Popular Post Alka Posted October 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2021 That is exactly how I feel, and it is all because the leadership of this team is stubborn as a mule. The reasons: 1. Stubbornness not to bring in a veteran QB before the season, and allow Zach to initially watch and bring him along slowly to begin the season. 2. Stubbornness by JD not to address what all Jets fans knew before the season, and that is that we desperately needed a right guard, but JD said to let our mediocre O linemen fight it out to see who would start. 3. Stubbornness by Saleh to not see beyond the nose on his face not to put Denzel Mims on the outside and allow him to make plays. Then Stubbornness by the coaches to not see clearly that Moore is not a wideout, and should be playing from the slot. 4. Stobbornnrss by Saleh not to hold Lefleur accountable and come up with a simplified gameplan so that Zach is not in over his head. I feel that JD and Saleh will eventually get this right, but what is holding the team back so far is JD and Saleh. The mistakes for this season has already been made, and unfortunately they can't undo the miserable decisions they have made up until now. 7 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, Alka said: That is exactly how I feel, and it is all because the leadership of this team is stubborn as a mule. The reasons: 1. Stubbornness not to bring in a veteran QB 2. Stubbornness by JD 3. Stubbornness by Saleh 4. Stobbornnrss by Saleh lol 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Crusher Posted October 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2021 Too stubborn to FREE DENZEL! 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 As to point number 4, should we run the wishbone? How much simpler do you need it?Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted October 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2021 I feel like the bigger problem is that both Saleh and Douglas are treating this like a redshirt year for themselves because they’re starting a rookie and they act like every game is just extended preseason. 12 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 31 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I feel like the bigger problem is that both Saleh and Douglas are treating this like a redshirt year for themselves because they’re starting a rookie and act like every game is just extended preseason. They know ownership has forever accepted BS excuses every year from coaches as long as they have been here that get away with babbling about gelling until around Halloween every season. Nonsense you tolerate becomes standard operating procedure. That Knapp's untimely death was was not a point of emphasis than this would not be acceptable, inexcusable. Either bring in an old dog coach or a salty vet QB or both. they brought in....Matt Cavanaugh. Now, Cavanaugh has been around forever and here before, but so far, doens't look like he imparted much guidance. If they were going to birng in a retread, Chan Gailey isn't doing anything. Neither is Josh McCown. There's no cap on coaches, and McCown's looking into being a coach anyway. Looks like this kid is pretty much sinking, not swimming, and theyre are doing him no favors. How many times can ownership watch the team make the same mistakes at QB? 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 You forgot a few: Thinks that he can outsmart the league by bringing in cheap players with histories of injury. Things he can outsmart the league by drafting a meatball on toothpicks LT. Thinks that he can outsmart the league by bringing in small players in skill positions. Thinks that free agents will want to come here seeing how he treated Osemele and Maye. Thinks that reducing us to an expansion team roster without an expansion draft is a good idea. Thinks that he can run the ball with an ancient Coleman and a dwarf Carter. Thinks that hiring a CEO type HC will work then chooses a friendly rah-rah guy. Thinks that hiring a Shanahan System OC will work when its failing all over the league. SAR I 3 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RoadFan Posted October 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2021 They aren’t as good as they were last week. Not as hopeless as they were against Denver. However, they are still a bad team, and bad teams can’t fall behind like this every week. The CS has to correct these slow starts after the bye… 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted October 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, Bugg said: They know ownership has forever accepted BS excuses every year from coaches as long as they have been here that get away with babbling about gelling until around Halloween every season. Nonsense you tolerate becomes standard operating procedure. That Knapp's untimely death was was not a point of emphasis than this would not be acceptable, inexcusable. Either bring in an old dog coach or a salty vet QB or both. they brought in....Matt Cavanaugh. Now, Cavanaugh has been around forever and here before, but so far, doens't look like he imparted much guidance. If they were going to birng in a retread, Chan Gailey isn't doing anything. Neither is Josh McCown. There's no cap on coaches, and McCown's looking into being a coach anyway. Looks like this kid is pretty much sinking, not swimming, and there are doing him no favors. How many times can ownership watch the team make the same mistakes at QB? It really is bizarre that they invest a lot into bringing young QBs in and then do nothing to protect that investment. They’re going to let another meathead DC/HC guide the development of the QB by hiring one of the DC’s frat buds. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 12 minutes ago, SAR I said: You forgot a few: Thinks that he can outsmart the league by bringing in cheap players with histories of injury. Things he can outsmart the league by drafting a meatball on toothpicks LT. Thinks that he can outsmart the league by bringing in small players in skill positions. Thinks that free agents will want to come here seeing how he treated Osemele and Maye. Thinks that reducing us to an expansion team roster without an expansion draft is a good idea. Thinks that he can run the ball with an ancient Coleman and a dwarf Carter. Thinks that hiring a CEO type HC will work then chooses a friendly rah-rah guy. Thinks that hiring a Shanahan System OC will work when its failing all over the league. SAR I I'm ad you mentioned the mini players Carter and Moore. Carter is talented but can't break a tackle. He got stopped by a hand on his shoulder pad today. Moore is a 3rd down slot/gadget guy, not a wideout. I honestly think Josh Adams would have made the best feature back for a zone blocking team that creates creases, not open holes. Moore is supposed to be Crowder plus deep ball skills. He's not as good as Crowder. Anyway thats my hot take. And yeah I still hate we rook Becton over Wirfs. