is up with this guy. There is explosion and bend with him but his production doesnt match being a top 3 pick.

Also, he's clearly been playing not to get injured recently. His motor has been ehh. Now he's sitting out the bowl game. 

2 weeks ago, PFF stated when he was on the field for that particular weekend game, the opponent got the ball out in 2 seconds flat on average. On plays in which he was out, it was something like 3.38 seconds (my guess but it around this number). So stats do matter but it's the advance stats that really tells us the story.

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On 10/14/2021 at 10:16 AM, Bronxville Jets Fan said:

Matt Miller disagrees.  Here’s his latest mock from earlier in the week:

1. Jacksonville Jaguars — OT Evan Neal, Alabama
The Jaguars have one of the worst left tackles in the NFL in Cam Robinson. This is a no-brainer selection for whomever the general manager and head coach are. They must protect Trevor Lawrence and Neal is one of the best handful of prospects in the nation.

 

2. Detroit Lions — QB Malik Willis, Liberty
Jared Goff isn’t the only problem in Detroit, but it sure feels like Brad Holmes and Dan Campbell will want to select their own guy at quarterback. Also, history tells us that a team drafting in the top five with an unsettled quarterback situation almost always opts to add a passer here. Malik Willis is carving teams up on a weekly basis and has taken his elite athletic traits and turned them into high-end quarterback ability. 

 

3. Houston Texans — QB Matt Corral, Ole Miss
Davis Mills hasn’t been that bad, but if the Texans have a chance to select a top-tier quarterback prospect they have to do it. Corral has improved drastically in the last year thanks to a cut down on turnovers and improved mechanics. He’s still rough around the edges, but he profiles as an NFL starter with very good feet and athletic ability on top of a huge arm.

 

4. New York Jets — DE Kayvon Thibodeaux, Oregon
Not the biggest need, but the Jets cannot pass up the best overall player in the 2022 draft class being available at this spot. Especially with another pick coming in Round 1 thanks to the Jamal Adams trade, general manager Joe Douglas can afford to go with value here over a need.

 

5. Philadelphia Eagles (from Miami)—DE Aidan Hutchinson, Michigan
The Eagles hit the lottery with three selections in the top 10 thanks to previous trades. They also hit the lottery with Aidan Hutchinson on the board to fill an obvious need at defensive end. Hutchinson has arguably been the best overall player in college football this year and is the type of high-intensity, highly-athletic pass-rusher this team lacks.

6. Philadelphia Eagles (from Indianapolis)—S Kyle Hamilton, Notre Dame
The great picks line up in back-to-back fashion for the Eagles. If Aidan Hutchinson isn’t the top defender in CFB right now, Kyle Hamilton is. The Notre Dame safety is an elite prospect with awesome size (6’4”, 220 lbs), range, instincts and ball skills.

 

7. New York Giants — DE Drake Jackson, USC
One of my favorite players this season is USC’s Drake Jackson. He’s a top-tier athlete at the edge position and has proven that this season with his ability to play standing up or with his hand down. Opposite Azeez Ojulari, the two could create all sorts of problems for NFC East quarterbacks and offensive tackles.

 

8. Atlanta Falcons — CB Derek Stingley Jr., LSU
You’d love to see a quarterback here if you are a Falcons fan, but it would be a pretty sizeable reach to pick up Desmond Ridder (Cincinnati) or Carson Strong (Nevada) in this spot. And this is why so many folks yelled for the Falcons to draft a quarterback at No. 4 overall last year. The pick they do make—cornerback Stingley—is a super high potential player who hasn’t played at a high level due to injury in 2021 and a quietly down year in 2020. Stingley’s freshman tape was legendary, but teams are betting he’ll pop back to that level once he’s away from a struggling LSU team.

 

9. New England Patriots — DE George Karlaftis, Purdue
We can point to the needs the Patriots have on offense at wide receiver and offensive tackle, but Bill Belichick might not be able to resist the talent of Karlaftis. A dominant power-to-speed rusher, he has the tools to be the Chandler Jones-type rusher this team has been missing.

