The Coming Test

[Vader]

4 minutes ago, doitny said:

i agree.

and Saleh has set this up all year with the Mims benching. he showed it doesnt matter your draft status you dont win the job in camp or practice you will not play. the rest of the team must love that. FAs to be who are watching will love that to. to know that if they sign here they wont be pushed aside cause we drafted someone at the same position.

He did it with Moses and Fant too at RT

[Maxman]

3 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Garbage

No personal attacks.

[Maxman]

1 hour ago, Pichula said:

Bro people crowned White after the first drive, then threw him in the trash in the middle of the game after the two picks, then crowned him again at the end of the game. He’s actually gotten better and more hyped since the game ended. The second he struggles against the Colts he will be garbage again. 

#FreeNico

[jamesr]

That’s the wrong take. I enjoyed the game, the win and the performance. My analysis of what it means in the long run is based on pragmatics tho, not mysticism or “hope.” 
There’s no misery until this Messiah that’s been built up cracks and those that have built him up into something he hasn’t shown he is capable of being are left without words and move on to the next mark.
My take is — it was one game. It was good (but here’s what’s hmm) and let’s wait and see.
Then again, I was alive through Browning Nagle. Do you remember his first game? And what happened?

"He is the messiah, and I should know, I've followed a few!"

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[Raideraholic]

taking the colts in my suicide pool this week.  

[rangerous]

12 hours ago, Vader said:

I was on the mountain and saw the oracle and drank the vapors. The keeper of the Jets Mysteries sent me with a message for you to be mindful of:

1. The Bengals had no tape of the Mike White / Press Box LaFleur / no Corey Davis and could not gameplan. They had no idea what White would do, his tendencies, LaFleur’s, etc. Maybe they thought after the two 1st half INTs and their taking the lead into the half, “we got this”, and didn’t think they needed to adjust their soft zone scheme.

2. The Bengals played soft zone all day and never adjusted, content to keep everything in front of them. I saw a stat that MW did not complete a pass that traveled over 15 yards in the air. It was noted that LaFleur called early deep shots but that MW opted for the underneath dink and dunk. He got the ball out quick, his guys were basically open, and they had the YAC. This is Pennington ball 2.0. Even pre-injury Pennington, which was fun but once he was exposed he was a handicap.

3. The two deep balls MW threw were his worst. They were terrible. Elijah Moore on a 40 yard downfield throw and the swing pass to Carter that he misread the zone coverage as man and should have been his third INT. If he can’t improve his deep ball, expect teams to exploit it, starting Thursday.

Teams going forward will tighten up their zones, mix their coverages, move to man, press man, off man, and make MW beat them deep. 

The Mike White euphoria vapors have Jet Nation uncontrollably giddy like a sorority party edibles overdose. Jet Nation is now teed up for the coming crash, which is predictable. Not if, but when. This is the script, to bring you back in, drink the vapors to get crushed. Buy the hype after one game at your own risk. Mike White is already a legend after one game but it will be impossible to match the performance in the long run and the magic we just saw. Because it was so impossible. That’s statistically reliable. Only question is where and how hard the landing. If we can manage the turbulence, stabilize, and touch back down on the runway with fuselage intact with out crash landing, that will be new. 

If Mike White breaks the trend, he will have broken the wheel, and the curse, so speaks the oracle.

The whole world will be watching. The real test begins Thursday Primetime. This will be fun.

yep.  teams watched this and will be ready for the passes into the flat and carter.  as you said the bungles weren't as ready as they needed.  i'd add that they missed a ton of tackles.  and they never did adjust.  those short passes in the first half were just as effective in the fourth quarter.

but white did make some really nice throws.  those two into the end zone, cole and berrios, were really nice and the receivers did exceptional jobs.  and he also hit mims in the pads that would've been a td.  white will need to show he can make deeper throws as the defenses tighten up.  and the jets also need to run block better. 

[Long Island Leprechaun]

12 hours ago, Vader said:

Didn’t you hear? Mike White has ridden in on his donkey and Mike LaFleur is now sitting in his rightful place in the clouds with the gods calling plays like being fed grapes by virgins. Order has returned. This is all real and lasting. 

This is all very real.

LOL. The odds are certainly with you that White will crash and burn sooner than later. But the Colts game will at least be interesting to watch, just because of the question "when." I did like the more aggressive 4-5 wide receiver sets. Jets were at least trying to create opportunities. Also, aren't the Colts completely banged up?

