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On 10/20/2021 at 10:42 AM, TokyoJetsFan said:

This is true, but we didn’t have to build an 82,500 seat stadium just to sell more PSLs. The original plan was 60,000 I believe. The Raiders capacity at their new stadium is 65,500. Rams/Chargers 70,000. With 60,000 vs 82,500 you could have the stands closer to the field and an intimidating, crazy loud and fun environment. They would have made more money this way vs 15k empty upper deck seats.  Anyway could they build where the Nets arena is? No. Could they have explored other parts of Brooklyn or Queens for a 60k capacity stadium? Yes. 

Here's the catch, everyone thinks a smaller stadium built in NY would have guaranteed a true home filed advantage. Those days are over, legal ticket resale opened that pandora's box and its never going back.  The high prices of tickets ensures that a fairly decent % of tickets each game will be sold to opposing fans. The only thing that will tilt the balance some what is a winning team but even that drives up profitabillity for resale which will start tempting the more loyal fanbase. 

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59 minutes ago, Biggs said:

You can build a 60,000 seat stadium an a much steeper angle and that puts the fans closer to the action.  The problem with Met life is the good seats suck compared ot most NFL stadiums.    It's a  dump in a swamp off the Jersey turnpike.   It's an embarrassment and the two teams that play their are a reflection of the dump.  

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The only seats that suck in MetLife are the upper deck seats and, well, you get what you pay for.  Look closely,  the LL is the same as in Giants Stadium, the Mezzanine expanded in size but the lower rows are the same distance from the field.  It's the upper deck that sits atop the luxury suites that is the only compromise in views.

As for size, take the upper deck off of MetLife and we essentially have Lumen Field in Seattle.  I love my views in the Mezzanine corner.  I've sat in the Lower Levels and in the Mezzanine Club's, the views are excellent.

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2 minutes ago, SAR I said:

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The only seats that suck in MetLife are the upper deck seats and, well, you get what you pay for.  Look closely,  the LL is the same as in Giants Stadium, the Mezzanine expanded in size but the lower rows are the same distance from the field.  It's the upper deck that sits atop the luxury suites that is the only compromise in views.

As for size, take the upper deck off of MetLife and we essentially have Lumen Field in Seattle.  I love my views in the Mezzanine corner.  I've sat in the Lower Levels and in the Mezzanine Club's, the views are excellent.

SAR I

Disagree.  I have gone to Met life several times.  Alwasy sat between the 40's 5 to 20 rows from the field.  It sucks.  They pulled the good seats back from the field on a low angle to allow for the additional seats in the 2 upper decks.   

And the parking sucks also.  

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1 hour ago, DJF71 said:

Why would anyone want to waste their money building a stadium for a garbage team?

Whether garbage or elite, the NFL isn't a priority for Manhattan and Manhattan isn't a priority for the NFL so it's not going to happen.  The Jets and Giants are Top 5 in the NFL in attendance the last decade and we both suck.  No one is unhappy with the stadium or its location.  It's a non-issue. 

Hell, it was a non-issue when it was announced.  In 2005 they held a rally in Queens with a whole "Bring The Jets Back Home" campaign and the press and t-shirts and no one showed up.  It was just was Fireman Ed, a bunch of reporters, and a hot dog cart operator.  

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12 minutes ago, Biggs said:

Disagree.  I have gone to Met life several times.  Alwasy sat between the 40's 5 to 20 rows from the field.  It sucks.  They pulled the good seats back from the field on a low angle to allow for the additional seats in the 2 upper decks.   

And the parking sucks also.  

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It's just not true.  Look at the lower level section of seats right on the 30 yard line in both photos.  If anything, MetLife has more of a steep pitch than Giants Stadium had.  Mezzanine is a bit back and up, but just a bit.  It's the upper deck that got hit hard, its about a 3 or 4 story building higher than in Giants Stadium.

You've got 60,000 seats that are the equivalent of what we had and 22,000 seats that aren't.  The views are fine from the LL and the Mezz.  Plenty of great seats available starting next Sunday for prices as low as $50, no one should be unhappy.

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29 minutes ago, SAR I said:

Hell, it was a non-issue when it was announced.  In 2005 they held a rally in Queens with a whole "Bring The Jets Back Home" campaign and the press and t-shirts and no one showed up.  It was just was Fireman Ed, a bunch of reporters, and a hot dog cart operator.  

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I think the hot dog guy put his kid through college because of that day. 

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8 minutes ago, SAR I said:

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It's just not true.  Look at the lower level section of seats right on the 30 yard line in both photos.  If anything, MetLife has more of a steep pitch than Giants Stadium had.  Mezzanine is a bit back and up, but just a bit.  It's the upper deck that got hit hard, its about a 3 or 4 story building higher than in Giants Stadium.

You've got 60,000 seats that are the equivalent of what we had and 22,000 seats that aren't.  The views are fine from the LL and the Mezz.  Plenty of great seats available starting next Sunday for prices as low as $50, no one should be unhappy.

SAR I

It's further back from the field with a lower pitch.  I've been to several NFL stadiums the only stadium worse than Met Life right now is FedEx field.  It's an improvement on Shea and Candlestick I'll give you that.  It's worse than the old Giant stadium. 

 

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10 minutes ago, SAR I said:

Those 8 people must have been really hungry.  

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Jay Cross asked us on an August Friday if we could throw a rally for Tuesday afternoon in Kew Gardens. We had about 40+ there. It was a pretty good showing all things considered. 

