Denzel Mims: # 1 in the NFL in Yards per Reception and Yards per Target

[jgb]

6 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

You left out proves he knows where to line up.  And not have the rookie QB tell the 2nd year WR where he should be and the HC having to call TO.

That would be a huge help 

Then the excuse he needs to learn all positions to dress is an epically dumb one and makes me question if Saleh has a triple digit IQ. He should’ve simply said “Mims needs to work on the fundamentals” and not concoct this ridiculous tale. 

I still contend Mims as a jump ball specialist/situational deep threat easily cracks the top 45 players on this horrendous team. Hey but Saleh can lose his way rather than win someone else’s. I’m decades beyond being upset when the Jets suck. It’s all upside because my expectations are set to “mockery of the sport” for this team.

[Jet Nut]

21 minutes ago, jgb said:

Then the excuse he needs to learn all positions to dress is an epically dumb one and makes me question if Saleh has a triple digit IQ. He should’ve simply said “Mims needs to work on the fundamentals” and not concoct this ridiculous tale. 

I still contend Mims as a jump ball specialist/situational deep threat easily cracks the top 45 players on this horrendous team. Hey but Saleh can lose his way rather than win someone else’s. I’m decades beyond being upset when the Jets suck. It’s all upside because my expectations are set to “mockery of the sport” for this team.

It sounds like a HC who likes this WR and doesnt want to undress him in the press, let the world know what people have whispered about Mims.  Reports are that they like Mims but while he hasnt gotten it  yet theyre not giving up on his talent.

Who knows.  

[jgb]

1 minute ago, Jet Nut said:

It sounds like a HC who likes this WR and doesnt want to undress him in the press, let the world know what people have whispered about Mims.  Reports are that they like Mims but while he hasnt gotten it  yet theyre not giving up on his talent.

Who knows.  

Saleh can lead how he wants. At some point he will be judged by the results. That day gets closer all the time.

[Jet Nut]

2 minutes ago, jgb said:

Saleh can lead how he wants. At some point he will be judged by the results. That day gets closer all the time.

No one seems to have a problem with the way he leads his players.  And no one is judging him for his record coaching the youngest team in the league.  Hes never going to get trashed for this season, think Judge

[jgb]

1 minute ago, Jet Nut said:

No one seems to have a problem with the way he leads his players.  And no one is judging him for his record coaching the youngest team in the league.  Hes never going to get trashed for this season, think Judge

No one has a problem publicly until they do. Let’s see if he loses the team. Obviously I hope he doesn’t. He seems to have respect of his players but 14 loss seasons do tend the test relationships.

[Jet Nut]

1 minute ago, jgb said:

No one has a problem publicly until they do. Let’s see if he loses the team. Obviously I hope he doesn’t. He seems to have respect of his players but 14 loss seasons do tend the test relationships.

They didnt with the inept Gase a year ago so who knows.  

[jgb]

6 hours ago, peekskill68 said:

I find it interesting how the "Learn the Playbook" guys convince themselves they are the 100 watt bulbs in a sea of darkness, while the #FreeDenzel guys are the simpletons who don't understand real football...

Funny idea if the most physically talented player on your team is having trouble with the complexity of the playbook, create some situational plays for him. What a novel idea. It’s called “coaching.”

[T0mShane]

7 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

No one seems to have a problem with the way he leads his players.  And no one is judging him for his record coaching the youngest team in the league.  Hes never going to get trashed for this season, think Judge

Ohhhh no. No, no, no, no, no. Nooooo. Oh yes, he will be judged.

[Jet Nut]

3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Ohhhh no. No, no, no, no, no. Nooooo. Oh yes, he will be judged.

Didnt say he wouldnt, just no one is going to say boo this year

Other than fans here of course

[Maynard13]

8 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

But he can't make catches out of the slot so he sucks.