[The Crusher]

8 hours ago, jgb said:

Zack Wilson after 5.5 putrid games - “We can’t judge him yet! This team is a wreck!”

Mike White after 1 game - “Next Kurt Warner babbbyyyy!”

This depression after this crash will be worse than the THUD after the unwise preseason optimism.

This is the most likely outcome but I think we may see what LaFleur might be made of. He knows what he has in Mike White, he knows what Mike White can do and he’s likely aware of what Mike White  can do. It’s 100% in him to make this work. Not that he needs to win this game  but he needs to show the ability to be ready for teams planning fir his offense. Should be interesting but yes, likely disappointing 

[Irish Jet]

8 hours ago, jgb said:

Zack Wilson after 5.5 putrid games - “We can’t judge him yet! This team is a wreck!”

Mike White after 1 game - “Next Kurt Warner babbbyyyy!”

This depression after this crash will be worse than the THUD after the unwise preseason optimism.

You missed Wilson being the next Mahomes after 4 games. 

[docdhc]

8 hours ago, Skeptable said:

Yes there are mostly short passes in the game but Tom Brady made a career out of that so just dismissing him because he executed plays like he had to is dumb... And the throw to berrios was a nfl throw... He found the open guy... Even keel under pressure came back and scored 2 TDs in the final minutes of the game... This is not a cake walk Simms makes it out to be... 

Do I think he is the future... No of course not... But sh*t he looks like Sanchez out there and I'll take that... 

Agree with everything you say. Simms also implied that if the coaches called the game like this for Wilson he would have been successful as well. I’m sure these were the same plays but Wilson often takes the high risk option while White took what the defense gave him. If the coverage gets tighter hopefully White can throw it ok down field. Wilson will hopefully learn by watching when to take his shots and when to check down as well. 

[Lizard King]

13 hours ago, Vader said:

I was on the mountain and saw the oracle and drank the vapors. The keeper of the Jets Mysteries sent me with a message for you to be mindful of:

1. The Bengals had no tape of the Mike White / Press Box LaFleur / no Corey Davis and could not gameplan. They had no idea what White would do, his tendencies, LaFleur’s, etc. Maybe they thought after the two 1st half INTs and their taking the lead into the half, “we got this”, and didn’t think they needed to adjust their soft zone scheme.

2. The Bengals played soft zone all day and never adjusted, content to keep everything in front of them. I saw a stat that MW did not complete a pass that traveled over 15 yards in the air. It was noted that LaFleur called early deep shots but that MW opted for the underneath dink and dunk. He got the ball out quick, his guys were basically open, and they had the YAC. This is Pennington ball 2.0. Even pre-injury Pennington, which was fun but once he was exposed he was a handicap.

3. The two deep balls MW threw were his worst. They were terrible. Elijah Moore on a 40 yard downfield throw and the swing pass to Carter that he misread the zone coverage as man and should have been his third INT. If he can’t improve his deep ball, expect teams to exploit it, starting Thursday.

Teams going forward will tighten up their zones, mix their coverages, move to man, press man, off man, and make MW beat them deep. 

The Mike White euphoria vapors have Jet Nation uncontrollably giddy like a sorority party edibles overdose. Jet Nation is now teed up for the coming crash, which is predictable. Not if, but when. This is the script, to bring you back in, drink the vapors to get crushed. Buy the hype after one game at your own risk. Mike White is already a legend after one game but it will be impossible to match the performance in the long run and the magic we just saw. Because it was so impossible. That’s statistically reliable. Only question is where and how hard the landing. If we can manage the turbulence, stabilize, and touch back down on the runway with fuselage intact with out crash landing, that will be new. 

If Mike White breaks the trend, he will have broken the wheel, and the curse, so speaks the oracle.

The whole world will be watching. The real test begins Thursday Primetime. This will be fun.

 

[jgb]

44 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

This is the most likely outcome but I think we may see what LaFleur might be made of. He knows what he has in Mike White, he knows what Mike White can do and he’s likely aware of what Mike White  can do. It’s 100% in him to make this work. Not that he needs to win this game  but he needs to show the ability to be ready for teams planning fir his offense. Should be interesting but yes, likely disappointing 

He has known Mike White about the same amount of time as Zach Wilson and has seen a lot less of White in camp/practice taking reps with first team and of course in games.

[The Crusher]

2 minutes ago, jgb said:

He has known Mike White the same about of time as Zach Wilson and has seem White a lot less in camp/practice taking reps with first team and of course in games.

