The Parcells Drafts

[AFJF]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Rex was so toxic that the only person who would agree to GM for him (after he knifed Mike Tannenbaum) was John Idzik. When Idzik and Rex were excised, the Johnson brand was so toxic that they had to co-opt the credibility of Charlie Casserly and Ron Hunt to recruit a new GM, but, again, the Jets job was so toxic that they ended up settling for Casserly’s former coffee boy Mike Maccagnan, who is unquestionably one of the worst GMs in the history of the sport. Maccagnan was so bad that the Jets had to settle for Adam Gase, whose Machiavellian takedown of Maccagnan led to Joe Douglas, who is currently trying to undo literally everything that Maccagnan did. 
 

So, yes, Rex’s treachery and incompetence is still being felt to this very day.

But they had to hire Rex because of Mangini's epic choke job on the field and putting people to sleep off the field.  And they had to hire Mangini because Herm was all flash and no substance.   And they had to hire Herm because Al Groh quit after one year.  And they had to hire Al Groh because BB left because Parcells quit but wanted to hang around as the GM to take any credit the team may have had in the coming years.  So if not for BP's ego, the Jets keep Belichick and win all the rings.

And don't get me started on that Bruce Coslet fella' either...

 

 

Edited October 23, 2021 by AFJF

[T0mShane]

7 minutes ago, AFJF said:

But they had to hire Rex because of Mangini's epic choke job on the field and putting people to sleep off the field.  And they had to hire Mangini because Herm was all flash and no substance.   And they had to hire Herm because Al Groh quit after one year.  And they had to hire Al Groh because BB left because Parcells quit but wanted to hang around as the GM to take any credit the team may have had in the coming years.  So if not for BP's ego, the Jets keep Belichick and win all the rings.

And don't get me started on that Bruce Coslet fella' either...

 

 

They fired Mangini and hired Rex because Woody had to sell PSLs to MetLife. 

[Lupz27]

8 hours ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

Parcells was an AWFUL drafter. Holy sh*t!

He had zero value for offense.

[More Cowbell]

8 hours ago, AFJF said:

Because of a chat in another thread with @T0mShane.  We like to pretend we understand the game well enough to identify a quality player but when the Jets had a HoF head coach making the picks, this is what we got.  

Having 4 firsts in 2000 saves Parcells from Idzik/Mac status.

000	1	Shaun Ellis	12	DE	2011	0	2	11	71	184												1	73.5	Tennessee
2000	1	John Abraham	13	DE	2014	2	5	11	91	192												1	133.5	South Carolina
2000	1	Chad Pennington	18	QB	2010	0	0	5	55	89	1632	2471	17823	102	64	180	465	7	0	7	0			Marshall
2000	1	Anthony Becht	27	TE	2011	0	0	9	12	167									188	1537	21			West Virginia
2000	3	Laveranues Coles	78	WR	2009	0	1	9	68	153						37	231	0	674	8609	49			Florida St.
2000	5	Windrell Hayes	143	WR	2001	0	0	0	1	9						1	2	0	6	126	0			USC
2000	6	Tony Scott	179	DB	2001	0	0	0	2	23												1		North Carolina St.
2000	7	Richard Seals	218	DT		0	0	0																Utah
Year	Rnd	Player	Pick	Pos	To	AP1	PB	St	CarAV	G	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Att	Yds	TD	Rec	Yds	TD	Int	Sk	College/Univ
1999	2	Randy Thomas	57	G	2009	0	0	9	52	143														Mississippi St.
1999	3	David Loverne	90	G	2004	0	0	2	12	63														San Jose St.
1999	4	Jason Wiltz	123	DT	2000	0	0	0	4	27												2	2.0	Nebraska
1999	5	Jermaine Jones	162	DB	2002	0	0	0	0	3														Northwestern St. (LA)
1999	6	Marc Megna	183	LB	2000	0	0	0	0	6														Richmond
1999	6	J.P. Machado	197	G	2003	0	0	1	11	69														Illinois
1999	7	Ryan Young	223	T	2003	0	0	3	21	67														Kansas St.
1999	7	J.J. Syvrud	235	LB	1999	0	0	0	0	1														Jamestown
Year	Rnd	Player	Pick	Pos	To	AP1	PB	St	CarAV	G	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Att	Yds	TD	Rec	Yds	TD	Int	Sk	College/Univ
1998	2	Dorian Boose	56	DE	2001	0	0	0	5	44														Washington St.
1998	3	Scott Frost	67	DB	2003	0	0	0	5	59						1	1	0	0	0	0	1	1.0	Nebraska
1998	3	Kevin Williams	87	DB	2002	0	0	0	8	43												1		Oklahoma St.
1998	4	Jason Fabini	111	T	2008	0	0	9	53	152														Cincinnati
1998	5	Casey Dailey	134	LB	1999	0	0	0	0	6														Northwestern
1998	5	Doug Karczewski	141	G		0	0	0																Virginia
1998	5	Blake Spence	146	TE	2000	0	0	0	0	18									4	20	1			Oregon
1998	5	Eric Bateman	149	T		0	0	0																BYU
1998	6	Eric Ogbogu	163	DE	2005	0	0	0	11	90													9.0	Maryland
1998	6	Chris Brazzell	174	WR	2000	0	0	0	1	14									7	126	0			Angelo State (TX)
1998	6	Dustin Johnson	183	FB	1999	0	0	0	0	1														BYU
1998	7	Lawrence Hart	195	TE	2001	0	0	0	0	1														Southern
Year	Rnd	Player	Pick	Pos	To	AP1	PB	St	CarAV	G	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Att	Yds	TD	Rec	Yds	TD	Int	Sk	College/Univ
1997	1	James Farrior	8	LB	2011	1	2	12	95	230												11	35.5	Virginia
1997	2	Rick Terry	31	DT	1999	0	0	0	4	29													4.0	North Carolina
1997	3	Dedric Ward	88	WR	2004	0	0	1	19	103						12	86	0	167	2307	12			Northern Iowa
1997	4	Terry Day	102	DE	1997	0	0	0	0	1														Mississippi St.
1997	4	Leon Johnson	104	RB	2003	0	0	0	12	74	2	4	45	0	1	217	799	9	46	489	2			North Carolina
1997	5	Lamont Burns	131	G	1997	0	0	0	2	4														East Carolina
1997	5	Raymond Austin	145	DB	1999	0	0	0	3	43														Tennessee
1997	6	Tim Scharf	164	LB		0	0	0																Northwestern
1997	6	Chuck Clements	191	QB	1997	0	0	0	0	1						2	-3	0						Houston
1997	7	Steve Rosga	202	DB		0	0	0																Colorado
1997	7	Jason Ferguson	229	DT	2009	0	0	9	50	159													21.5	Georgia

