playtowinthegame Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 7 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: You are literally the only person to say this was a tanking season It's only a tank season if the Jets are doing bad, then that was the plan all along. Sorta like this is now year 1 for Douglas because he's drafting for Robert Saleh defense and Opie's offense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: A 5th round pick is an asset technically. But it’s like the collector card in your house worth 500 bucks not your house 12 minutes ago, undertow said: Why would we be giving up assets for a TE over 30 who's a rental? Are we making a SB push or something? lol We have 11 draft picks next year (maybe more if Maye gets traded). We could use a competent TE to help Wilson develop. Even if it is just a rental. Winning games may not be that important, but Wilson getting better and gaining confidence is very important. More important than 1 of 11 draft picks IMO. Ertz is infinitely better than the crap we have now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 52 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: Of course... I mean not like we need a tight end or anything, we solid....cool cool Yes, because every move that happens in the NFL correlates to it being an error that our GM didn't make said move. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, undertow said: Yeah I'm not obsessed with late round picks but trading for players who are rentals during the season makes no sense for the Jets...the proper criticism would be why did we go into the season with this roster in the first place when we have a rookie QB and plenty of cap space? There was never a plan to compete in 2021, and I thought that it was made pretty clear by the lack of big splash signings. 2021 is about developing the youngest football team in the league for the future. I do agree that JD could have done a better job with providing tools for Wilson to develop. Not securing a safety valve TE is without a doubt a failure on JD's part. Kroft and Griffin are good 3rd TEs. Neither are anywhere close to being a number one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Maxman Posted October 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 15, 2021 I love Ertz but the Jets shouldn't be making mid season trades for 31 year old tight ends right now. Nothing to see here. 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 This is what teams do that are trying to make a playoff run. Make the playoffs and win at least one game. You don’t get there unless you reach and are aggressive. If you overreach and are over aggressive, you blow your roster up and then stink. See Jets 2011-2021. If you don’t you end up like the Colts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undertow Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: There was never a plan to compete in 2021, and I thought that it was made pretty clear by the lack of big splash signings. 2021 is about developing the youngest football team in the league for the future. I do agree that JD could have done a better job with providing tools for Wilson to develop. Not securing a safety valve TE is without a doubt a failure on JD's part. Kroft and Griffin are good 3rd TEs. Neither are anywhere close to being a number one. Yeah I understand this year wasn't about winning games but I think JD went into the season short in a few areas that you may want talent at when your developing a young QB...TE, Center, and Guard. Making moves now makes no sense but going into the season weak at those positions deserves criticism IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 I would have liked a trade for Ertz but I’m not going to jump on Douglas for not making the trade giving Ertz’ age. Now go get Njoku and OJ Howard if each are available. We’re running two TE sets with Kroft and Griffin. Zach will develop easier/smoother with better weapons. Especially when our OC is forcing the use of TEs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jgb Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 40 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: Ouch. I thought that Jonnu would have at least been good for a TD a game going into the season. I'm also surprised was very excited when he was traded. I got him on the waiver his rookie year IIRC. The "problem" is I haven't had a high draft pick in many years due to usually making the playoffs. In reality our league is unlimited keeper, not really dynasty. So each keeper takes away a pick starting with first round and no dedicated rookie draft. I don't think I've had a pick within the first 15 rounds for 4-5 years. Makes it hard to reload. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wit Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 At this point in the season, knowing we won’t make the playoffs, makes no sense to trade for a playoff push type player. Trade for O line to protect Zach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 hour ago, heymangold said: Tbh I’m not giving up a player and a pick for Zach ertz. While I want a TE, that’s not smart for the rebuilding jets. It’s not about rebuilding the Jets as it’s about allowing Zach the chance to play with with a somewhat complete offense as he attempts to learn to play at the NFL level. This year is all about his developmental 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 hour ago, dcJet said: Can he play Sunday? Good question. I think that's why they made this deal today so quickly after last night's game. I have to assume he'd be able to. But of course it's not wise to play someone twice in 4 days, and even if he did, he probably wouldn't play much as he learns the playbook and such. If he doesn't suit up this also still gives him a long week of preparation for Arizona's next game the following week. EDIT: 1 hour ago, Lith