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Woody is never selling this team. This team is Never moving (he is still paying for the Stadium).

Yes, the team is what happens when there is little to no talent and whatever talent is there is extremely young and inexperienced. This is why we don't have a reasonable back up QB. Winning was not going to happen this year. This team is terrible. Anyone who thought that they were going to win more than 4 games was just fooling themselves. This, sadly, was the plan - it is a complete and total reboot. yes, next year should be much better, but they are not likely going to bring in many FA - other than solid longer term players. There will be no 1-2 year FA. 

 

That being said, I had hoped that team would at least be competitive - losing by 40 points to the Pats really hurts.

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Joe Douglas has placed draft picks over free agency. Works in theory, and sounds great, but you can't just go with 5th and 6th round picks playing key roles all over the field. He's sat on a huge pile of cash both off seasons he's been GM. You can't build a football entirely through the draft, you have to be able to go out and supplement your draft with quality free agents who can allow some of your younger guys to grow. 

 

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THE COACHES SUCK BALLS! You can try to blame this on the Johnsons if you want but you'd be wrong. Douglas was a highly sought after GM candidate who turned down multiple jobs before he accepted the Jets job. Saleh was one of the top HC candidates going into this year as well. The Johnsons hired both of them to resounding praise from everybody across the Nfl.  The fact that they haven't worked out is on them, not the Johnsons. Give me a ******* break with this Johnson bullsh*t.

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3 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

Joe Douglas has placed draft picks over free agency. Works in theory, and sounds great, but you can't just go with 5th and 6th round picks playing key roles all over the field. He's sat on a huge pile of cash both off seasons he's been GM. You can't build a football entirely through the draft, you have to be able to go out and supplement your draft with quality free agents who can allow some of your younger guys to grow. 

Not in todays NFL, not when you're starting with scratch IMO.  It is a mix of draft and FA... has to be.  Once you have the foundation, then you can continue to build mostly from the draft. 

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22 minutes ago, MysticalJet2 said:

Doesn't matter what coaches you bring in, when the team is gutted to the level the Jets have been, then the product we seen over the last few years is what you get.  JD's ego and narcissistic behavior has caused the result you see.  If HE didn't bring or draft the player, then out the door you went.  54 points to a rookie QB is absolutely inexcusable, especially coming off an extra week to prepare.  Less than half way through the first season, your "franchise" QB is injured and out.  We don't even know how serious the injury is either.  Free agency has been a joke... bringing in journey men at best.  JD thinks he knows better than all the other GM's in the industry and can "find" the diamond in the rough.  Yeah well most of the time you get what you pay for .. period.  His drafts have been underwhelming.  

Don't give me this BS that he has only had "2 years".. garbage.  This year should be the year we improve, the year we show the potential, but not happening.  We are so far off its unbelievable.   I was willing to give this staff the year to show what they got, but man this team gets worse every week while other are improving.  

This next offseason needs to be a big one in FA, otherwise this team is destined to be sold and moved.

i'm just not seeing where douglas has gutted this team of any talent.  adams?  leo?  both nice players but not top ten in the league.  leveon?  trumaine?  those guys were either over the hill or were mailing it in.  yes it will take time and from what i can tell there are some pretty good players right now.  it's a matter of getting them all to play the game.

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Our team sucks and is devoid of talent. This is a fair thread to make.

However I wouldn't say Douglas gutted the team of talent. That statement assumes that there was talent to gut in the first place.

Who?

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Just now, Zachtomims47 said:

On offense maybe. Defense…ehhhh. 

The CBs look pretty solid and the DL group is well above average. LB is a weakness, but it seems like that was by design.

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10 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

Joe Douglas has placed draft picks over free agency. Works in theory, and sounds great, but you can't just go with 5th and 6th round picks playing key roles all over the field. He's sat on a huge pile of cash both off seasons he's been GM. You can't build a football entirely through the draft, you have to be able to go out and supplement your draft with quality free agents who can allow some of your younger guys to grow. 

 

Who would he have gotten in FA that would have made a significant improvement to this team?

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Just now, Irish Jet said:

Names.

The OL is above average outside of Van Roten. The receiver group is good. TEs are trash, obviously. Backs are compromised by the QB play. QB is the second overall pick. 
 

The DL and DBs have been mostly solid, but the LBs outside of Mosley suck. 
 

The team isn’t a treasure trove of talent, but compare it to the group Gase had to roll with and this roster is basically the Cowboys.

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2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The CBs look pretty solid and the DL group is well above average. LB is a weakness, but it seems like that was by design.

We just gave up 300+ yards to a rookie, had matt ryan pick us apart, and dont have a single interception.