Yes but Mike White is a three year old trained old dog, Zach is a hyper puppy that still isn’t potty trained. Even if he has seen less of the older dog it takes much less time to figure out what he will and won’t do. That’s all. 

[jgb]

1 minute ago, The Crusher said:

Yes but Mike White is a three year old trained old dog, Zach is a hyper puppy that still isn’t potty trained. Even if he has seen less of the older dog it takes much less time to figure out what he will and won’t do. That’s all. 

I dunno, personally I think that's overblown. Mike White has bounced around practice squads for a few years. He's had 1 NFL start. The whole "Mike White is a grizzled vet" angle doesn't sway me at all.

[faba]

Great game from White but we do not make people hall of gamers after one game. He will be under the spotlight Thursday let's see how he fares

[Jet_Engine1]

12 hours ago, Vader said:

 

What’s the difference between dreams and delusions?

The three reasons I mentioned in the OP show the naïveté of lacking grounding. Fans should be excited, but let’s be real here. There’s an element that’s waaaaay over the top — based upon one game… He needs to AT LEAST be able to replicate the results ONCE. I’m stoked too, but I’m also a Jet’s fan, so I’m skeptical. 

Dreams are messages from the deep.

[freestater]

As a long known supporter of JD and Saleh, and of course Dimples...I'd just like it to be known that Mike White is Tom Brady on steroids. We will never lose a game again because we have found our franchise QB! Thank you Joe Douglas. Thank you. 

[Jetsfan80]

3 hours ago, jgb said:

I dunno, personally I think that's overblown. Mike White has bounced around practice squads for a few years. He's had 1 NFL start. The whole "Mike White is a grizzled vet" angle doesn't sway me at all.

Funny how the narrative on White went from "We don't have an NFL backup QB on this team, none have taken a snap in a game!' to White suddenly being an experienced veteran, lol.  "Of course he did better than Wilson, he's been watching games for years!!!!!"

People are eating their cake and having it to on this one in an effort to defend Wilson's performance.

[jgb]

5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Funny how the narrative on White went from "We don't have an NFL backup QB on this team, none have taken a snap in a game!' to White suddenly being an experienced veteran, lol.  "Of course he did better than Wilson, he's been watching games for years!!!!!"

People are eating their cake and having it to on this one in an effort to defend Wilson's performance.

The corollary "argument" is that "Mike White is already at his ceiling and Zach's is much higher." 

[Jetsfan80]

4 minutes ago, jgb said:

The corollary "argument" is that "Mike White is already at his ceiling and Zach's is much higher." 

 

Yep.  If White struggles on Thursday night, you can bet Wilson's most ardent defenders won't be defending White by saying "It's only his 2nd NFL start!"

[jgb]

3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

Yep.  If White struggles on Thursday night, you can bet Wilson's most ardent defenders won't be defending White by saying "It's only his 2nd NFL start!"

Oh and Wilson automatically gets credit for looking good because White did it with LaFleur in the booth and not on the sideline.

[Jetsfan80]

13 minutes ago, jgb said:

Oh and Wilson automatically gets credit for looking good because White did it with LaFleur in the booth and not on the sideline.

"Lafleur called only the good plays for White!"

[jgb]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

"Lafleur called only the good plays for White!"

QB is irrelevant. It's all about the situation or the color of the boxer shorts the OC wears that day.

[Jetsfan80]

11 minutes ago, jgb said:

QB is irrelevant. It's all about the situation or the color of the boxer shorts the OC wears that day.

Yep.  At all other positions on the field, a player either sucks or is good.  At QB, any guy can be molded like clay into the GOAT or Joey Harrington depending on the circumstances he's thrust into.

[Lizard King]

40 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Funny how the narrative on White went from "We don't have an NFL backup QB on this team, none have taken a snap in a game!' to White suddenly being an experienced veteran, lol.  "Of course he did better than Wilson, he's been watching games for years!!!!!"

People are eating their cake and having it to on this one in an effort to defend Wilson's performance.

You make it sound like he beat Fairleigh Dickinson 

[Lizard King]

13 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

"Lafleur called only the good plays for White!"

His brother obviously designed the plan this week and that’s fine. 

[Maxman]

Alright I was going to lock this because I am getting played in here. I am yelling at the wrong people and missing edited posts I guess.

So I have apologized to those I called out incorrectly. On the other stuff, no personal attack, no politics.

Thanks.