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 I didn’t know that stuff about Brandon Ayiuak being in the 49er HC doghouse. The fact LaFleur and Salah just came from there.. The mims thing makes sense now?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albaniajet Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 One word: Woody 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammybighead Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 The word is zach. He's moving at a snails pace mentally right now and missing layups. Give hime time. He's got the rest of the year to work on these issues. Josh Allen had similar issues his rookie year. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 21 minutes ago, RoadFan said: They aren’t as good as they were last week. Not as hopeless as they were against Denver. However, they are still a bad team, and bad teams can’t fall behind like this every week. The CS has to correct these slow starts after the bye… This is a cogent, measured and intelligent post. Thank you. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 7 minutes ago, sirlancemehlot said: I'm ad you mentioned the mini players Carter and Moore. Carter is talented but can't break a tackle. He got stopped by a hand on his shoulder pad today. Moore is a 3rd down slot/gadget guy, not a wideout. I honestly think Josh Adams would have made the best feature back for a zone blocking team that creates creases, not open holes. Moore is supposed to be Crowder plus deep ball skills. He's not as good as Crowder. Anyway thats my hot take. And yeah I still hate we rook Becton over Wirfs. This. Joe Douglas is trying so hard to be unconventional that all he's doing is proving to the league that conventional wins. SAR I 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albaniajet Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, Sammybighead said: The word is zach. He's moving at a snails pace mentally right now and missing layups. Give hime time. He's got the rest of the year to work on these issues. Josh Allen had similar issues his rookie year. Zach is showing nothing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92ShaunEllis92 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Wilson is a young stallion that needs to be tamed. Bring in Holmgren as QB coach!!! Lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albaniajet Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Just now, 92ShaunEllis92 said: Wilson is a young stallion that needs to be tamed. Bring in Holmgren as QB coach!!! Lol Zach is going to get 2-3 offensive coordinators fired before the Jets move on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 I can just picture this board if we'd brought in a past-his-best vet like Foles and sat Zach, our #2 overall draft pick. "You can't judge the guy if he's sat on the bench". "How's he ever going to learn if he doesn't play?" "Why did we draft him just to sit him behind a washed up vet?" "JD sucks / Saleh sucks / LaFleur sucks!" "Free Zac!" 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 It's because we have too many players that suck balls 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlantajet333 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 The season is shaping up like the start of each game. We're executing the second half of games. The second half of the season is when this team starts showing signs of growth. Look at the next three or four games. Pats, Bengals, Colts, Bills. Do you smell any victories coming before the Fins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockeJET Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 1. First and foremost, a rookie defensive minded head coach should never ever bring in a rookie offensive coordinator. Especially to bring along a rookie QB. 2. Our first 10-15 plays of every game on offense kill this team. Do we script plays at all? 3. Zach is a rookie I get it but he’s missing most of his throws. Ball is always behind guys, very rarely puts the ball where they can run after the catch, can’t hit guys out of their breaks and doesn’t see wide open guys. 4. Talent wins! This is an expansion team type roster. We have a few guys emerging but this team doesn’t have anybody who scares opposing coordinators on either side of the ball. We need playmakers and game breakers desperately! 5. I’m not giving up on Saleh or JD but it all starts up top. We always bring in never been HC’s, never been Coordinaters and never been GMs. Hence the reason why we Never do sh*t!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 14 minutes ago, LockeJET said: 1. First and foremost, a rookie defensive minded head coach should never ever bring in a rookie offensive coordinator. Especially to bring along a rookie QB. 2. Our first 10-15 plays of every game on offense kill this team. Do we script plays at all? 3. Zach is a rookie I get it but he’s missing most of his throws. Ball is always behind guys, very rarely puts the ball where they can run after the catch, can’t hit guys out of their breaks and doesn’t see wide open guys. 4. Talent wins! This is an expansion team type roster. We have a few guys emerging but this team doesn’t have anybody who scares opposing coordinators on either side of the ball. We need playmakers and game breakers desperately! 