 

 

 

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[Jetsfan80]

Bottom line:  Our last 2 home playoff games were either coached or heavily influenced by Parcells.  So while I'll never be happy with the way he left, it doesn't make sense why some people here sh*t on him as much as they do. 

The goal for a franchise is to find a Parcells who sticks around.  We haven't had anyone of his caliber running things since he left.  @#27TheDominator makes it seem like finding someone like that is easy. 

Maybe it should be for a competent franchise...

[AFJF]

5 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

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[undertow]

2 hours ago, Biggs said:

Parcells built the Jets through FA not the draft.  Vinny, Martin and Mawae along with a bunch of his guys on D were brought in.  The deal for Martin was a complete cap killer to keep the Pats from matching.  Parcells made a move to win a SB and fell a game short.

He had one nice draft.  He won 2 SB with the Giants when George Young picked the groceries.  He fell short everywhere else. 

The reality is we probably had one of the great coaching staffs in terms of player devlopment in the league when he was here and his picks generally weren't better than the league mean average when you consider the amount of first rounders he had in one draft.

We had veteran teams and great coaching on both sides of the ball.  Abraham was probably the most talented player he drafted here.  

He also may have cost us Manning who would have completely changed the course of the Jets for 15 years. 

He rebuilt or was part of rebuilding four franchises from the ground up...the Giants, Pats, Jets, and Cowboys...all four teams were in the dumpster before he got there.  Hell the people he put in place was a main factor why we made the AFC Championship two years in a row and then Woody let Rex Ryan take a blow torch to the organization.  What a miserable fan base we have when people are arguing about Parcells being overrated. Honestly we deserve to lose forever. lol

[#27TheDominator]

2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Bottom line:  Our last 2 home playoff games were either coached or heavily influenced by Parcells.  So while I'll never be happy with the way he left, it doesn't make sense why some people here sh*t on him as much as they do. 

The goal for a franchise is to find a Parcells who sticks around.  We haven't had anyone of his caliber running things since he left.  @#27TheDominator makes it seem like finding someone like that is easy. 

Maybe it should be for a competent franchise...

Finding someone like who?  That fat ******* carpetbagger?  It's not really that hard to hire someone like Parcells.  Half the league hired him.  He never won a ******* thing after he left the Giants. 

You think the Patriots are happy with him?  I guess he won the AFC, but he was on the phone with Hess on the plane ride to the super bowl.  He ran out on the Jets after three years.  The moment there was any adversity.  He was whining about retiring for a year before he left, but hung on so that his scumbag #2 would run off to our rivals to torment us for the past 20 years. 

The Cowboys were able to hire him too.  Never won a playoff game there.  The Dolphins?  He left them in some great shape!   He's been with the Browns in some capacity since 2014.  That is certainly the mark of a champion!  The Bucs?  That piece of sh*t ran out on them before he even coached a game because he "didn't feel right." 

It's not hard to hire Bill Parcells, but it's not so easy to win anything with him.  Anybody sucking up to him should be thinking pretty hard about badmouthing Rex.  The team he had here sh*t the bed so bad in Denver I still can barely believe it.  As far as the Jets go he was a cut-rate Marty Schottenheimer.

