Not Giving up on Wilson But Fields Looks Pretty Good...

[More Cowbell]

6 hours ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

Yes.  The entire game.  Lawrence did not throw a game-winning TD pass. He threw a TD pass to Marvin Jones in the 3rd quarter that was a well thrown ball, but Jones made a great catch.  I've seen many TD passes like that one every week.  It was not a once in a lifetime throw as stated in your post.  And it did not win the game.  It gave the Jaguars a 17-13 lead in the 3rd quarter.  

I didn't  say game winning TD

 The pass he made with 3 seconds on the clock to set up the FG was what I was talking about. That pass was what won it IMO. Sure the kicker needed to make the FG but he made that happen with almost no time left. 

[ScarletKnight89]

I wasn't very impressed with Fields at all. He's got potential just like all the other young QBs, but he didn't blow me away with anything he did yesterday. 

[JustInFudge]

His downfield accuracy is ridiculous.  It's already elite.  His ability to drop it in the bucket is stupid good.  Makes all the simple stuff, look, well simple.   Kid looks really good.  He's going to be a star in this league.  I think the most impressive part of Justin Fields is that he's stepping in like this while taking 2nd string reps up until a month ago.  You can see now that he's getting the majority of them, that's just getting better and better.  Kid is going to be stupid good in this league. 

But it's cool, Zach Wilson is awesome! So no harm, no foul. 

 

[The Crusher]

7 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

His downfield accuracy is ridiculous.  It's already elite.  His ability to drop it in the bucket is stupid good.  Makes all the simple stuff, look, well simple.   Kid looks really good.  He's going to be a star in this league.  I think the most impressive part of Justin Fields is that he's stepping in like this while taking 2nd string reps up until a month ago.  You can see now that he's getting the majority of them, that's just getting better and better.  Kid is going to be stupid good in this league. 

But it's cool, Zach Wilson is awesome! So no harm, no foul. 

 

Man, this must be like the DeShaun Watson thing all over for you again minus the silly radar gun. I’m like literally bottom 10% of college football acumen on this board but after reading that stuff from the draft forum @win4ever posted and listening to you closely, intimately while naked, even I saw that he’s likely going to be a very good to great one. Sadly the shortcomings the two of you pointed out on Zach are on full display in the NFL. Here for you Boo Boo! 

[sec101row23]

2 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

His downfield accuracy is ridiculous.  It's already elite.  His ability to drop it in the bucket is stupid good.  Makes all the simple stuff, look, well simple.   Kid looks really good.  He's going to be a star in this league.  I think the most impressive part of Justin Fields is that he's stepping in like this while taking 2nd string reps up until a month ago.  You can see now that he's getting the majority of them, that's just getting better and better.  Kid is going to be stupid good in this league. 

But it's cool, Zach Wilson is awesome! So no harm, no foul. 

 

Of all the rookie QBs that are playing right now, Zach was the only one who was anointed the starter before training camp even began.   He was QB1 from day one.   All the other rookies went through some sort of competition and rep splitting through camp and Pre season.  Now that some of these guys are now starting and getting the QB1 reps, they are showing growth.  Fields is getting comfortable, Trevor is starting to do his thing now and looks really good, even Davis Mills has looked decent.   Hopefully Zach shows some growth against the Pats, he should, NE defense isn’t great and they are playing them for the second time this season.  

[Matt39]

18 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

His downfield accuracy is ridiculous.  It's already elite.  His ability to drop it in the bucket is stupid good.  Makes all the simple stuff, look, well simple.   Kid looks really good.  He's going to be a star in this league.  I think the most impressive part of Justin Fields is that he's stepping in like this while taking 2nd string reps up until a month ago.  You can see now that he's getting the majority of them, that's just getting better and better.  Kid is going to be stupid good in this league. 

But it's cool, Zach Wilson is awesome! So no harm, no foul. 

 

We’re not watching the same player. Fields shouldnt be playing over Dalton.

[JustInFudge]

7 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

We’re not watching the same player. Fields shouldnt be playing over Dalton.

Yeah, I guess not, I see a kid is balling out on one of the worst offenses in the NFL w/ limited starter reps. 

