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Just now, Rhg1084 said:

That’s after giving up 430 yards last week to a depleted Titans team as well. Saleh needs to get this thing under control, d keeps getting shredded 

thats can't be. we were told in the game thread how mad the defense should be at the offense

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2 minutes ago, neckdemon said:

thats can't be. we were told in the game thread how mad the defense should be at the offense

I have always loved this long time jets fan thought.  "It is the offenses fault for making our D tired by not getting 1st downs!"

Meanwhile the D take penalties consistently and can never get off the field on their own.

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1 minute ago, harris5214 said:

But we have two of the top 20 rated CBS how can that be? You mean that actually execution and performance outweigh “PFF” made up stats?


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So you think the CBs have been bad up until today? And you think they’ll get good grades this week?

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2 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

I have always loved this long time jets fan thought.  "It is the offenses fault for making our D tired by not getting 1st downs!"

Meanwhile the D take penalties consistently and can never get off the field on their own.

Valid. But we know damn well the poor offense does not help things. When has our defense in the last decade played with some sort of solid lead? 

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Anytime Jets d is asked to make a big stop they can’t do it.. didn’t do it last week (got lucky on a missed fg). And today when we pulled it to 20-17 with about 6 mins left they promptly let them march right down the field for the game clinching td 

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Just now, harris5214 said:


They’ve sucked or have been average so far this year.


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Before today Bryce Hall gave up like 70 yards in 4 games. MC2 didn’t give up a completion longer than 12 yards. They were playing well. They had a bad week.
 

Anyone think it’s a coincidence that the team has been giving up bigger plays since Marcus Maye got injured?

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3 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said:

Valid. But we know damn well the poor offense does not help things. When has our defense in the last decade played with some sort of solid lead? 

Sure the O is poor, but the narrative that they are to blame for the D utterly failing is nonsense.  Get off the field,  make a stop when it counts, the same stuff has been said for years with this team.

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1 minute ago, Beerfish said:

Sure the O is poor, but the narrative that they are to blame for the D utterly failing is nonsense.  Get off the field,  make a stop when it counts, the same stuff has been said for years with this team.

Can’t blame the offense for failing to stop a slant on 3rd and 12. Or 3rd and 15. 

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While they haven’t played good I will cut them some slack since they are always on the field.   Have to remember these numbers are inflated since the offense can’t sustain drives.  

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Started from the opening drive with the tough roughing call.  

 

Watching the defense was torturous and Zach was horrible.  

Equal blame across the board for everyone involved with the team.  

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For some reason I thought that THIS Jets team under this head coach was going to be one that could roll off a 6 game winning streak but with the refs being the one deciding factor in any game they are betting on makes THAT impossible and a defense that 1-can't stop a 3rd or 4th down crucial play and is incapable of getting turnovers-this is simply just the same old sh*t we've been watching (or NOT even bothering to anymore) since Rex Ryan's last two seasons. It's disgusting and crooked as hell, and no one can convince me otherwise. They've ruined this game with gambling being legal

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55 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Sure the O is poor, but the narrative that they are to blame for the D utterly failing is nonsense.  Get off the field,  make a stop when it counts, the same stuff has been said for years with this team.

Exactly right Beerfish YEARS

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2 hours ago, Beerfish said:

I have always loved this long time jets fan thought.  "It is the offenses fault for making our D tired by not getting 1st downs!"

Meanwhile the D take penalties consistently and can never get off the field on their own.

Do you think the Offense going 3 and out alot helps the Defense keep opposing yardage low?

No doubt the D was awful today.  In every moment that mattered, they came up small.

With that said, having a consistently bad, consistently low-TOP turnover-prone offense is a key to helping your Defense be worse in any statistical metric.

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2 hours ago, Rhg1084 said:

That’s after giving up 430 yards last week to a depleted Titans team as well. Saleh needs to get this thing under control, d keeps getting shredded 

When the offense goes 20 game time minutes without a first down, the defense will get tired.

The D was able to get 3 turnovers.

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10 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Do you think the Offense going 3 and out alot helps the Defense keep opposing yardage low?

Obviously doesn't. But the defense gave up two neverending stories to open this game and our offense only had two series in the quarter to begin with. 

Last week was much more a case, for me, of the offense putting the defense under pressure. 

If anything, I thought today was the opposite - hard to build any rhythm on offense when you don't touch the ball for long stretches either and today that was on the D in the 1st qtr. 

In fairness, that was an AWFUL call on Quincy and Zach should have got the ball very early on... And the d compensated with turnovers later on but I don't buy blaming the offense for D's 3rd down issues in the first half this week.

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10 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Do you think the Offense going 3 and out alot helps the Defense keep opposing yardage low?

No doubt the D was awful today.  In every moment that mattered, they came up small.

With that said, having a consistently bad, consistently low-TOP turnover-prone offense is a key to helping your Defense be worse in any statistical metric.

That is an excuse late in the game. The offense had 3 plays in the first quarter 

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2 hours ago, Rhg1084 said:

That’s after giving up 430 yards last week to a depleted Titans team as well. Saleh needs to get this thing under control, d keeps getting shredded 

Defense played ok despite always being on the field

Disaster ROUGHING THE PASSER penalty changed everything.

Might have been a completely different game 

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2 minutes ago, Pichula said:

That is an excuse late in the game. The offense had 3 plays in the first quarter 

Aided and abetted by the single worst Roughing the Passer call I have ever seen.

But like I said:  No doubt the D was awful today.  In every moment that mattered, they came up small.

Pointing out that our O is dogsh*t and is hurting our Defense every week does eliminate responsibility for the Defenses own poor play and big moment failures.

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The defensive game plan today was piss poor.
double team, heck triple team pitts if need be. They just couldn’t get off the field on 3rd down.
 

Having a DE covering Pitts by the goal line had me saying WTF.
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