greenwichjetfan Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Granted, Mahomes has an extra game on Zach this year, but here we go. Tied for the NFL lead 7 weeks in! 1 3 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 I heard he has the Mahomes condition or something 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Mahomes Effect! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSY14 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Wilson will be out for a couple of weeks so we will not have to worry about this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Mahomes Effect! Ah, that's what it was called. For some reason I thought condition... maybe because it has to be treated? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Off-platform!!! I told y’all that Mac Jones was everything teams looked for in a QB for the past 30-40 years… but, noooooo we had to have the guy who could throw it sidearm. Nevermind the trash footwork and ball going into the dirt. Enjoy. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: Off-platform!!! I told y’all that Mac Jones was everything teams looked for in a QB for the past 30-40 years… but, noooooo we had to have the guy who could throw it sidearm. Nevermind the trash footwork and ball going into the dirt. Enjoy. Mac Jones who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Just now, The Crusher said: Mac Jones who? The Pats version of Mike White. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sellis92 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Let’s be fair. Zach does look a little like Pat Mahomes just the 2021 version Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sellis92 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 37 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Mahomes Effect! He looked good facing Coastal Carolina dammit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: Off-platform!!! I told y’all that Mac Jones was everything teams looked for in a QB for the past 30-40 years… but, noooooo we had to have the guy who could throw it sidearm. Nevermind the trash footwork and ball going into the dirt. Enjoy. Ehh, I think Mac Jones is overrated. He just hasn't been exposed yet. He will be. Not saying he's not an NFL QB, btw. It's just that I don't think he's any kind of star. It's possible he won't even be their starter next season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: The Pats version of Mike White. At least he gets to play against the Jets instead of for them. Luck of the draw and all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 1 hour ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Ehh, I think Mac Jones is overrated. He just hasn't been exposed yet. He will be. Not saying he's not an NFL QB, btw. It's just that I don't think he's any kind of star. It's possible he won't even be their starter next season. You’re not winning any Super Bowl with Mac Jones, and that’s always the ultimate goal right? You might never win one with Zach Wilson either, but I have a problem with any team that rides with a game manager, because to me it says the team is ok with just being competitive but nothing more. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 What has happened to Patrick Mahomes. He got paid and has gone Muhammed Wilkerson on the Chiefs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR.GANGGREEN28 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Mahomes has 18 TD to Wilson’s 4.. idc what Mahomes got paid we would all kill for a QB with a 2:1 ratio and a ring. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Integrity28 said: Off-platform!!! I told y’all that Mac Jones was everything teams looked for in a QB for the past 30-40 years… but, noooooo we had to have the guy who could throw it sidearm. Nevermind the trash footwork and ball going into the dirt. Enjoy. He's going to be better than Mac Jones. Put Mac Jones on the Bears or the Jets and he'd be just as bad as Fields or Wilson. This victory lap is funny though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Sellis92 said: He looked good facing Coastal Carolina dammit! I remembah all the great QBs that were the awesomest on horrible football teams right out of the gate too. Like first five and a half games, boom, the best. Dammit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 We're looking at this the wrong way round ... it's Mahomes that is having the Wilson Effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSY14 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 4 hours ago, MR.GANGGREEN28 said: Mahomes has 18 TD to Wilson’s 4.. idc what Mahomes got paid we would all kill for a QB with a 2:1 ratio and a ring. Instead of a2:1 ratioZach has a 1:2 ratio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 8 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Ehh, I think Mac Jones is overrated. He just hasn't been exposed yet. He will be. Not saying he's not an NFL QB, btw. It's just that I don't think he's any kind of star. It's possible he won't even be their starter next season. Wes Welker… seriously???!