Henry Ruggs involved in serious car crash

[Jetsfan80]

11 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Ruggs has been released by the Raiders. 

No surprise there.  He'll be in jail no fewer than 3 years all the way up to a max of 26 years.  His career is essentially over.

[Hex]

19 minutes ago, dcJet said:

 

I didn't think modern cars caught on fire that easily.  Anyone know why it would flame from a rear end collision?

Holy sh*t.

 

Yea, I thought that was Exclusive to the Ford Pinto. I guess Ruggs must have been going really fast.

[Hex]

17 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

No surprise there.  He'll be in jail no fewer than 3 years all the way up to a max of 26 years.  His career is completely over.

fixed it, I see no way he'll ever come back into the league. Michael Vick was done after dogfighting, this is way worse (no offense to dogs)

[Fantasy Island]

28 minutes ago, dcJet said:

 

I didn't think modern cars caught on fire that easily.  Anyone know why it would flame from a rear end collision?

Holy sh*t.

 

Electric?

[Hex]

Just now, Fantasy Island said:

Electric?

Would either be hybrid or gas powered. Besides, that type of fire would spark from electricity unless there was a very flammable medium, like gasoline.

[Fantasy Island]

9 minutes ago, Hex said:

Would either be hybrid or gas powered. Besides, that type of fire would spark from electricity unless there was a very flammable medium, like gasoline.

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/us-probing-engine-fires-19m-toyota-rav4-suvs-76181655

NHTSA says improper battery installation or front-end collision repair was a factor in the complaints. The agency says the RAV4 has a higher number of fire complaints in the battery area than comparable vehicles.

Investigators will try to understand better what is contributing to the fires. The vehicles aren’t being recalled but the investigation could lead to one.

[Hex]

5 minutes ago, Fantasy Island said:

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/us-probing-engine-fires-19m-toyota-rav4-suvs-76181655

NHTSA says improper battery installation or front-end collision repair was a factor in the complaints. The agency says the RAV4 has a higher number of fire complaints in the battery area than comparable vehicles.

Investigators will try to understand better what is contributing to the fires. The vehicles aren’t being recalled but the investigation could lead to one.

Huh, that is interesting. That must be a result of it being a hybrid, because as far as I know RAV4s aren't fully electric. But you do make a good point here

[Fantasy Island]

6 minutes ago, Hex said:

Huh, that is interesting. That must be a result of it being a hybrid, because as far as I know RAV4s aren't fully electric. But you do make a good point here

I just wish he had lost his keys.

[Jet_Engine1]

1 hour ago, dcJet said:

 

I didn't think modern cars caught on fire that easily.  Anyone know why it would flame from a rear end collision?

Holy sh*t.

 

Post accident fires are common in high impact vehicle collisions. 

[Jet_Engine1]

47 minutes ago, Fantasy Island said:

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/us-probing-engine-fires-19m-toyota-rav4-suvs-76181655

NHTSA says improper battery installation or front-end collision repair was a factor in the complaints. The agency says the RAV4 has a higher number of fire complaints in the battery area than comparable vehicles.

Investigators will try to understand better what is contributing to the fires. The vehicles aren’t being recalled but the investigation could lead to one.

Those fires are typically caused by a fault in the 47kW hybrid battery, typically from faulty charging practices or battery "runaway". Hyundai and Kia have been notorious for it the last few years, Toyota not as frequent but not unheard of. 

 

The fire in this case more likely than not a result of fuel tank/line breach and ignited fuels. Once the fuel get ls going, cars light up fast and intense. Modern cars are actually very flammable.  Tye last Vehicle Fire Investigation class I taught, we put a bag of chips on the floor by the pedals of a car and lit it with a BBQ lighter (no other accelerates were used). Within 2 minutes the car was fully involved and resulted in a full "burn out".

[Prodigal Syndicate]

When I was 11 my father drove drunk and killed a woman. He had driven with me in the car drunk on several occasions.

I still vividly remember the faces of the family of the woman in court, I never saw my Father the same way again.

I have no sympathy for Ruggs. He can rot in jail and I hope he gets the maximum.

[Maxman]

3 hours ago, Prodigal Syndicate said:

When I was 11 my father drove drunk and killed a woman. He had driven with me in the car drunk on several occasions.

I still vividly remember the faces of the family of the woman in court, I never saw my Father the same way again.

I have no sympathy for Ruggs. He can rot in jail and I hope he gets the maximum.

So sorry to hear this. Thank you for sharing that.

Agreed, driving drunk is senseless.

[Biggs]

Just an observation.  I’ve noticed since we are post COVID much more traffic.  Much more high speed traffic and more big accidents.  People aren’t taking mass transportation and the increased traffic has led to a lot of frustrated drivers.  Traffic fatalities are up significantly.  
 

Obviously drunk and impaired driving is another issue but it’s generally less safe on the roads today then before the pandemic.   Stay focused.  

it’s a terrible tragedy to lose a family member to an accident.  You don’t even get to say goodbye.   Still I can’t help hoping that Ruggs finds a way to atone and live a productive life.   He made a terrible decision that he will have to pay for and live with.   It doesn’t mean he’s irredeemable or garbage.   