 

Yards per Reception leaders:

1. Denzel Mims, NYJ:  24.3
2. Quez Watkins, PHI:  20.5
3. Henry Ruggs, LV:  20.5
4. Ja'Marr Chase, CIN:  19.8
5. Deonte Harris, NO:  19.7
6. David Njoku, CLE:  18.6
7. Bryan Edwards, LV:  18.2
8. Deebo Samuel, SF:  17.7
9. Van Jefferson, LAR:  17.3
10. Marquise Brown, BAL:  17.2

 

Yards per Target leaders:

1. Denzel Mims, NYJ:  18.3
2. Quez Watkins, PHI:  15.7
3. David Njoku, CLE:  15.3
4. Ja'Marr Chase, CIN:  13.0
5. Henry Ruggs, LV:  12.4
6. Christian Kirk, ARI:  12.3
7. Marquise Brown, BAL:  11.6
8. CJ Uzomah, CIN:  11.5
9. Dallas Goedert, PHI:  11.4
10. Maxx Williams, ARI:  11.4

 

@The Crusher

 

LaFleur #32 in brains for OC's

[Maynard13]

15 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

No one seems to have a problem with the way he leads his players.  And no one is judging him for his record coaching the youngest team in the league.  Hes never going to get trashed for this season, think Judge

Thats what Gruden thought

[Jet Nut]

1 minute ago, Maynard13 said:

Thats what Gruden thought

Totally has nothing to do with anything with this staff. 

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, Jet Nut said:

Didnt say he wouldnt, just no one is going to say boo this year

Other than fans here of course

Jets fans are going to have a short fuse because—while it’s Saleh’s first year—it’s Year Three of the Douglas rebuild. Fair or not, Saleh has to be better than Gase was and he simply hasn’t been, so it’s just one continuous blob of failure and the natives are going to get restless. Saleh isn’t without blame, either. He’s the mush running the stadium steps for photo ops and putting everyone in t-shirts that say “All Gas, No Brake” right before they get rolled by Matt Ryan and Teddy Bridgewater. It’s going to get late very early for Saleh if Wilson continues to suck. And if Wilson gets hurt at any point? The Mike White Era will make the Luke Falk Era look like the Ming Dynasty by comparison. 

[Jet Nut]

5 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Jets fans are going to have a short fuse because—while it’s Saleh’s first year—it’s Year Three of the Douglas rebuild. Fair or not, Saleh has to be better than Gase was and he simply hasn’t been, so it’s just one continuous blob of failure and the natives are going to get restless. Saleh isn’t without blame, either. He’s the mush running the stadium steps for photo ops and putting everyone in t-shirts that say “All Gas, No Brake” right before they get rolled by Matt Ryan and Teddy Bridgewater. It’s going to get late very early for Saleh if Wilson continues to suck. And if Wilson gets hurt at any point? The Mike White Era will make the Luke Falk Era look like the Ming Dynasty by comparison. 

Gase had a 2nd year and 3rd year QB and won a single game with a team that in every single was was inept.  

I would also find it hard to believe that White or Josh Johnson would be worse than Falk.

Hes not getting killed this year 

[T0mShane]

4 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Gase had a 2nd year and 3rd year QB and won a single game with a team that in every single was was inept.  

I would also find it hard to believe that White or Josh Johnson would be worse than Falk.

Hes not getting killed this year 

I wouldn’t say “killed,” necessarily, but he doesn’t have much rope. By all objective measures, he was handed a better team than Gase ever had, and Gase was pilloried from Day One. The next four games are AT Pats, Bengals at home, AT Colts, Bills at home. You’re very likely 1-8 before you get the Dolphins and Texans in late November. That’s bleak. Saleh won’t get fired, but if it doesn’t start turning around for this team pretty quickly, he’s starting Year Two on a rapidly warming seat.

[Jet Nut]

3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I wouldn’t say “killed,” necessarily, but he doesn’t have much rope. By all objective measures, he was handed a better team than Gase ever had, and Gase was pilloried from Day One. The next four games are AT Pats, Bengals at home, AT Colts, Bills at home. You’re very likely 1-8 before you get the Dolphins and Texans in late November. That’s bleak. Saleh won’t get fired, but if it doesn’t start turning around for this team pretty quickly, he’s starting Year Two on a rapidly warming seat.

Hes coaching the youngest team in the NFL, average of 25 years old and being led by a rookie QB.  

I dont think that this Jets team has better talent translates to wins and losses at this point.  Or that you can look at all the young defensive players who are playing well and not give the coach of the defense any of the credit for how well they've played most games.  