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Citifield isn't in the same league as Yankee Stadium.  Yankee stadium is beautiful and you can see the action on the entire field from any seat.  You can't see balls hit into the right field corner of Citi Field if you're sitting in good seats on the first base line.  It's a turd meant to be a tribute to the Brooklyn Dodgers who sold out Brooklyn for greener pastures.  
PS the parking sucks balls.  


The New Yankee Stadium is the MLB Metlife


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11 hours ago, Randy Rasmussen said:

 


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 Not even close.  It’s beautiful with great site lines.  It serves the high rent crowd with great luxury amenities.  The parking is decent.  The product on the field is usually decent.  The staff is well trained.  
 

baseballs problem is the turned a two hour game into a 4 hour game.  

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13 hours ago, y2k8 said:

I sort of had to be... although I knew they were using us and didn't want to do it. 

The things that you don't know about that time ...

I apologize, didn't realize you were one of the organizers.  Must have been an effort to try to pull that off.

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1 hour ago, SAR I said:

I apologize, didn't realize you were one of the organizers.  Must have been an effort to try to pull that off.

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No need to apologize.. it was the last thing we did, and not nearly as cool as the stuff we pulled off in 1999/2000 when the team went up for sale. We once had a rally at Mulchay's on Long Island that was truly impressive, hundreds of fans, tv crews, the whole nine.

The original mission was to secure a commitment from the new owner to return the team to New York. The Jets brass at the time hated us. We were a real thorn in their side - blocked us from getting on WFAN and few other things. Once Woody bought the team and committed to the WSS, we thought we were done.

But a few years later, to our shock, Cross brought us into HQ and asked us to help the people in Manhattan do something similar to what we did. We did what we could, and as cool as it was to work with them, it was never as fun as when we were outlaws doing true grass roots stuff. 

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On 10/19/2021 at 3:35 PM, SAR I said:

Those screaming for a sexier stadium wear the same pair of underwear for a week and haven't bought a new car in a decade, they're the last people who should be commenting on style.  And they wouldn't know a nice stadium from a dump anyway as they are too drunk to know the difference, and would piss on Michelangelo's David if it let them get back to the beer line faster than a port-o-potty 10 feet away.

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This sounds so much like a business owner who has disdain for their customers and is in a business where the customers really doesn't impact the bottom line.   The Jets and the Giants as a football product on the feild suck.  The Jets and the Giants share a stadium that the owners agreed to build.  From a design perspective it sucks on a comparative basis.  The Jets uniform also sucks on a comparative basis.  

The 3 things the uniform, stadium and team performance have in common is focus on customer satisfaction and attention to details.   

There's a reason you and I probably both have an I phone.  Steve Jobs beat the living crap out of his employees to pay attention to details.  I know you're a Yankee fan.  Steinbrener for all of his antics payed attention to details.  Details matter including good design and ease of use.  

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1 hour ago, Biggs said:

This sounds so much like a business owner who has disdain for their customers and is in a business where the customers really doesn't impact the bottom line.   The Jets and the Giants as a football product on the feild suck.  The Jets and the Giants share a stadium that the owners agreed to build.  From a design perspective it sucks on a comparative basis.  The Jets uniform also sucks on a comparative basis.  

The 3 things the uniform, stadium and team performance have in common is focus on customer satisfaction and attention to details.   

There's a reason you and I probably both have an I phone.  Steve Jobs beat the living crap out of his employees to pay attention to details.  I know you're a Yankee fan.  Steinbrener for all of his antics payed attention to details.  Details matter including good design and ease of use.  

For the few that make the trip to Foxboro, what ever else you think about Kraft and the Pats, a lot of thought went into Patriots Place. It's a nice stadium, and it's surrounded by lots of great restaurants, bars, hotels. Has big advantage that it was in the middle of nowhere, but still, they did a lot of planning.  Easy to drive to, easy to get an Uber. By contrast, despite having a track with a sports book and a mall on either side of it, none of those things are integrated with the stadium or each other  at the Meadowlands. Xanadu and the stadium are actually antagonistic. 

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On 10/19/2021 at 4:37 PM, 32EBoozer said:

Silver Avoids Jail  . . .  Did Anyone Expect Him to Be Lock Up?

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Sheldon Silver avoids jail for at least another year (NYP) Crooked former Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver caught the break of a lifetime Thursday when a judge ruled that he can stay out of prison while he appeals — likely buying him at least another year of freedom. The powerful puppet master, who used his position to swindle $5.4 million in kickbacks and bribes, was supposed to surrender Wednesday to begin serving his 12-year sentence.
But Manhattan federal Judge Valerie Caproni, who presided over Silver’s trial, instead granted the Manhattan Democrat’s request that he remain free on bail.*

Democrats..

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Biggs said:

This sounds so much like a business owner who has disdain for their customers and is in a business where the customers really doesn't impact the bottom line.   The Jets and the Giants as a football product on the feild suck.  The Jets and the Giants share a stadium that the owners agreed to build.  From a design perspective it sucks on a comparative basis.  The Jets uniform also sucks on a comparative basis.  

The 3 things the uniform, stadium and team performance have in common is focus on customer satisfaction and attention to details.   

There's a reason you and I probably both have an I phone.  Steve Jobs beat the living crap out of his employees to pay attention to details.  I know you're a Yankee fan.  Steinbrener for all of his antics payed attention to details.  Details matter including good design and ease of use.  

I agree, but I like MetLife Stadium.  It's just fine.  I get in/out quickly.  The views from my seats are great.  The people who sit next to me are my friends.  I never wait on a line for food or the bathrooms.  It's clean.  It's safe.  That's all a stadium needs to be.  The color of a plastic seat never won a football game.

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