 

[jamesr]

4 hours ago, Fantasy Island said:

I just wish he had lost his keys.

Or had someone take them from him.

[New York Mick]

Obviously a tragic event and Ruggs is in a world of trouble but why would the Rav 4 catch on fire from getting rear ended? 
 

As far as this being an issue because he was in Vegas that’s BS. Come to South Florida or any major party area and 3:45am places are packed. 

[jgb]

There was never an excuse for drunk driving but even less so today with ride shares a finger swipe away.

Absolutely senseless, stupid crime. Horrible.

[IndianaJet]

Wow. That pic.  Is that Ruggs in the bottom right corner of the pic?  Looks like someone sitting on the ground. 
 

Heard a dog was in the car with the victim too.

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

2 hours ago, Biggs said:

Just an observation.  I’ve noticed since we are post COVID much more traffic.  Much more high speed traffic and more big accidents.  People aren’t taking mass transportation and the increased traffic has led to a lot of frustrated drivers.  Traffic fatalities are up significantly.  
 

Obviously drunk and impaired driving is another issue but it’s generally less safe on the roads today then before the pandemic.   Stay focused.  

it’s a terrible tragedy to lose a family member to an accident.  You don’t even get to say goodbye.   Still I can’t help hoping that Ruggs finds a way to atone and live a productive life.   He made a terrible decision that he will have to pay for and live with.   It doesn’t mean he’s irredeemable or garbage.   

 

He is irredeemable and a piece of human garbage. I have no sympathy for him, and I hope that he feels the same misery as he has caused the people who knew the 23 year old victim. This was 100% completely avoidable. Selfish a$$hole, Henry Ruggs took the life of a woman and her dog because he is a piece of sh*t and an irredeemable a$$hole. 

[Biggs]

12 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

He is irredeemable and a piece of human garbage. I have no sympathy for him, and I hope that he feels the same misery as he has caused the people who knew the 23 year old victim. This was 100% completely avoidable. Selfish a$$hole, Henry Ruggs took the life of a woman and her dog because he is a piece of sh*t and an irredeemable a$$hole. 

Even you might be redeemable?  

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

1 minute ago, Biggs said:

Even you might be redeemable?  

This isn't about me. This about piece of human garbage, Henry Ruggs and his selfishness that took a life and ruined many lives. This is not the time or place to feel bad for that pile of feces. 

[THE BARON]

11 hours ago, Greenseed4 said:

We don’t even have the full story yet…

His BAC? Were they both intoxicated? Did they know each other? Was this a companion? or relative? And they were “racing” home from the same party? Was this a money grab gone wrong?

All we know is this tragic accident involved two extremely young people (22, 23) at a time when most people are or should be sleeping. 

Also was reported that the Rav 4 had a dog in the car that was killed as well.  Sad story all around. 

[THE BARON]

12 hours ago, Better2bgreenthanblue said:

I really feel for the poor young woman and her family. What a horrible way to go. I hope this horrible accident is well publicized and talked about by the NFL. Maybe we can turn this into a teaching moment for all of us. DONT PARTY AND DRIVE. 

There have been countless "teaching" moments for pro athletes and the general public.  Obviously, we still keep getting more "teaching" moments.

Youth and wisdom are often hard to find in one place at the same time.

[Gastineau Lives]

37 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

This isn't about me. This about piece of human garbage, Henry Ruggs and his selfishness that took a life and ruined many lives. This is not the time or place to feel bad for that pile of feces. 

Its not? If you can direct me to the place where you CAN feel empathy for a twenty two year old kid who did something stupid while drunk hat has ruined his life, I'll go there.

Have you ever driven drunk or tipsy? Has anyone you know done so? I'm sure its happened and you didn't call them a human piece of garbage only because they had the luck not to kill someone.

[Gastineau Lives]

35 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

This isn't about me. This about piece of human garbage, Henry Ruggs and his selfishness that took a life and ruined many lives. This is not the time or place to feel bad for that pile of feces. 

Double post. Subway wifi

[jgb]

20 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said:

Its not? If you can direct me to the place where you CAN feel empathy for a twenty two year old kid who did something stupid while drunk hat has ruined his life, I'll go there.

Have you ever driven drunk or tipsy? Has anyone you know done so? I'm sure its happened and you didn't call them a human piece of garbage only because they had the luck not to kill someone.

Emotions are going to be strong now, which is understandable. However, it's not the act that makes one redeemable or not; it's what they do afterward. This we will not know for a long time.

[Sarge4Tide]

10 hours ago, Greenseed4 said:

 

Some pictures from happier times

http://www.dreamworksmotorsports.com/henry-ruggs-chevy-corvette-stingray

 

 

[Warfish]

14 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said:

On the same token, if your mom, wife or daughter made this mistake, your life would be forever altered negatively.  And you’d likely have a different perspective than you do on this particular situation.

Drunk drivers who kill people did not "make a mistake", they made a choice.  

They do not deserve our pity and they are not victims, no matter who they are.  Or how much we love them. 