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, Jet Nut said:

Hes coaching the youngest team in the NFL, average of 25 years old and being led by a rookie QB.  

I dont think that this Jets team has better talent translates to wins and losses at this point.  Or that you can look at all the young defensive players who are playing well and not give the coach of the defense any of the credit for how well they've played most games.  

The thing is that Saleh isn’t the coach of the defense.

[Maxman]

6 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

@Maxman please put this on the main page and post it on the JN twitter handle!

Done, well partly done. 

 

 

[Jet Nut]

9 hours ago, T0mShane said:

The thing is that Saleh isn’t the coach of the defense.

Its his D and hes in on it though

I'll stil stuck with no pone is going to go after him this season.  Joe Judge is having a disappointing 2nd season both his  offense and his defense which was supposed to be the strength go the team are bad, really bad and no one is calling for his head or question his ability to be a good coach yet

[derp]

10 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Jets fans are going to have a short fuse because—while it’s Saleh’s first year—it’s Year Three of the Douglas rebuild. Fair or not, Saleh has to be better than Gase was and he simply hasn’t been, so it’s just one continuous blob of failure and the natives are going to get restless. Saleh isn’t without blame, either. He’s the mush running the stadium steps for photo ops and putting everyone in t-shirts that say “All Gas, No Brake” right before they get rolled by Matt Ryan and Teddy Bridgewater. It’s going to get late very early for Saleh if Wilson continues to suck. And if Wilson gets hurt at any point? The Mike White Era will make the Luke Falk Era look like the Ming Dynasty by comparison. 

There were a lot of things wrong with Gase, but I think a major distinction between him and Saleh thus far is - in the simplest way I can put it - Frank Gore.

He was pretty clear from the jump that he’d let young guys play through mistakes and things were going to get ugly early. I question the logic of that in some cases (rookie QB), but I think it’s the right approach with this young, cheaply cobbled together defense and hopefully it pays dividends.

As mediocre as the defense has looked, and they’re not getting completely rolled, they’ve got a high draft pick and an expensive FA signing from the prior era starting and then a bunch of young scrap heap guys. First and second year fifth and sixth round picks at the top three corner spots, a waiver pickup and a rookie fifth round pick are the two non Mosley linebackers, second year UDFA and a waiver pickup starting at DE…it’s a far cry from the mind boggling investments in 3-4 DE’s and off ball linebackers on defenses that also needed two lockdown corners to function.

[Warfish]

14 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

We can't do anythijng about his small sample.

Sure you can. 

You can simply factor that in to any evaluation of his statistics, with an understanding that small sample sized lead to outsized statistical variances that may not mean as much as some think.  

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But we can take an honest look at Mims when he's on the field and at his productivity and determine he belongs out there, especially when compared to the slapd*ck receivers we've been sending out there lately. 

I will answer this by quoting you:  That's up to the coaches.  Very clearly they don't see it as you do.

And their jobs ultimately are on the line, so they have alot more invested in this decision than you do, I am sure you will admit.

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Corey Davis has a much larger sample size over his career and 2021 season.  What has he done to demonstrate he deserves 5x as many snaps and more than twice as many targets as Mims got last week?

He was a #1 pick talent, and has put up two 65 catch, ~900 yard seasons with 4+ TD's.  

Witch is ~3x anything Mims has produced to-date.

If you recall, I was not a fan of Davis being our #1 when we acquired him, I think he's a very good #2 but a subpar #1.

And I don't disagree, Mims likely should see more time.  

But the hyperbole over Mims is reaching a hysterical point.  The cited Mims stats referenced to which I responded are a clear-cut instance of the cognitive bias surrounding small sample sizes and outsized stats.  Those stats do not make him great, they make him a player with very few catches, but long catches in those few.  That's all.

[The Crusher]

11 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Jets fans are going to have a short fuse because—while it’s Saleh’s first year—it’s Year Three of the Douglas rebuild. Fair or not, Saleh has to be better than Gase was and he simply hasn’t been, so it’s just one continuous blob of failure and the natives are going to get restless. Saleh isn’t without blame, either. He’s the mush running the stadium steps for photo ops and putting everyone in t-shirts that say “All Gas, No Brake” right before they get rolled by Matt Ryan and Teddy Bridgewater. It’s going to get late very early for Saleh if Wilson continues to suck. And if Wilson gets hurt at any point? The Mike White Era will make the Luke Falk Era look like the Ming Dynasty by comparison. 