5. I’m not giving up on Saleh or JD but it all starts up top. We always bring in never been HC’s, never been Coordinaters and never been GMs. Hence the reason why we Never do sh*t!! The fact that the jets can’t get off the field on 3rd down in the first half and can’t get the offense going until 5 minutes are left in the first half is largely coaching. Even the other bad teams are mostly competitive in the first half. The jets sleepwalk through the first 25 minutes every game. Wilson has not been good, that’s definitely a big part of it, but still, it goes way beyond wilson. I suspect that there’s more miscommunication between wr and qb than we know, and that’s why they’re so afraid to play mims. Some of the play calls are moronic. But overall there’s just too many young guys being led by rookie coaches and when you watch the offense you wonder what vet has the gravitas and leadership to calm them down when things aren’t going well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alka Posted October 11, 2021 Author Share Posted October 11, 2021 10 hours ago, SAR I said: Thinks that he can outsmart the league by bringing in cheap players with histories of injury. I definitely forgot this one! You know that The Jets have a history of taking injured players. Take for example, Dee Milner, picked # 9 overall. He was a bust, or DeWayne Robertson, picked #4 overall. DeWayne, when drafted, had a bone-on-bone condition in one of his knees, and we traded (2) two first round picks to move up to get him. We knew he was injury compromised, and we knew it was never going to get better, but we still traded up to get him. He didn't last very long! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Said it before, say it again. JD is trying to make a name for himself in the NFL with some unique way of building BUT its not working. He's not the first guy to gamble like this and get burned. Hopefully the Jets catch on to this con man 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 False maccagnan traded 3 second round picks and burned a 3rd overall on a QB he fell in love with because his teammates naturally gravitated to him on the sidelines (from the breer article) and ignored his flaws because he convinced himself that the jets needed locker room culture warriors more than actual players. He thought Darnolds innate awesomeness was worth more than 3 second round picks to surround him with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 3 hours ago, Atlantajet333 said: The second half of the season is when this team starts showing signs of growth. been hearing this since week 1 Holding you all to the magical second half of the season we are headed for. I do find it funny many of these posters are the same people who dismissed 2019 second half 6-2 as "garbage wins" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 18 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: Said it before, say it again. JD is trying to make a name for himself in the NFL with some unique way of building BUT its not working. He's not the first guy to gamble like this and get burned. Hopefully the Jets catch on to this con man SAR I 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longsuffering88 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 11 hours ago, Alka said: That is exactly how I feel, and it is all because the leadership of this team is stubborn as a mule. The reasons: 1. Stubbornness not to bring in a veteran QB before the season, and allow Zach to initially watch and bring him along slowly to begin the season. 2. Stubbornness by JD not to address what all Jets fans knew before the season, and that is that we desperately needed a right guard, but JD said to let our mediocre O linemen fight it out to see who would start. 3. Stubbornness by Saleh to not see beyond the nose on his face not to put Denzel Mims on the outside and allow him to make plays. Then Stubbornness by the coaches to not see clearly that Moore is not a wideout, and should be playing from the slot. 4. Stobbornnrss by Saleh not to hold Lefleur accountable and come up with a simplified gameplan so that Zach is not in over his head. I feel that JD and Saleh will eventually get this right, but what is holding the team back so far is JD and Saleh. The mistakes for this season has already been made, and unfortunately they can't undo the miserable decisions they have made up until now. Good points Moore should be slot mims should take the lid off lefleur needs to dumb down the offense we needed a vet backup badly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Stubbornness to draft a second rate QB #2 overall than to soundly build a team and look to draft a QB when a real one is available. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 12 hours ago, T0mShane said: I feel like the bigger problem is that both Saleh and Douglas are treating this like a redshirt year for themselves because they’re starting a rookie and they act like every game is just extended preseason. Agreed, the lack of game planning and scheming plays for specific players is alarming. If this is how these guys are gonna operate long-term this won’t end well. The successful teams make opponent-specific adjustments. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 1 minute ago, jetscrazey said: Agreed, the lack of game planning and scheming plays for specific players is alarming. If this is how these guys are gonna operate long-term this won’t end well. The successful teams make opponent-specific adjustments. I dislike that they don’t even make adjustments to fit their own players. Is Zack Wilson not allowed to run the ball? Does Mims have to play exactly like Deebo Samuel? Why is Elijah Moore playing on the outside? Why are they still trying to make Wesco into a fullback even though he can’t do it? Why were they trying to use Becton in a zone blocking scheme? Why are they using Mosely as an off-the-ball OLB? Why did they draft two strong safeties, convert them into OLBs, and then not use them to cover TEs? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 12 hours ago, T0mShane said: I feel like the bigger problem is that both Saleh and Douglas are treating this like a redshirt year for themselves because they’re starting a rookie and they act like every game is just extended preseason. This is correct and they've been pretty upfront about it. The reality is, that's what this is. Problem, of course, is the players know this too and there's no real urgency from them to win and/or get better. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I dislike that they don’t even make adjustments to fit their own players. Is Zack Wilson not allowed to run the ball? Does Mims have to play exactly like Deebo Samuel? Why is Elijah Moore playing on the outside? Why are they still trying to make Wesco into a fullback even though he can’t do it? Why were they trying to use Becton in a zone blocking scheme? Why are they using Mosely as an off-the-ball OLB? Why did they draft two strong safeties, convert them into OLBs, and then not use them to cover TEs? Preach brother. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Failing to bring in a Plan B QB was gross neglect or idiocy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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