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 6 hours ago, Gastineau Lives said: He's going to be better than Mac Jones. Put Mac Jones on the Bears or the Jets and he'd be just as bad as Fields or Wilson. This victory lap is funny though. “I disagree with what you’re saying about actual events, so I’ll counter it with an argument centered on hypothetical situations and the resulting outcomes they would produce.” Mac Jones is a normal QB prospect vouched for by the best coach in the NCAA. We drafted a project into a franchise that is notorious for not succeeding with projects. That’s the point. Not the simplistic thing you’re reacting to “Mac better than Zach unga bunga”. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 People neg rep'd this? Why? It's hilarious. What a bunch of pansies. They're probably trying to cancel Dave Chappelle too. 1 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted October 25, 2021 Author Share Posted October 25, 2021 Yes, this is my victory lap. Blame the coaches, blame the WRs, blame JD. The owners, the fans. Sure they all share in the blame for the team being bad. Still, the four most important non-players involved in Xs and Os are all folks with pedigree. The WR room has solid talent. As does the OL room when healthy. The RB room leaves a bit to be desired, but there’s enough there to work with. More so than any other rookie Jets QB has had since Sanchez. They are not the reason for Zach’s struggles. Most of his issues are his inability to see the field or take the easy play, and missing easy throws. Now, his small frame is injured in just his 6th week. Yes, he has a live arm and is mobile and can make the flash plays, but that’s not sustainable, nor is it a reason to compare him to a transcendent player like Mahomes. These were all very real concerns that I shared ad-nauseam for months leading up to the draft. They were easy-to-spot flaws in his candidacy as a great prospect. Fact of the matter is that if Zach can’t combine staying healthy, making the easy read, and completing the easy throws on a consistent basis, none of the other stuff matters. To date, he hasn’t. Let’s hope he turns it around - but the draft forum has known for a while just how little confidence I have in him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 28 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: Wes Welker… seriously???!!! ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 25 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: “I disagree with what you’re saying about actual events, so I’ll counter it with an argument centered on hypothetical situations and the resulting outcomes they would produce.” Mac Jones is a normal QB prospect vouched for by the best coach in the NCAA. We drafted a project into a franchise that is notorious for not succeeding with projects. That’s the point. Not the simplistic thing you’re reacting to “Mac better than Zach unga bunga”. You has problems with his body, his face, his religion, his mother. You posting about these (non football) things is an actual event as well. Your opinion about football things is kind of undercut by this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Zack Wilson: Darnold 2.0 without (far as I know) the mono. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreened Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 22 minutes ago, JiFapono said: People neg rep'd this? Why? It's hilarious. What a bunch of pansies. They're probably trying to cancel Dave Chappelle too. Their upset that they bought into the Wilson hype and got fooled, that’s all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sellis92 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 9 hours ago, The Crusher said: Mac Jones who? The guy ESPN is raving about like he’s having Dan Marino’s rookie season. 2 of his 3 wins are against us 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sellis92 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 24 minutes ago, JiFapono said: People neg rep'd this? Why? It's hilarious. What a bunch of pansies. They're probably trying to cancel Dave Chappelle too. They should cancel Woody and the Jets 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Just now, GangGreened said: Their upset that they bought into the Wilson hype and got fooled, that’s all Wilson hype and grandstanding stupidity by the owner and GM. You proclaim as loudly as possible that Zack has all the tools be be an elite NFL QB, announce him as the game one starter, and even though he's a raw rookie who has not played a down in the league you make him a captain. No pressure there. Now? Woody, JD, Saleh, and LaFleur need to answer for Santino. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 12 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said: Yes, this is my victory lap. Blame the coaches, blame the WRs, blame JD. The owners, the fans. Sure they all share in the blame for the team being bad. Still, the four most important non-players involved in Xs and Os are all folks with pedigree. The WR room has solid talent. As does the OL room when healthy. The RB room leaves a bit to be desired, but there’s enough there to work with. More so than any other rookie Jets QB has had since Sanchez. They are not the reason for Zach’s struggles. Most of his issues are his inability to see the field or take the easy play, and missing easy throws. Now, his small frame is injured in just his 6th week. Yes, he has a live arm and is mobile and can make the flash plays, but