[JustInFudge]

14 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

Of all the rookie QBs that are playing right now, Zach was the only one who was anointed the starter before training camp even began.   He was QB1 from day one.   All the other rookies went through some sort of competition and rep splitting through camp and Pre season.  Now that some of these guys are now starting and getting the QB1 reps, they are showing growth.  Fields is getting comfortable, Trevor is starting to do his thing now and looks really good, even Davis Mills has looked decent.   Hopefully Zach shows some growth against the Pats, he should, NE defense isn’t great and they are playing them for the second time this season.  

lol - yeah, at least the Jags faked a competition....the Jets didnt even do that!

[Gastineau Lives]

28 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

His downfield accuracy is ridiculous.  It's already elite.  His ability to drop it in the bucket is stupid good.  Makes all the simple stuff, look, well simple.   Kid looks really good.  He's going to be a star in this league.  I think the most impressive part of Justin Fields is that he's stepping in like this while taking 2nd string reps up until a month ago.  You can see now that he's getting the majority of them, that's just getting better and better.  Kid is going to be stupid good in this league. 

But it's cool, Zach Wilson is awesome! So no harm, no foul. 

 

This is like the pre victory lap stretch/warmup

[JustInFudge]

1 minute ago, Gastineau Lives said:

This is like the pre victory lap stretch/warmup

Meh, I didnt start this thread and if that was my intent, I would have said/done this after his 2 game win streak and not on the heels of a loss.

[Matt39]

4 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

Yeah, I guess not, I see a kid is balling out on one of the worst offenses in the NFL w/ limited starter reps. 

I mean he threw for 170 yards and took 4 sacks while putting up 14 points. Herbert ran well yesterday too. 

[JustInFudge]

14 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

I mean he threw for 170 yards and took 4 sacks while putting up 14 points. Herbert ran well yesterday too. 

And?  Herbert and Lamar didnt have great days yesterdays, Rodgers wasnt even that good...but they're on much better teams w/ 10x the coaching.   Fields plays on the worst offense in the NFL and was playing a team 10x better team and yet, he's making them competitive by elevating their play.  It's more than the stats.  Kid looks very good, very comfortable and when you have the ability to hit anyone at any spot on the field with pinpoint accuracy, in addition to everything else he offers?  Future looks bright for Fields 4 weeks into his career.   

 

[Warfish]

Why do people feel the need to say things like "I'm not giving up on X but this other guy...".

Observations, evaluations and criticism stand up just fine on their own, they don't need caveats about you "not giving up on" on other guys.  

If you think Fields looks good, just say so, then say why.  That has nothing to do with with Wilson.  

[win4ever]

I liked Fields prior to the draft because I thought (and still do) he was a better fit for the Shanahan offense because it relies so much on misdirection.  

Fields has looked about the same as Wilson, taking some risks, playing with a mediocre offense and bad OL with terrible play calling.  However, he has that extra gear athleticism that can keep defenses honest and that was my biggest attraction to him.  Look at Lamar Jackson, he's not a great thrower, but because he runs so well, he gets one on one matchups for his receivers.  Fields isn't as good as Lamar in terms of running (Lamar just has insane lateral quickness), but Fields throws the ball better down the field.  

Wilson has looked better than I expected coming out of the draft but he has his warts too.  

The main problem is the OL because I don't think Mac Jones has looked all that great when you consider he has very good OL and defense around him.  Neither Fields nor Wilson has that luxury where you can go through progressions on most plays.  It'll be interesting to see how the team sets up the OL next year, because they really need to invest in a RG and possibly RT/C.  

Second, neither of them are playing in offenses that suit their style.  Wilson needs vertical passing, because that sets up his intermediate game.  We tried it at the start but the OL sucks to the point they can't protect for that long.  Fields needs more horizontal spread to create passing lanes because his athleticism should keep linebackers closer to the middle or have contain duties.  

Look at what the Chiefs do so well for Mahomes.  They installed an elite OL, which means if you don't blitz, Mahomes has time to go through the progressions.  Then they got elite weapons for down the field (Hill) intermediate (Kelce) and then tried to pick guys for short yardage (Hardman, CEH) which haven't quite hit.  Either way, their philosophy seems to be giving the defense a headache based on choice.  If you don't blitz, then Mahomes can sit in the pocket and pick you apart.  If you overload a blitz, he has enough athleticism to run to the other side.  If you bring your safeties up to replace blitzing linebackers, you better hope he's sacked with Hill/Hardman.  If you keep your safeties back and blitz, the intermediate area is Kelce's playground.  