Or how good they were at some kids sport.

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Whether anyone feels sorry for Ruggs is really insignificant.  There are many lives ruined.  This shouldn’t turn into a “I’m right, you’re wrong” pissing match.   

This is what the "but I really, really love famous athletes and care vastly more about them than the actual victim they killed, they were a nobody anyway" contingent of sportsfandom usually says in these situations.  Amazing what people will convince themselves of, really. 

Ruggs isn't a victim here.  He murdered an innocent 23 year old girl and caused her to be burned alive.  

I'll pass on your 'there is no right or wrong' moral equivalence argument, thanks.  There most assuredly IS a right and a wrong here. 

I'd say more, but it's probably best I drop out of this thread before I do.

[maury77]

8 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Those fires are typically caused by a fault in the 47kW hybrid battery, typically from faulty charging practices or battery "runaway". Hyundai and Kia have been notorious for it the last few years, Toyota not as frequent but not unheard of. 

 

The fire in this case more likely than not a result of fuel tank/line breach and ignited fuels. Once the fuel get ls going, cars light up fast and intense. Modern cars are actually very flammable.  Tye last Vehicle Fire Investigation class I taught, we put a bag of chips on the floor by the pedals of a car and lit it with a BBQ lighter (no other accelerates were used). Within 2 minutes the car was fully involved and resulted in a full "burn out".

Putting my own lawyer hat on here, this is where I think the defense is going to focus their case, that the fire was due to an issue with the battery, which caused the fire, thus Ruggs's drunk driving was not the sole cause of her death. I AM NOT excusing or defending Ruggs in any way, shape or form, I am solely trying to share the perspective of someone who works in this "industry". 

[Jet_Engine1]

7 minutes ago, maury77 said:

Putting my own lawyer hat on here, this is where I think the defense is going to focus their case, that the fire was due to an issue with the battery, which caused the fire, thus Ruggs's drunk driving was not the sole cause of her death. I AM NOT excusing or defending Ruggs in any way, shape or form, I am solely trying to share the perspective of someone who works in this "industry". 

A solid investigation will refute that easily by analyzing burn patterns and points of origin through material analysis, which will more likely than not rule out that hypothesis. Hybrid batteries are usually located directly behind the rear seat, below a horizontal firewall between the passenger compartment and trunk. 

 

Determining the point of origin should be relatively simple. While the ignition source may be electrical, the cause will most likely be high energy collision/impact. Fire determination under NFPA 921 will probably be listed as 'accidental', but due to gross negligence or disregard. 

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

46 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said:

Its not? If you can direct me to the place where you CAN feel empathy for a twenty two year old kid who did something stupid while drunk hat has ruined his life, I'll go there.

Have you ever driven drunk or tipsy? Has anyone you know done so? I'm sure its happened and you didn't call them a human piece of garbage only because they had the luck not to kill someone.

No. I haven't. I am not a piece of human garbage. I don't put the life of others in my drunken hands. This story has been told a million times, and the players were educated on drunk driving. They have a free car service for when you cannot drive, but selfish Henry Ruggs chose manslaughter. 

[munchmemory]

Just now, Jet_Engine1 said:

A solid investigation will refute that easily by analyzing burn patterns and points of origin through material analysis, which will more likely than not rule out that hypothesis. Hybrid batteries are usually located directly behind the rear seat, below a horizontal firewall between the passenger compartment and trunk. 

 

Determining the point of origin should be relatively simple. While the ignition source may be electrical, the cause will most likely be high energy collision/impact. Fire determination under NFPA 921 will probably be listed as 'accidentally but due to gross negligence or disregard. 

As always, thanks very much for your informed response.   As I was reading your post, I thought that I could not imagine the horrific scenes you and other first responders have witnessed.  Thanks for all you do, JE1.

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

Just for the record, I am not sh*tting on anyone who had a couple of beers and then did a hyper-vigilant drive home. This piece of sh*t was drunk and speeding in his sports car. 

[Jetsfan80]

14 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

Just for the record, I am not sh*tting on anyone who had a couple of beers and then did a hyper-vigilant drive home. This piece of sh*t was drunk and speeding in his sports car. 

Exactly.  Huge difference.  When young and stupid I once got pulled and blew a 0.03.  I was driving carefully and it was not over the legal limit, and the officer didn't ticket me for anything I was doing.  But I still felt lousy about it and vowed never to do that again.  And I didn't.

[Gastineau Lives]

33 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

No. I haven't. I am not a piece of human garbage. I don't put the life of others in my drunken hands. This story has been told a million times, and the players were educated on drunk driving. They have a free car service for when you cannot drive, but selfish Henry Ruggs chose manslaughter. 

This human piece of garbage...born that way or raised that way?

It can only be one or the other. There is no choice C.

 

[Gastineau Lives]

32 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

Just for the record, I am not sh*tting on anyone who had a couple of beers and then did a hyper-vigilant drive home. This piece of sh*t was drunk and speeding in his sports car. 

You know when women are inebriated to a certain degree, they are no longer responsible, sexually, for their actions, legally.