[Jetsfan80]

55 minutes ago, Lizard King said:

You make it sound like he beat Fairleigh Dickinson 

Huh?  Are you talking about Wilson or White here?  Because I've been nothing but complimentary to White since Sunday and I am not a Wilson defender.  I didn't want the team to draft Wilson, I was a Fields guy. 

White is the better QB at this moment, and he deserves a lot of credit for his strong play in his first start against a very good team, even if he's been in the NFL for a while.

[Vader]

6 hours ago, docdhc said:

Agree with everything you say. Simms also implied that if the coaches called the game like this for Wilson he would have been successful as well. I’m sure these were the same plays but Wilson often takes the high risk option while White took what the defense gave him. If the coverage gets tighter hopefully White can throw it ok down field. Wilson will hopefully learn by watching when to take his shots and when to check down as well. 

The problem with this argument is that Wilson wasn’t accurate on the routine plays, the passes out of the backfield, 10 yard outs, etc. That’s a huge problem. If you can’t make the routine, of course you are put in positions that you need to do the extraordinary. What Mike White did was take the need to make extraordinary throws off the table completely.

[Jet_Engine1]

6 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Funny how the narrative on White went from "We don't have an NFL backup QB on this team, none have taken a snap in a game!' to White suddenly being an experienced veteran, lol.  "Of course he did better than Wilson, he's been watching games for years!!!!!"

People are eating their cake and having it to on this one in an effort to defend Wilson's performance.

Mike White had a game most NFL QBs NEVER have, regardless of tenure or draft status. 

 

Now, is he Glenn Foley 2.0, or is he Warner/Vrady? No idea. Probably something in between (Pennington?).

 

I don't know, but he has good height/size, he obviously sees the field well, he has a good enough arm, and he seems to have something that many dont...he has that "calm" gene where he just does his thing without being rattled or nervous. That's what stood out watching highlights today. 

 

But Boomer Esiason was talking about how blown away EVERYONE on the CBS set was watching him play. Said the throw to Berrios literally made a couple of the former QBs in the room gasp at the perfect placement of the ball. 

 

We shall see. But being someone that just couldn't seem to care about Wilson, because I have little faith in him, I'm suddenly very interested in the Jets QB situation. 

 

I hope Mr. White has another great game Thursday 

[Vader]

12 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Mike White had a game most NFL QBs NEVER have, regardless of tenure or draft status. 

 

Now, is he Glenn Foley 2.0, or is he Warner/Vrady? No idea. Probably something in between (Pennington?).

 

I don't know, but he has good height/size, he obviously sees the field well, he has a good enough arm, and he seems to have something that many dont...he has that "calm" gene where he just does his thing without being rattled or nervous. That's what stood out watching highlights today. 

 

But Boomer Esiason was talking about how blown away EVERYONE on tge CBS set was watching him play. Said tge thrownto Berrios literally made a couple of the former QBs in the room gasp at the perfect placement of the ball. 

 

We shall see. But being someone that just couldn't seem to care about Wilson, because I have little faith in him, I'm suddenly very interested in the Jets QB situation. 

 

I hope Mr. White has another great game Thursday 

The Berrios throw was nice — also the first flea flicker was a beaut.

[Warfish]

Mike White played a great game Sunday.

Lets hope he plays another great game Thursday.

No need to think beyond that at this point, nor to make something grand or long term out of something that is so far singular.

I'll never understand the need for immediate massive hyperbole by some fans.  

One good game.  Was alot of fun.  We'll see what Thursday looks like, we'll root for a big game, and then we'll go from there.

It's not that hard.

[Maxman]

2 hours ago, Lizard King said:

You make it sound like he beat Fairleigh Dickinson 

My son played for FDU. The Rutgers offensive coordinator Sean Gleason recruited him, he was the FDU O\C at the time.

I will not tolerate FDU hate on this board.  LOL!!!!!!!

[Lizard King]

2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Huh?  Are you talking about Wilson or White here?  Because I've been nothing but complimentary to White since Sunday and I am not a Wilson defender.  I didn't want the team to draft Wilson, I was a Fields guy. 

White is the better QB at this moment, and he deserves a lot of credit for his strong play in his first start against a very good team, even if he's been in the NFL for a while.

Gotcha. 

[Lizard King]

30 minutes ago, Maxman said:

My son played for FDU. The Rutgers offensive coordinator Sean Gleason recruited him, he was the FDU O\C at the time.

I will not tolerate FDU hate on this board.  LOL!!!!!!!

That’s great! A storybook situation.  Good thing White didn’t have to go up against him.