The Jets don't have anything resembling that plan because teams get pressure without blitzing, thus allowing defenders to drop back.  On top of it, we refuse to play Mims, who can actually threaten a defense, thus we have a No. 2 receiver in Davis, and a bunch of slot guys.  Hopefully investing in the OL solves one issue, and then can go from there.  

[JetBlue]

5 hours ago, JiFapono said:

His downfield accuracy is ridiculous.  It's already elite.  His ability to drop it in the bucket is stupid good.  Makes all the simple stuff, look, well simple.   Kid looks really good.  He's going to be a star in this league.  I think the most impressive part of Justin Fields is that he's stepping in like this while taking 2nd string reps up until a month ago.  You can see now that he's getting the majority of them, that's just getting better and better.  Kid is going to be stupid good in this league. 

But it's cool, Zach Wilson is awesome! So no harm, no foul. 

 

That is what I also saw.  Sure he made a ton of mistakes; why is anyone surprised?  That is what most rookie quarterbacks do (Mac Jones being an exception).   But his skill set can't be taught and if he can get the mental side down, in a few years he is going be a very, very good.     

 

[JetBlue]

4 hours ago, Warfish said:

Why do people feel the need to say things like "I'm not giving up on X but this other guy...".

Observations, evaluations and criticism stand up just fine on their own, they don't need caveats about you "not giving up on" on other guys.  

If you think Fields looks good, just say so, then say why.  That has nothing to do with with Wilson.  

Why do you care?  People can say whatever they want; who are you the opinion police? 

[BornJetsFan1983]

19 hours ago, JetBlue said:

Fields made some typical rookie mistakes today but you can see the potential Fields has.  From a physical stand point he has it all; strong arm, great size, blazing speed.   Plus a coaching staff that seems to have designed their offense to make it easier for him to get acclimated to the NFL, unlike our CS.    Still don't understand why he lasted so long in the draft but the I think the Bears have their franchise quarterback.   Once he gets the mental part down he is going to be a real problem. 

I have not given up on Zach, nor do wish we had taken Fields over him although I would have been fine if he were the pick.  The more I watch these young quarterbacks like Fields, Lance, Lawerence, etc.  The more I place the blame on the ineptitude of our coaching staff, then on Wilson, both on play design and who they are playing at the skill position.  If we don't see more sets that include BOTH Mims and Moore, along with Carter out of the backfield then I personally believe no matter who we drafted at quarterback, they would struggle with this clueless staff.  

seen better out of Zach than  the others.. Glad we got Zach

[BornJetsFan1983]

4 hours ago, Warfish said:

Why do people feel the need to say things like "I'm not giving up on X but this other guy...".

Observations, evaluations and criticism stand up just fine on their own, they don't need caveats about you "not giving up on" on other guys.  

If you think Fields looks good, just say so, then say why.  That has nothing to do with with Wilson.  

yeah I read it as I think zach sucks and these other guys are better...grass is greener kind of thing going on I suspect on the posters part

[Warfish]

3 minutes ago, JetBlue said:

Why do you care?  People can say whatever they want; who are you the opinion police? 

You mean.....exactly like I'm saying what I want here and now?  

[JetBlue]

3 minutes ago, Warfish said:

You mean.....exactly like I'm saying what I want here and now?  

No like you always have to act "superior" or something.  Give it a rest. 

[Warfish]

Just now, JetBlue said:

Give it a rest. 

No.

[JetBlue]

Just now, Warfish said:

No.

GFY 

[Warfish]

1 minute ago, JetBlue said:

GFY 

Nope.

[rangerous]

19 hours ago, JetBlue said:

Fields made some typical rookie mistakes today but you can see the potential Fields has.  From a physical stand point he has it all; strong arm, great size, blazing speed.   Plus a coaching staff that seems to have designed their offense to make it easier for him to get acclimated to the NFL, unlike our CS.    Still don't understand why he lasted so long in the draft but the I think the Bears have their franchise quarterback.   Once he gets the mental part down he is going to be a real problem. 

