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Elijah Moore is awesome!

The Jets have great 2nd and 3rd string QBs. 

We found out why Mims has been on the bench?

20 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Nope, hey feel any way you want, this is not the same offense.

With wilson it was hand off into the line twice.

Also lots of drops.

I'm not saying wilson will be great or even good but the offense is vastly different in form and calls.

i agree.

this is the 2nd week we started out with like 8 or more straight passes. when Zack was here it was like you said , run, run, pass...

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56 minutes ago, Shelbyblue said:

I can’t get past how bad the defense played…..sorry!

I will say this. Until the Mike White injury he looked like a good starting NFL QB. He was most definitely passing the eye test. But of course he has to get injured. I am not saying we shouldn't go back to Zach or that he is in the same world as Zach talent wise but he was poised make good quick reads and showed a lot of accuracy.

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46 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

Positive thread, guys. We have eleventy hundred negative threads to post about our grievances with this organization. 

Unfortunately , these are the positives.

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9 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Nope, hey feel any way you want, this is not the same offense.

With wilson it was hand off into the line twice.

Also lots of drops.

I'm not saying wilson will be great or even good but the offense is vastly different in form and calls.

It will be interesting to see, after watching White and Johsnon being able to move the ball and score points, if Zach can come in and do that or is it gonna sputter again. These past two weeks will just make it easier for us to see where the problems lies.

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5 minutes ago, Darnold615 said:

What I am really happy about is maybe we have a legit offensive coordinator and system. Everyone wanted to hate on mike… but hopefully this is best case scenario for Zack. Played and initially sucked… gets to see how the system really works from the sidelines… and maybe he can come back and execute it 

Doesn't hurt for Wilson to now know there are 2 competent options behind him.

Competition brings out the best.

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when was ther last time the jets scored 30+ points two weeks in a row?  of course this was overshadowed by the poor run defense.  this is especially troubling because the jets are supposed to have a good run defense.  but they got chewed up.  the oline is still not that great.  johnson was able to throw the ball but the oline wasn't pass or run blocking anywhere near as good as the dolts.

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1 hour ago, Zachtomims47 said:

It will be interesting to see, after watching White and Johsnon being able to move the ball and score points, if Zach can come in and do that or is it gonna sputter again. These past two weeks will just make it easier for us to see where the problems lies.

At least part of Wilson’s problem is that he wants a home run on every play.  He does play fast and has a quick release but rarely takes the easy pass for 5-6 yards.  He probably thought he could come in and start winging it downfield like he did in BYU every week and wi ROY.  He’s trying to create those plays rather than taking what the defense give him and having those off schedule plays present themselves from defenses adjusting to stop the shorter passing game.  I don’t think it’s his accuracy, i think it’s his decision making that needs the most adjusting.  Perhaps watching these backup qbs run the offense without flash or fanfare will help him turn the corner.

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We have better talent and depth at QB than we have for some time.  Darnold and Morgan are distant memories, the guys we have are significantly better. Our rookie has a lot of talent but clearly still needs to learn to play within the system, while our backups play within the system to maximise their talents.

We also have really good strength and depth at WR - the best we have had for many years. Our depth here is so good that even a probable 2nd round miss with Mims doesn't look like hurting the team too badly at all.

The Oline is improving, and looks a lot better with a QB making quicker decisions.

Michael Carter was a great value draft pick.  As was Michael Carter.

Not too many positives on D from yesterday, although our young and unheralded Corners continue to perform above expectations.

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1 minute ago, mrcoops said:

We have better talent and depth at QB than we have for some time.  Darnold and Morgan are distant memories, the guys we have are significantly better. Our rookie has a lot of talent but clearly still needs to learn to play within the system, while our backups play within the system to maximise their talents.

We also have really good strength and depth at WR - the best we have had for many years. Our depth here is so good that even a probably 2nd round miss with Mims doesn't look like hurting the team too badly at all.