 

I am not seeing this solid secondary. We have played mostly bad teams so far and an over the hill Matt Ryan was the best QB we have faced.

Does anyone actually believe this secondary would  hold up against the elite offenses in this league?

 

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Just now, peebag said:

Who would he have gotten in FA that would have made a significant improvement to this team?

Not going to go through all the FA that were available over the last 3 years, but I'm not seeing any uptick from what is going from the players he did bring in.  The Oline comes to mind for sure in FA.  There were better players available than who was brought in.  Seeing the previous QB and the new "franchise" QB running for their lives  constantly is horrid. 

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4 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

I’m sorry, but losing 54-13 to a 2-4 team coming off your bye (with an extra week of prep over NE) strongly suggests a huge coaching issue. 
 

the roster isn’t good, but it’s not this bad, IMO. The coaching staff is in over its head. 

Could be, but who's fault is that?

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3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The OL is above average outside of Van Roten. The receiver group is good. TEs are trash, obviously. Backs are compromised by the QB play. QB is the second overall pick. 
 

The DL and DBs have been mostly solid, but the LBs outside of Mosley suck. 
 

The team isn’t a treasure trove of talent, but compare it to the group Gase had to roll with and this roster is basically the Cowboys.

If the offensive line is above average why is it so bad?

 

Coming into the game we have the worst running game in the league with almost nothing being opened up and given up the 6th most sacks.

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2 minutes ago, MysticalJet2 said:

Not going to go through all the FA that were available over the last 3 years, but I'm not seeing any uptick from what is going from the players he did bring in.  The Oline comes to mind for sure in FA.  There were better players available than who was brought in.  Seeing the previous QB and the new "franchise" QB running for their lives  constantly is horrid. 

Ok - name one O-Line FA that would have helped?

It's not that hard and it would make your posts believable

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The Texans and Lions are competing against really good teams today.

 

The Jets are incompetent from the owner… all the way down to the janitors and concession stand workers.

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3 minutes ago, undertow said:

What good players did we get rid of?  

OK so let's say we had no talent to begin with 3 yrs ago.  Based on the performance so far in those 3 yrs, who do we currently have that has been better than before JD was here?

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24 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Plenty of talent on this team, imo.

Offense looked better after Mike White stepped in. Like to see him when he’s not playing from insurmountable lead. 

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8 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The OL is above average outside of Van Roten. The receiver group is good. TEs are trash, obviously. Backs are compromised by the QB play. QB is the second overall pick. 
 

The DL and DBs have been mostly solid, but the LBs outside of Mosley suck. 
 

The team isn’t a treasure trove of talent, but compare it to the group Gase had to roll with and this roster is basically the Cowboys.

Nah.

Our best players are holdovers from Gase sans maybe Corey Davis and even he's been inconsistent. The line isn't that good. McGovern gets good PFF grades but guys get past him regularly. Most guys are one dimensional and suck at one aspect of the game. 

The DB's are terrible. Worst in the league. They've just not been exposed because we can be beaten easier elsewhere. The line is overrated. Quinnen shows up for 2-3 plays a game. JFM is overpaid. We have no consistent pass rusher. Same old Jets in that regard. 

 

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You have to look at the cash flow.  The Johnsons do not have unlimited cash flow.  Mac spent the money on guys like Bell and Trumaine who are still being paid.  
 

JD’s 2020 draft was not good.  2021 looks better.  LaFleur is not good.  But JD and Saleh will get another chance in 2022 to put a better team on the field.  I predict that the team looks much better then, enough to save their jobs.  Then the logical call is made at the end of 2013. 

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31 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

Joe Douglas has placed draft picks over free agency. Works in theory, and sounds great, but you can't just go with 5th and 6th round picks playing key roles all over the field. He's sat on a huge pile of cash both off seasons he's been GM. You can't build a football entirely through the draft, you have to be able to go out and supplement your draft with quality free agents who can allow some of your younger guys to grow. 

 

Ding ding ding 

JD has this suicide strategy of depending simply on picks 

Not sure if he’s crazy or drunk. He stinks in the FA moves he does make 

Fire this clown 

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12 minutes ago, Prodigal Syndicate said:

If the offensive line is above average why is it so bad?

 

Coming into the game we have the worst running game in the league with almost nothing being opened up and given up the 6th most sacks.

I look at it this way: Fant has been good in pass pro at OLT, AVT has looked great at OLG, McGovern is up and down, Van Roten is awful, and Moses has been ok. That’s more than a lot of teams have up front. I think the QB and the playcaller are the issue with the OL.

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