 

10. Philadelphia Eagles — OT Charles Cross, Mississippi State
It’s high time to start thinking about the right tackle position, and Charles Cross has the athleticism to be a star on the front of this offensive line. He’s among the most athletic linemen in the nation and has excelled so far in 2021. The Eagles add three highly athletic starters with three picks in the top 10 while building around Jalen Hurts with this selection.

 

11. Miami Dolphins (from San Francisco) — DL DeMarvin Leal, Texas A&M
Something has to give with the Miami defense, which was predicted to be one of the best in the league this year but has struggled to get going. Leal is a versatile up-front defender who can play 3-technique to 5-technique and excel there.

 

12. New York Jets (from Seattle) — OC Tyler Linderbaum, Iowa
Jets’ fans get their wish with the athletic, tough-as-hell center from Iowa. Linderbaum playing with Mekhi Becton and Alijah Vera-Tucker gives Zach Wilson one heck of a start to an elite offensive line.

 

Total home run first round for the Jets.

Wait…. So the rise of qbs has already started? Whod have thunked it?

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On 12/9/2021 at 1:21 PM, Barry McCockinner said:

What do you all think of possibly trading up to #1 or #2 for pass rusher? We have a lot of draft capital and where we're sitting right now at 4 & 5 puts us right in some S/DT type BPA territory. I typically prefer trading down but this scheme really relies on that top tier pass rusher.

Hard no on this. Thib and hutch aren’t that much better than guys like ojabo. If anything trade back. 8-40ish is the sweet spot in this draft. If they were like chase young or garret then it’s something to think about. These guys are a step below

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On 12/14/2021 at 7:39 AM, Be_a_Jet said:

Forget about Thibs and Hutchinson we have no shot unless we trade up which seems unrealistic 
 

we are in the Karlaftis and Ojabo sweepstakes now. I like Ojabo better to complement Lawson but could be convinced of either right now. 
 

 

Idk if this is that true anymore. I’m starting to have the feeling that the jags will take Neal and a qb or 2 will go top 5 (corrall and/or Willis) 

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3 hours ago, Barton said:

Thibo is not a slam dunk prospect. His production is not special. Motor isnt great either. 

He’s has a few things to work on sure. He gets double teamed a lot because the ducks don’t have someone on the other side like hutch has with ojabo which 100% effects production. His ceiling is higher than hutch because of physical traits alone. He probably needs to bulk up a bit to play against the big boys in the nfl. His combine numbers will be fantastic.   I’d still take him over Hutchinson 

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On 12/20/2021 at 6:16 AM, Barton said:

Thibo is not a slam dunk prospect. His production is not special. Motor isnt great either. 

I was seeking out this thread to post something similar to this.  My biggest fear for Thibodeaux is that he falls to us at 4 and completely whiffs as a prospect.  Being a fan of CFB out west I've had a chance to watch a few of his games and he just doesn't seem like a top draft pick to me.  I think he's got talent, but there are long stretches where I just don't feel like he wants it.  I've got the feeling he's going to get to the NFL, get that money, realize it's way harder than Pac-12 ball and fizzle out.  I really hope we don't draft him.

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8 minutes ago, HtownJet said:

The sleeper stud edge in this draft is Ojabo. Would he be a reach with the Seahawks pick? Some team will be lucky to have him fall to them, kinda like the Giants and JPP.

Agree about Ojabo.  Him and Jermaine Johnson will probably be the biggest risers (in the edge class) as we navigate through the pre draft process.  

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5 hours ago, rtnelson said:

I was seeking out this thread to post something similar to this.  My biggest fear for Thibodeaux is that he falls to us at 4 and completely whiffs as a prospect.  Being a fan of CFB out west I've had a chance to watch a few of his games and he just doesn't seem like a top draft pick to me.  I think he's got talent, but there are long stretches where I just don't feel like he wants it.  I've got the feeling he's going to get to the NFL, get that money, realize it's way harder than Pac-12 ball and fizzle out.  I really hope we don't draft him.

Yup. The production doesnt match the hype and his athleticism. Maybe on the right team/coaching staff he could be good, but he's not some Nick Bosa type prospect. None of these guys in the draft are, including Hutchinson. 

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