The Oline is improving, and looks a lot better with a QB making quicker decisions.

Michael Carter was a great value draft pick.  As was Michael Carter.

Not too many positives on D from yesterday, although our young and unheralded Corners continue to perform above expectations.

which is why we're all going to be sitting there during the first round of the draft, both commending and lamenting when the jets go defense 2x in the first round.  

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2 hours ago, Zachtomims47 said:

It will be interesting to see, after watching White and Johsnon being able to move the ball and score points, if Zach can come in and do that or is it gonna sputter again. These past two weeks will just make it easier for us to see where the problems lies.

Johnson looked terrible, worse than Zach ever did until the game got out of hand.

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1. second week in a row that the offense had played well:

  • touchdown in 1st Quarter
  • good play calling
  • 400+ yards and TDs

It appears that the offense has arrived. Instead of giving all of the credit to White and Johnson (they deserve much), let's rejoice in the fact that the Jets finally appear to be building an offense that any quality QB can score points with. In the past we couldn't score points, or the offense didn't match the QB skills, or the QB needed to be a top 5 QB. This offense seems to have a good direction (I hope this isn't just an aberration).

2. We have a reality check about how good (or not) our D is. We are having a serious problem with stoping strong running games especially with teams with good OL. Not sure if it OLBs, speed, what, but needs to be addressed - hopefully we can follow LaFleur's lead and change something.

3. We are a young, and inexperienced team, coming off a big win on a short week with travel. Travel woes, and up and down are signal of young, inexperienced teams - positive? this can be fixed with experience and team work - we were not going anywhere this year anyway - time to learn how to win on the road after a big win. Consistency - also, the D did stop a goal line stand, and played well last week.

4. This team never gave up. If not for the tipped pass at the end of the game, we were an onside kick and a drive away from coming back with our #3 QB at the helm - odds really long, but this team regrouped and pushed hard and never gave up - this isn't the same ass kicking we got from the Pats.

5. JD built a team with a strong enough QB depth to compete in a game we really should have lost. And, many of the draft picks, especially this year, are coming alone nicely.

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Just now, bostonmajet said:

1. second week in a row that the offense had played well:

  • touchdown in 1st Quarter
  • good play calling
  • 400+ yards and TDs

It appears that the offense has arrived. Instead of giving all of the credit to White and Johnson (they deserve much), let's rejoice in the fact that the Jets finally appear to be building an offense that any quality QB can score points with. In the past we couldn't score points, or the offense didn't match the QB skills, or the QB needed to be a top 5 QB. This offense seems to have a good direction (I hope this isn't just an aberration).

2. We have a reality check about how good (or not) our D is. We are having a serious problem with stoping strong running games especially with teams with good OL. Not sure if it OLBs, speed, what, but needs to be addressed - hopefully we can follow LaFleur's lead and change something.

3. We are a young, and inexperienced team, coming off a big win on a short week with travel. Travel woes, and up and down are signal of young, inexperienced teams - positive? this can be fixed with experience and team work - we were not going anywhere this year anyway - time to learn how to win on the road after a big win. Consistency - also, the D did stop a goal line stand, and played well last week.

4. This team never gave up. If not for the tipped pass at the end of the game, we were an onside kick and a drive away from coming back with our #3 QB at the helm - odds really long, but this team regrouped and pushed hard and never gave up - this isn't the same ass kicking we got from the Pats.

5. JD built a team with a strong enough QB depth to compete in a game we really should have lost. And, many of the draft picks, especially this year, are coming alone nicely.

the defense comes out flat every game, giving up chunks of yards most every play.  the offense has decent playmakers but could use a mauler in the middle to facilitate the run game.  

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12 hours ago, Jets Voice of Reason said:

The contrast makes it easy to see how badly Wilson was butchering the offense by holding the ball way too long, trying to go deep on everything, forcing it to Corey Davis instead of giving the offense what was giving him, and being unreliably inaccurate with his mechanics. This offensive system Is actually qb friendly so hopefully some of this sinks in for him. if nothing else, for me as a fan, I can read less excuses about how the offensive talent sucks and no one could succeed out there, when in actuality, the qb forced it down mid every game. 