 

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, #27TheDominator said:

It's not rewally that hard to hire someone like Parcells.

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

As far as the Jets go he was a cut-rate Marty Schottenheimer.

[#27TheDominator]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

Should I have gone with "pumped up Marty Schottenheimer?"  That was also under consideration.

[Anthony Jet]

11 hours ago, AFJF said:

Sorry...I am to posting charts what Bill Parcells was to drafting football players.

Touchè

[GreenFish]

Parcells did a great job bringing in FAs there fit his style of play and fit the culture he wanted to build.

 

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, #27TheDominator said:

Finding someone like who?  That fat ******* carpetbagger?  It's not really that hard to hire someone like Parcells.  Half the league hired him.  He never won a ******* thing after he left the Giants. 

You think the Patriots are happy with him?  I guess he won the AFC, but he was on the phone with Hess on the plane ride to the super bowl.  He ran out on the Jets after three years.  The moment there was any adversity.  He was whining about retiring for a year before he left, but hung on so that his scumbag #2 would run off to our rivals to torment us for the past 20 years. 

The Cowboys were able to hire him too.  Never won a playoff game there.  The Dolphins?  He left them in some great shape!   He's been with the Browns in some capacity since 2014.  That is certainly the mark of a champion!  The Bucs?  That piece of sh*t ran out on them before he even coached a game because he "didn't feel right." 

It's not hard to hire Bill Parcells, but it's not so easy to win anything with him.  Anybody sucking up to him should be thinking pretty hard about badmouthing Rex.  The team he had here sh*t the bed so bad in Denver I still can barely believe it.  As far as the Jets go he was a cut-rate Marty Schottenheimer.

 

 

The Jets have only won 12 games in a season once in its history.  

[#27TheDominator]

22 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

The Jets have only won 12 games in a season once in its history.  

How many times have they blown 10 point second half playoff leads?  They spit the whole thing up in something like 2 minutes.  His royal mishandling of QBs was the reason they only made the playoffs one of the three years he was here.  He was a mercenary.  He only cared about money and his ego and got bored easily and ran off tyhe second something shiny flitted by.

[Jet2020]

14 hours ago, T0mShane said:

How did it impact the team? How did Parcells’ eeeeevil GMing hurt the football team? Because the team was good when he was here, and it was good for years after he left, same as he did in New England and Dallas. Contrast that with ya boys Mike Maccagnan and Rex Ryan who turned the Jets into the most talent poor franchise in the sport, so much so that it’s going to take a decade to repair the damage.

It doesn’t take a decade to undo a damage. Maybe a couple of years to offload trash contracts and accumulate picks. Give on that sh*t dram with Hack and we could’ve drafted Mahomes or even Deshaun. That’s all this franchise needed. Once you identify your true franchise QB, you can very easily go after the top tier FA WR or trade for your #1 and #2. 

How did Rex push us a decade behind? He wasn’t a GM. Maybe it was the Scotty McKnight or the Terminator pick? Big deal. Other picks were trash heap by our outstanding GMs. 

Until you find that franchise QB, you can hit on every pick but you still won’t be a long term winner. Can’t pay premium to 10 guys but you can afford to let 3-4 of those players loose if you have a top 10 QB. 

[Jetsfan80]

12 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

How many times have they blown 10 point second half playoff leads?  They spit the whole thing up in something like 2 minutes.  His royal mishandling of QBs was the reason they only made the playoffs one of the three years he was here.  He was a mercenary.  He only cared about money and his ego and got bored easily and ran off tyhe second something shiny flitted by.

OK then.  So let's go pluck another Parcells off the Parcells tree so we can win a division title again.  

[Are you serious]

On 10/23/2021 at 11:37 AM, T0mShane said:

What you learn when you read up on a lot of these “great” GMs is that they are all obsessed with “culture” and guys who fit in the locker room, which leads them to make some weird picks along the way where they ignore an exponentially more talented player who profiles as an a-hole. Super Bowls are rarely won by the team with the most pure talent. 

No they are even more into size and speed thats why you get the Mamula's, Greg Robinsons. Vernon Goldston, Kyle Brady, Johhny Mitchell, Anthony Becht. (Maybe jets should stay away from 1st round TE's)

[#27TheDominator]

2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

OK then.  So let's go pluck another Parcells off the Parcells tree so we can win a division title again.  

He won a division title 600 years ago and he ran away right after.  He is a mercenary.  There aren't mercenaries available now?  Boo hoo.  We are patting him on the back for division titles and out now?  **** that fat mother****er.  If you don't want to hear about it, stop saying beetlejuice in the mirror or whatever.   

You beg for sustained success and then pine after a guy that won 1 playoff game in 3 years and for all the sh*t I hear about him leaving them in a position to compete, they didn't win another one until the third year after he was gone, running a completely different defense - you know, his specialty.