said: No. Ah well that settles that. Still, my 2nd point stands: Now he gets 9 days to prepare for AZ's next game. He may well play a big role in the offense right out of the gates in Week 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 hour ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: This pleases me for one reason. I picked him up on my fantasy team because Goedert got the Rona. Now I have Ertz on my bench and Goedert standing on an Island in Philly. Ooh that's nice. They're both gonna be top 5 or so plays in fantasy going forward. I just traded for Kyler Murray earlier in the week, and already had him in my other money league too, so that'll help his fantasy stock a bit too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: Ooh that's nice. They're both gonna be top 5 or so plays in fantasy going forward. I just traded for Kyler Murray earlier in the week, and already had him in my other money league too, so that'll help his fantasy stock a bit too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 hour ago, playtowinthegame said: Sleepy Joe Douglas misses again! All joking aside I'm sure Roseman really likes Zach Ertz and wanted to trade him to a contending team instead of a rebuilding team. Trading Ertz to the Jets would have been cruel at this point in his career. And there's little chance Ertz would have re-signed here. An aging 12-game rental TE is not an ideal pickup for a 1-4 team... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 43 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: We have 11 draft picks next year (maybe more if Maye gets traded). We could use a competent TE to help Wilson develop. Even if it is just a rental. Winning games may not be that important, but Wilson getting better and gaining confidence is very important. More important than 1 of 11 draft picks IMO. Ertz is infinitely better than the crap we have now. Well luckily Ertz isn't the only TE who may potentially be on the trade market. I'm definitely on board with trading Maye for whatever we can get, then going after an alternative option at TE. If Douglas makes zero moves for any TE's I might be right there with you guys. But Ertz was not the one to get. Either way I expect TE to be a high pick in the '22 draft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 39 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said: Yes, because every move that happens in the NFL correlates to it being an error that our GM didn't make said move. My take is in a league where sucking is profitible some GM's are still trying to improver their team on a relative basis. Our GM isn't. This is just one of many examples. It's more of a macro vs micro correlation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Wilson has nobody to throw the ball to, essentially. Trading for a guy like Ertz would have been a good move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 27 minutes ago, undertow said: Yeah I understand this year wasn't about winning games but I think JD went into the season short in a few areas that you may want talent at when your developing a young QB...TE, Center, and Guard. Making moves now makes no sense but going into the season weak at those positions deserves criticism IMO. I am on team JD, but he deserves much of the criticism that he gets. When he signed Moses, he shored up the tackle position. He sh*t the bed on C, RG, and TE. Signing Feeney as some kind of solution was a head scratcher. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: I am on team JD, but he deserves much of the criticism that he gets. When he signed Moses, he shored up the tackle position. He sh*t the bed on C, RG, and TE. Signing Feeney as some kind of solution was a head scratcher. At least AVT looks like a player. If not that would have been, potentially, a fireable decision on its own. We gave up a sh*t-ton to move up, and AVT needs to be a top 5 or so G in the league for that trade to have been worthwhile. I was really hoping for McGovern to return to being a top 10-12 C like he was in Denver but it hasn't happened. No idea why he's been so bad the last 1.5 seasons. If he's going to work out, we'll need to draft a C high and move McGovern to RG. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 36 minutes ago, Maxman said: I love Ertz but the Jets shouldn't be making mid season trades for 31 year old tight ends right now. Nothing to see here. I was surprised Ertz is only about to turn 31. Feels like he's been in the league 15 years. 10 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Good question. I think that's why they made this deal today so quickly after last night's game. I have to assume he'd be able to. But of course it's not wise to play someone twice in 4 days, and even if he did, he probably wouldn't play much as he learns the playbook and such. If he doesn't suit up this also still gives him a long week of preparation for Arizona's next game the following week. EDIT: Ah well that settles that. Still, my 2nd point stands: Now he gets 9 days to prepare for AZ's next game. He may well play a big role in the offense right out of the gates in Week 7. Who gets more snaps this week? Ertz after being on a team 3 days or Mims? 3 minutes ago, Biggs said: My take is in a league where sucking is profitible some GM's are still trying to improver their team on a relative basis. Our GM isn't. This is just one of many examples. It's more of a macro vs micro correlation. It's impossible to fail financially as an NFL owner. A cheap loser is more profitable than an expensive winner. That's why you need a owner so obscenely wealthy that a winning team is an ego trip for him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 We keep saying oh he's older/has lost a step etc etc. Well, you are gonna have guys like that on your team and that's OK if they are still productive. Instead we have never-was guys like Griffin and Kroft. Superbowl champions have plenty of past their prime guys who are still productive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 hour ago, kevinc855 said: This is what I don’t get. The GM staked his career on Wilson. He looks like trash so far. Wouldn’t You want to get him some weapons and help for his development in his rookie year? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 minute ago, jgb said: Who gets more snaps this week? Ertz after being on a team 3 days or Mims? Apparently he's ineligible to play this week. We need to send a memo to the league office: "FREE ERTZ" @The Crusher 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 hour ago, kevinc855 said: This is what I don’t get. The GM staked his career on Wilson. He looks like trash so far. Wouldn’t You want to get him some weapons and help for his development in his rookie year? Apparently not Won’t stop him from throwing at said weaponz feet. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, Barton said: We keep saying oh he's older/has lost a step etc etc. Well, you are gonna have guys like that on your team and that's OK if they are still productive. Instead we have never-was guys like Griffin and Kroft. Superbowl champions have plenty of past their prime guys who are still productive. I don't mind so much that he's old. I mind that he's on an expiring contract and would have had zero interest in re-signing here. Arizona probably only made this move with the knowledge that there's a decent chance he's playing for them thru 2022. Even as a contender I doubt they were looking at Ertz as purely a rental. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Just now, Jetsfan80 said: Apparently he's ineligible to play this week. We need to send a memo to the league office: "FREE ERTZ" @The Crusher Yeah, I can see why that would be against CBA. Imagine a player traded 3 times in one week playing Monday-Thurs-Sunday-Monday 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Barton said: Wilson has nobody to throw the ball to, essentially. Trading for a guy like Ertz would have been a good move. Our TE group may be bottom of the barrel, but they aren't exactly nobody to throw to. Zach has been leaving divots at the feet of his receivers, at times, at not even Gronk with gloves loaded with Stickum could catch those balls. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 11 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: And there's little chance Ertz would have re-signed here. An aging 12-game rental TE is not an ideal pickup for a 1-4 team... Be like… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 minute ago, jgb said: Yeah, I can see why that would be against CBA. Imagine a player traded 3 times in one week playing Monday-Thurs-Sunday-Monday NFL's perspective on Thursday night football, with teams playing twice in 5 days: "Totally fine! We're doing it and you're all gonna just have to adjust accordingly." NFL's perspective on a player traded after a Thursday game and playing twice in 4 days: "No go guys, we have to look out for player safety here." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: NFL's perspective on a player traded after a Thursday game and playing twice in 4 days: "No go guys, we have to look out for player safety here." I am guessing it is a CBA thing where a player would have to play twice in one week. They are paid to play 17 games - if Ertz played an extra game, what would impact be on his comepnsation. Although I guess they have the same issue if a player gets traded from a team that has not had its bye week to a team that has already had bye week -- he plays an extra game, although not necessarily in the same week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 hour ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: This pleases me for one reason. I picked him up on my fantasy team because Goedert got the Rona. Now I have Ertz on my bench and Goedert standing on an Island in Philly. Same here. And I have Kittle chilling in the IR spot. Not sure who to trade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, Lith said: I am guessing it is a CBA thing where a player would have to play twice in one week. They are paid to play 17 games - if Ertz played an extra game, what would impact be on his comepnsation. Although I guess they have the same issue if a player gets traded from a team that has not had its bye week to a team that has already had bye week -- he plays an extra game, although not necessarily in the same week. I think in such cases the player can play an extra game. I think that's been relevant in fantasy a couple times over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 9 minutes ago, Lith said: I am guessing it is a CBA thing where a player would have to play twice in one week. They are paid to play 17 games - if Ertz played an extra game, what would impact be on his comepnsation. Although I guess they have the same issue if a player gets traded from a team that has not had its bye week to a team that has already had bye week -- he plays an extra game, although not necessarily in the same week. I believe this happened before.. I'm not sure who. I don't know if the player ended up playing 18 games (might have gotten hurt or whatever) but the potential was there for it to happen. ***EDIT*** It's happened to a player 8 times, most recently in 2019, and the list includes 2 former Jets: https://sports.yahoo.com/eight-players-have-already-played-a-17-game-nfl-season-one-is-jerry-rice-and-the-others-160037234.html Emmanuel Sanders - 2019 (DEN/SF) NT Damon Harrison - 2018 (NYG/DET) S Will Allen - 2013 (DAL/PIT) LB Will Witherspoon - 2009 (STL/PHI) Jerry Rice - 2004 (OAK/SEA) WR Micah Ross - 2004 (CAR/SD) RB Dexter Carter - 1995 (NYJ/SF) LB Chris Singleton - 1993 (NE/MIA) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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