Just like Todd Bowles he will  go win a Super Bowl with an actual NFL franchise someplace as a DC. We will have another HC and QB that will save this franchise. Can Wait!

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

I will answer this by quoting you:  That's up to the coaches.  Very clearly they don't see it as you do.

Oh FFS.  Yes.  That's what we're talking about.  That the coaches are wrong about this one.  Guess we should shut down half the topics on the board at the moment and just trust the coaches, eh?

Every coaching staff that comes through here we're told "just trust the coaches, they know what they're doing" and at every turn with this garbage franchise that's proven to be incorrect. 

And I'm not even the type of fan constantly blaming coaches.  The bigger problem with this franchise has always been a lack of talent.  But this is one glaring error being made that seems to have a lot to do with this coaching staff's philosophy:  They don't seem to have much use for a 6-3 receiver with very good hands in this system and aren't adapting to make use of him.  

I'm not saying I know anything but this is a message board where we discuss what's wrong with the Jets, and that's one thing that's wrong with them:  The receivers that were supposed to be decent kind of suck, and one receiver that is pretty decent isn't seeing the field.  

[jgb]

3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Oh FFS.  Yes.  That's what we're talking about.  That the coaches are wrong about this one.  Guess we should shut down half the topics on the board at the moment and just trust the coaches, eh?

Every coaching staff that comes through here we're told "just trust the coaches, they know what they're doing" and at every turn with this garbage franchise that's proven to be incorrect. 

And I'm not even the type of fan constantly blaming coaches.  The bigger problem with this franchise has always been a lack of talent.  But this is one glaring error being made that seems to have a lot to do with this coaching staff's philosophy:  They don't seem to have much use for a 6-3 receiver with very good hands in this system and aren't adapting to make use of him.  

I'm not saying I know anything but this is a message board where we discuss what's wrong with the Jets, and that's one thing that's wrong with them:  The receivers that were supposed to be decent kind of suck, and one receiver that is pretty decent isn't seeing the field.  

The sample size arguments are indeed valid but isn't it obvious that the coaches should probably challenge their opinion on this and test his ability to produce with more PT? The smartest people always accept there is a chance they are wrong.

[varjet]

Think about guys like Kevin White, Breshard Perriman, even Stephen Hill.  Guys that physically looked like NFL WRs but could not put all the pieces together.   Showed some flashes, but not consistent top players.  

Mims is feeling like the same kind of player, which is why he slid and why it may be frustrating that JD caught the falling knife in the bottom of the second round after trading down. 

We have over 2.5 years to try and find a way to coach this guy to be at least somewhat useful.  

[Warfish]

28 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Oh FFS.  Yes.  That's what we're talking about.  That the coaches are wrong about this one.  Guess we should shut down half the topics on the board at the moment and just trust the coaches, eh?

No, we shouldn't shut down any topics.  I'd be the last person to suggest that.

28 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Every coaching staff that comes through here we're told "just trust the coaches, they know what they're doing" and at every turn with this garbage franchise that's proven to be incorrect.

Sadly all too true.

28 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

And I'm not even the type of fan constantly blaming coaches.  The bigger problem with this franchise has always been a lack of talent.  But this is one glaring error being made that seems to have a lot to do with this coaching staff's philosophy:  They don't seem to have much use for a 6-3 receiver with very good hands in this system and aren't adapting to make use of him.  

I'm not saying I know anything but this is a message board where we discuss what's wrong with the Jets, and that's one thing that's wrong with them:  The receivers that were supposed to be decent kind of suck, and one receiver that is pretty decent isn't seeing the field.  

And I'll keep bringing it back to what I actually responded to: the outsized stats for Mims as an argument for Mims playing.  You keep seeming to want to broaden this beyond what I actually said.  My point remains that those stats are not as meaningful, this year or last year, as some seem to think.  And I explained directly why that is, supporting it with generally accepted statistical analysis logic.