It’s also refreshing to see that Lafleur finally realized two things:

1)This offense operates way better with 3 and 4 WR sets, especially early in the game. I.e we need better TEs and an Oline that can run block. 

2) The pass has to set up the run and not vice versa. (Again, need a better IOL to make the offense really work as intended) 

As far as the defense goes, the weakness against wide zone is always going to be against the run. There are huge running lanes created where linebackers are supposed to crash and fill the gaps, but that is clearly not happening, making things look pretty ugly. That being said, they are pushovers every road game and it’s pretty tiresome to watch. The team really needed Lawson healthy this year and honestly badly needs upgrades at all levels. 

 

 

 

Good post. To touch on the bold, Zach knows he is holding onto it waiting for Davis because without seeing it mentioned too much in the press or here, he has brought it up himself in multiple press conferences to defend it saying he was just going through his reads. Now we know that’s bullsh*t or hes slow. Get rid of the ******* ball!

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1. Mike LaFleur has quieted a lot of critics. Just five days ago many fans thought he was the biggest problem with this team. That has been firmly put to rest. He can gameplan and he can call a good game. 

2. Offensive rookies: Carter, Moore, and AVT are hits. Hopefully all three are Jets for a long time.

3. Mike White. The injury is disappointing but he looked good for the one quarter he played against a more aggressive defense. 

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Just now, Coffee Is Great said:

1. Mike LaFleur has quieted a lot of critics. Just five days ago many fans thought he was the biggest problem with this team. That has been firmly put to rest. He can gameplan and he can call a good game. 

2. Offensive rookies: Carter, Moore, and AVT are hits. Hopefully all three are Jets for a long time.

3. Mike White. The injury is disappointing but he looked good for the one quarter he played against a more aggressive defense. 

at this point it's hard to say how much of the improvement is due to white being good and wilson sucking.  

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Lots of offensive positives for sure.

 

Still we’ve nearly conceded 100 points the last two road games and that’s terrifying.

But offensively, maybe the emergence of white to take pressure off Wilson could be big. Receivers understand their routes a bit better and Moore potentially showing signs of being a WR1 going forward are always good.

Yes we conceded 45, and I never want to accept mediocrity, but the last two games have had enjoyable moments, something the Jets have not had for a long time. Maybe that’s my eternal optimism speaking but that’s at least exciting.

So much inconsistency though. Imagine the scenes if the whole team turned up each week instead of just the D or the O.

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13 hours ago, Zachtomims47 said:

Moore. Carter. Lefluer. 

Knowing we need to focus mostly on defense this offseason and not the offense. 

Hopefully we get another young offensive  lineman that we can plug-in…

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19 minutes ago, Smashmouth said:

The Colts played us tight until the last drive 

Come on, really? I thought we just covered this in the last exchange.

Johnson scores points when it's a complete blow out...he looks great.

Zach score points when the team is down 10 - and, oh, the other teams were playing soft.

Are you not seeing a theme here?  It really is silly at this point.

There are just so many people on JN that dug their heels on disliking Zach that they don't even realize how unfair they're being about his performance.

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4 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Come on, really? I thought we just covered this in the last exchange.

Johnson scores points when it's a complete blow out...he looks great.

Zach score points when the team is down 10 - and, oh, the other teams were playing soft.

Are you not seeing a theme here?  It really is silly at this point.

There are just so many people on JN that dug their heels on disliking Zach that they don't even realize how unfair they're being about his performance.

I don't see a theme because I disagree Zach had plenty of time to get it in his head to take the short stuff to open things up down field obviously he didn't do that and it cost him hopefully he learned from that.. When it comes to yesterday the Colts did not let up until there was about 5 minutes left. Also of the throws Johnson was making were in some tight windows and he did a good job

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