that’s not sustainable, nor is it a reason to compare him to a transcendent player like Mahomes. These were all very real concerns that I shared ad-nauseam for months leading up to the draft. They were easy-to-spot flaws in his candidacy as a great prospect. Fact of the matter is that if Zach can’t combine staying healthy, making the easy read, and completing the easy throws on a consistent basis, none of the other stuff matters. To date, he hasn’t. Let’s hope he turns it around - but the draft forum has known for a while just how little confidence I have in him. The shame of it is, this was all predictable. Despite the genius of Chris Simms, anyone paying any attention to Wilson knew without a shadow of a doubt, he was not ready to be a NFL QB. Not even close. And if you're taking him, you had to have a plan and that plan, had to include sitting the entire year because he needed to broken down and rebuilt completely from scratch. They need to take the traits that they were attracted to and build him up based on those traits. How on earth they saw a finished polished product, is ******* mind boggling and probably the most damning knock on JD right now. Dude was an absolute mess and nothing he did in college translated. This raw not ready rookie QB w/ Rookie HC and wet behind the ear coordinator's, was stupid. Straight up, stupid. All that said, while everything we talked about in the offseason has come to fruition, I think it's still too early to do a victory lap, on any of these young QB's. This team is god awful and I dont think you can look at QB's in a vacuum. Situations matter and this was the worst possible situation for Zach Wilson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynolds1029 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 8 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said: What has happened to Patrick Mahomes. He got paid and has gone Muhammed Wilkerson on the Chiefs. The team around him can't be great forever. We have a salary cap and consistently drafting low doesn't typically bode well for keeping a team filled with drafted in house talent. Mahomes' quick rise to elite status was because he had a great coaching staff and team that was built in KC that fostered his talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 It's rather amazing how much Wilson and Darnold resemble each other. Same strengths. Same weaknesses. Because those weaknesses weren't addressed before they we're thrown into the fire, it could ruin Wilson. It's already ruined Darnold. The footwork. Bad decision making, and the happy feet because of the pass rush. Why can't organization ever do the right thing. The smart thing. It's so damn depressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted October 25, 2021 Author Share Posted October 25, 2021 49 minutes ago, JiFapono said: The shame of it is, this was all predictable. Despite the genius of Chris Simms, anyone paying any attention to Wilson knew without a shadow of a doubt, he was not ready to be a NFL QB. Not even close. And if you're taking him, you had to have a plan and that plan, had to include sitting the entire year because he needed to broken down and rebuilt completely from scratch. They need to take the traits that they were attracted to and build him up based on those traits. How on earth they saw a finished polished product, is ******* mind boggling and probably the most damning knock on JD right now. Dude was an absolute mess and nothing he did in college translated. This raw not ready rookie QB w/ Rookie HC and wet behind the ear coordinator's, was stupid. Straight up, stupid. All that said, while everything we talked about in the offseason has come to fruition, I think it's still too early to do a victory lap, on any of these young QB's. This team is god awful and I dont think you can look at QB's in a vacuum. Situations matter and this was the worst possible situation for Zach Wilson. I'm not saying this team is great or that the coaching staff is great. I'm also not saying that Zach deserves all of the blame for 1-5. I'm saying that he's not even consistently competent at the basics. Even when the subpar coaches and teammates actually get things right, he's dirting balls or missing the right reads. As I said earlier, blame everyone else for 1-5, but at some point it's got to be on him that he is not there mentally and not able to throw on schedule consistently. These were flaws we saw in him months before the draft, and had to eat downvotes and be talked down to for our opinions. For that only, I am taking a victory lap. Of course I hope he turns it around. At the end of the day, the only name that matters to me in relation to this team is the one on the front of the jerseys. Also, not enough data yet, but the "Mahomes Effect" might not be the positive descriptor that it is intended to be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sellis92 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 8 hours ago, Gastineau Lives said: I remembah all the great QBs that were the awesomest on horrible football teams right out of the gate too. Like first five and a half games, boom, the best. Dammit. The beautiful throws facing Boise Community College Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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