I have not given up on Zach, nor do wish we had taken Fields over him although I would have been fine if he were the pick.  The more I watch these young quarterbacks like Fields, Lance, Lawerence, etc.  The more I place the blame on the ineptitude of our coaching staff, then on Wilson, both on play design and who they are playing at the skill position.  If we don't see more sets that include BOTH Mims and Moore, along with Carter out of the backfield then I personally believe no matter who we drafted at quarterback, they would struggle with this clueless staff.  

uh...fields and lawrence are both playing on more established teams.  it stands to reason they'll look better.  same thing with jones though maybe his team isn't so good overall.  lawrence has the same record as wilson right now.  wilson's going to get through this.  the throws he's missing are easy to correct.  the receivers are getting open and the oline is playing better.

[JetBlue]

12 minutes ago, rangerous said:

uh...fields and lawrence are both playing on more established teams.  it stands to reason they'll look better.  same thing with jones though maybe his team isn't so good overall.  lawrence has the same record as wilson right now.  wilson's going to get through this.  the throws he's missing are easy to correct.  the receivers are getting open and the oline is playing better.

No one saying otherwise.  In fact if you actually read the post you have seen that I stated if any of the other young qbs were on the Jets they would probably be struggling just like Wilson.  

[JetBlue]

20 hours ago, Pichula said:

Fields looks like absolute trash what are you watching Jesus. 

Obviously something different than you.  

[Turd Ferguson]

5 hours ago, Warfish said:

Why do people feel the need to say things like "I'm not giving up on X but this other guy...".

Observations, evaluations and criticism stand up just fine on their own, they don't need caveats about you "not giving up on" on other guys.  

If you think Fields looks good, just say so, then say why.  That has nothing to do with with Wilson.  

For as long as mankind has had a mouth, they have talked out of both sides of it. 

[JustInFudge]

30 minutes ago, JetBlue said:

That is what I also saw.  Sure he made a ton of mistakes; why is anyone surprised?  That is what most rookie quarterbacks do (Mac Jones being an exception).   But his skill set can't be taught and if he can get the mental side down, in a few years he is going be a very, very good.     

 

All the rookies look about the same, if you ask me.  Yes, Mac Jones takes care of the ball but he's also in the best situation of any rookie and plays in a dink and dunk offense that fits his water pistol arm.  Probably a take I'll regret but I dont see where else there is to go for Mac Jones, he is what he is, you've got all you'll ever get.  At least with the other guys TL, ZW, Lance and JF - they all have ridiculously high ceilings and 2 of those 4 are getting better and better each week.  Right now, TL and Fields seem to be making the most progress week over week and I think are showing the most potential long term but it's too early to make heads and tails of anything or to make any significant predictions on any of them.

[UntouchableCrew]

As someone who liked Fields and preferred him to Zach -- he's been pretty brutal so far too.

Like, all five rookie QBs from this class have been pretty awful.

[Warfish]

11 minutes ago, Turd Ferguson said:

For as long as mankind has had a mouth, they have talked out of both sides of it. 

Yup.  

It's just funnier reading it in the era of "People Afraid to Be Wrong on the Internet".

Personally, I wanted Fields (early) or Jones (late), and not Wilson. 

We drafted Wilson anyway.  So now I root for Wilson because he's a Jet. 

Fields looks just as poop if not more poop then Wilson so far.  JMO.

[rangerous]

35 minutes ago, JetBlue said:

No one saying otherwise.  In fact if you actually read the post you have seen that I stated if any of the other young qbs were on the Jets they would probably be struggling just like Wilson.  

yes but the key is the coaching staff.  people need to chill a bit about saleh and lafleur and co.  this is just the way it is for new staffs, new players, and so on.

[dbatesman]

Fields took nine sacks in a game two weeks ago

[GangGreened]

Mac Jones is the only QB from this class I’ve been impressed with at all

[All Gas, No Gase]

I’m curious to see how ZW responds against NE after the bye week. He didn’t have the short ball accuracy issues in college like he’s had the last couple of games. And, his mechanics are digressing  

The NFL game seems to messing with his head. He has now had some time to work through it with help from John Beck. 

I’m not expecting for him to come back perfect; however, if he comes back without noticeable improvement on the fundamentals of his game, I will concerned whether he has the mental toughness to become FQB in the NFL.
 

[Flea Flicking Frank]

28 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Fields took nine sacks in a game two weeks ago

Is that good or bad for Fields as it pertains to this argument? asking for a friend