I've also repeatedly said that I agree Mims likely warrants more play. 

So maybe at this point I'm not sure exactly what you're in disagreement with me on, unless you disagree about the validity of the concept of the cognitive bias of small numbers samples.  /shrug

[sec101row23]

Now that Denzel has been freed, it’s to feed Denzel.  
 

 

 

[Jetsfan80]

4 minutes ago, Warfish said:

No, we shouldn't shut down any topics.  I'd be the last person to suggest that.

Sadly all too true.

And I'll keep bringing it back to what I actually responded to: the outsized stats for Mims as an argument for Mims playing.  You keep seeming to want to broaden this beyond what I actually said.  My point remains that those stats are not as meaningful, this year or last year, as some seem to think.  And I explained directly why that is, supporting it with generally accepted statistical analysis logic.

I've also repeatedly said that I agree Mims likely warrants more play. 

So maybe at this point I'm not sure exactly what you're in disagreement with me on, unless you disagree about the validity of the concept of the cognitive bias of small numbers samples.  /shrug

 

I think you and I just like to argue with each other for the sake of arguing at this point.  We bicker like an old married couple.

*** Places sheet over sleeping Warfish on couch.  Sighs. ***

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, sec101row23 said:

Now that Denzel has been freed, it’s to feed Denzel.  
 

 

 

 

Woah let's not get ahead of ourselves.  Coaching staff might be f**king with us by throwing Mims a bone last week.  Coming out of the bye there's still a chance he gets deactivated in Week 7.

[Augustiniak]

7 minutes ago, Warfish said:

No, we shouldn't shut down any topics.  I'd be the last person to suggest that.

Sadly all too true.

And I'll keep bringing it back to what I actually responded to: the outsized stats for Mims as an argument for Mims playing.  You keep seeming to want to broaden this beyond what I actually said.  My point remains that those stats are not as meaningful, this year or last year, as some seem to think.  And I explained directly why that is, supporting it with generally accepted statistical analysis logic.

I've also repeatedly said that I agree Mims likely warrants more play. 

So maybe at this point I'm not sure exactly what you're in disagreement with me on, unless you disagree about the validity of the concept of the cognitive bias of small numbers samples.  /shrug

They are meaningful.  He averaged 15.5 ypc last year on 23 catches.  He averaged 15.7 ypc in college.  There’s enough credibility in the data that mims is a big play guy. As an actuary, i am confident in the reliability of the data here.

[Biggs]

34 minutes ago, jgb said:

The sample size arguments are indeed valid but isn't it obvious that the coaches should probably challenge their opinion on this and test his ability to produce with more PT? The smartest people always accept there is a chance they are wrong.

Lets examine the sample size argument.  The Jets O sucks with Mims on the bench.  We have a reasonable sample size to say that.  The stats, the anayltics and the eye test are all in agreement.  The Jets O sucks donkey balls.  

Why not get a larger sample size on Mims.  It seems like the worst case scenario is Mims stats revert to a norm that's something resembling sucks donkey balls.  

[jgb]

1 minute ago, Biggs said:

Lets examine the sample size argument.  The Jets O sucks with Mims on the bench.  We have a reasonable sample size to say that.  The stats, the anayltics and the eye test are all in agreement.  The Jets O sucks donkey balls.  

Why not get a larger sample size on Mims.  It seems like the worst case scenario is Mims stats revert to a norm that's something resembling sucks donkey balls.  

Agree. No reason not to get a larger sample size. Not like we are benching Justin Jefferson for Mims to dress/play.

[Joe W. Namath]

Mimsy was a great pick by Joe Douglas.  The more comfortable he becomes with this offense, the better he is going to be.  You could see last game he is starting to play more and had 2 nice catches.  

He will start playing more and more each week and is going to be a stud for us before this season is through.

Thank you Joe Douglas!  Thank you!!

[Barry McCockinner]

Jakobi Meyers had the highest passer rating in the NFL last year.

[Fantasy Island]

23 hours ago, Augustiniak said:

It’s pretty simple, mims is an easy guy to find on the field.  It’s not a coincidence that wilson is finding him much easier than moore.