Rhg1084 Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 I mean I know we lost Lawson, but this is one of the worst defenses of all time! What the heck is going on?!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Prodigal Syndicate Posted November 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2021 Joe Douglas is bad at drafting and bad at free agency and shipped out any decent player we had. What you're seeing is the fruits of his work. 6 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Joe W. Namath Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Cause the y are young and missing big time players at a few spots. That will be shored up through the draft and free agency the next 2 years and we will be an excellent defense for our 2023 super bowl run. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rhg1084 Posted November 14, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Prodigal Syndicate said: Joe Douglas is bad at drafting and bad at free agency and shipped out any decent player we had. What you're seeing is the fruits of his work. Please tell me you’re not referring to Jamal or Leonard Williams? Those 2 guys would not have made a difference 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Cause the y are young and missing big time players at a few spots. That will be shored up through the draft and free agency the next 2 years and we will be an excellent defense for our 2023 super bowl run.Oh ok. Now we are switching back to needing top 5 picks along the defensive front again. Everyone says we need them on the OL too. Ita going to take until 2025 to get all these top 5 picks together so we dont give up 500 yards a game. Remember how we were told you can’t rebuild through free agency? Well NE just did it in one offseason. So try again, Joe Douglas.Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HawkeyeJet Posted November 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2021 No one wants to hear this but injuries are a big part of it. Both starting safeties are gone, planned pieces at OLB and Lawson and Huff all out. Those are significant losses. Based on what is on the field right now however, I think the biggest reason is our Linebackers stink. Specifically the 2 outside backers. 15 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 No one wants to hear this but injuries are a big part of it. Both starting safeties are gone, planned pieces at OLB and Lawson and Huff all out. Those are significant losses. Based on what is on the field right now however, I think the biggest reason is our Linebackers stink. Specifically the 2 outside backers. Yeah well generally teams have this thing called depth on their roster. Maybe the Jets should try and give it a shot sometime.Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Peace Frog Posted November 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2021 Prez would make this a top 32 defense. 1 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lith Posted November 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2021 1 minute ago, HawkeyeJet said: No one wants to hear this but injuries are a big part of it. Both starting safeties are gone, planned pieces at OLB and Lawson and Huff all out. Those are significant losses. Based on what is on the field right now however, I think the biggest reason is our Linebackers stink. Specifically the 2 outside backers. Injuries are part of it. Also, we seem to bite on any type of misdirection, and get gashed for huge gains going back against the grain. And today at least, scheme seemed to be an issue. How you could have Javelin Guidry on Stefon Diggs with no help is beyond me. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hael Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Product of not knowing the scheme. Players not fitting the scheme. Lack of top end talent. Major components missing (eg Lawson, Maye) and just generally lots of youth. As far as im concerned, our lb core should be shipped out and replaced over the offseason, b/c they simply don't fit this scheme at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Jet Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 12 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: No one wants to hear this but injuries are a big part of it. Both starting safeties are gone, planned pieces at OLB and Lawson and Huff all out. Those are significant losses. Based on what is on the field right now however, I think the biggest reason is our Linebackers stink. Specifically the 2 outside backers. Stop making sense 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Product of not knowing the scheme. Players not fitting the scheme. Lack of top end talent. Major components missing (eg Lawson, Maye) and just generally lots of youth. As far as im concerned, our lb core should be shipped out and replaced over the offseason, b/c they simply don't fit this scheme at all.You build the scheme to fit your players. Not the other way around. There may be a piece or two that will never fit. But not 500 yards a game worth.Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Syndicate Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 21 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said: Please tell me you’re not referring to Jamal or Leonard Williams? Those 2 guys would not have made a difference Which defense was better, the one with jamal and Leo, or this one? 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 13 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: No one wants to hear this but injuries are a big part of it. Both starting safeties are gone, planned pieces at OLB and Lawson and Huff all out. Those are significant losses. Based on what is on the field right now however, I think the biggest reason is our Linebackers stink. Specifically the 2 outside backers. I agree that Joyner and Maye are tough losses. I think the plan to play all the young kids at corner was because they had experience behind them with Joyner and Maye. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Loads of rookies Totally underachieving vets and a big part of it is terrible scheme. I see no evidence of all gas no brakes on he field i see guys petrified, not heading to the ball. You also cannot underestimate just how important turnovers are we generate very few. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Vader Posted November 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2021 24 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: Cause the y are young and missing big time players at a few spots. That will be shored up through the draft and free agency the next 2 years and we will be an excellent defense for our 2023 super bowl run. That’s not the reason. Offenses now know that the Jets DL wide alignment and deep LBs will cause the DL to get caved. OLs have multiple OL at the second level, every run play. The Jets LBs take terrible angles, cant tackle and get engulfed. They overpursue, the defense over commits and the O runs counter traps and naked bootlegs game in game out and there’s no adjustment. The safeties cant tackle, cant cover and are always out of position. The CBS are actually decent but the depths is thin and they should not be playing man with no help when overmatched by like Diggs. Otherwise everything is great. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Nicco Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Bad coaching- see Guidry on island vs diggs 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight89 Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 No talent. Bad coaching. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Syndicate Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 https://mobile.twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1460028784262983684 The Jets have allowed 1,890 yards in the last four games. It's the most yards allowed in a four-game span in team history, per @ESPNStatsInfo . Previous was 1,860 in 1963. #Jets 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icer Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 The Seattle scheme has been figured out for years It needs the Dline to dominate the game to be effective, and our Dline is mediocre at best LBs are slow, and Jarrad Davis is a downgrade over Quincy Our safeties are garbage bin pick ups Corners are rookies or second year players, and actually the least problematic unit 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 17 minutes ago, Anthony Jet said: Stop making sense One of the greatest concert films ever. Nobody could rock a big suit quite like David Byrne. Although I don't think that is what you are referring to. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 20 minutes ago, Lith said: Injuries are part of it. Also, we seem to bite on any type of misdirection, and get gashed for huge gains going back against the grain. And today at least, scheme seemed to be an issue. How you could have Javelin Guidry on Stefon Diggs with no help is beyond me. Over pursuing from the linebackers is a real issue. Bills knew it and exploited it too. The Jets DL isn’t the type and don’t appear to be asked to just keep the LOS stationary and let the LBs flow and make all the tackles. Jets DL is asked to attack and penetrate, which should mean the LBs are very strict with gap discipline, but they aren’t. Scheme ego is what gets coaches fired, to your point on Guidry. It’s also(or lack of) that makes Belichick such a great defensive coach. Regardless of his pieces on defense, he will make sure your best guy doesn’t beat them. And against a team like the Bills whose secondary weapons are iffy, it makes all the sense in the world. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Talent coaching and effort are all a trifecta of awful. It has to be to be to be on pace for one of the worst defenses in league history. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fltflo Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Glad I was in Paris and missed both the Canes giving up a 59 yard pass play on 4th and 14 to lose to a crappy FSU team. Then today checking the score on today’s Bills game to see a final 45-17 score. This is not even mentioning the Knicks starting to suck again as well. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 We lack any kind of talent across all 3 levels. What should be depth, is starting andddd that’s not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSNY Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Too me these wide gaps are the major problem as they offer absolutely no protection to the linebackers who are way too light especially inside. 300 + O lineman running free towards a 235 pound linebacker is is recipe for disaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FactsOnly Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Because you’ve got a Circus Freak posing as a Head Coach fire the clown and see the improvement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevisIsland610 Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 53 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said: Please tell me you’re not referring to Jamal or Leonard Williams? Those 2 guys would not have made a difference This is not true. They would have added about 37 million to the cap and then not made a difference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 This is not true. They would have added about 37 million to the cap and then not made a difference. I understand that part of the argument and I agree with it. But otoh not a single thing was done so far to use that cap or the picks to bring an impact player here on defense. And I dont want to hear about Carl Lawson. Dude is an edge rusher who played for the Bengals.Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornJetsFan1983 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 roster, injuries, and the fact we were up against one of the very best offenses in football. I like all the comments from people like just adjust the game plan...what exactly would that adjustment be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 roster, injuries, and the fact we were up against one of the very best offenses in football. I like all the comments from people like just adjust the game plan...what exactly would that adjustment be? Well it wasnt just one game. This has been most of the season. All you really need to know about this coaching staff was summed up by leaving Guidry one on one with Diggs. Its a constant lack of adjustment, a constant putting guys in bad position. Just terrible coaching.Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevisIsland610 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, RSJ said: I understand that part of the argument and I agree with it. But otoh not a single thing was done so far to use that cap or the picks to bring an impact player here on defense. And I dont want to hear about Carl Lawson. Dude is an edge rusher who played for the Bengals. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app But Lawson was a big loss and would have helped a great deal. The first 4 picks last year were to help an underachieving offense and rightly so. I think more money will be spent on defensive help this off season as well as the draft considering how God awful this defense has been. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 58 minutes ago, RSJ said: Oh ok. Now we are switching back to needing top 5 picks along the defensive front again. Everyone says we need them on the OL too. Ita going to take until 2025 to get all these top 5 picks together so we dont give up 500 yards a game. Remember how we were told you can’t rebuild through free agency? Well NE just did it in one offseason. So try again, Joe Douglas. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Yeah this is the other side of the coin of starting so many rookies at once. I'm good with trading down to keep doubling up in round 1 or more in '23, but how many rookies and 2nd year players do we really want to start every year? At least when it's a normal class it goes without saying that we usually expect nothing to come out of about the latter half of picks, especially in rounds 5-7 (at least for a couple years, or on & off the field as role players). This coming year there are two 1sts, two 2nds, a 3rd, and two 4ths. Most fans expect starters in the first 2 rounds (realistic or not), and at least for 1 of the 3 picks in rounds 3-4. So what is that, 5 more rookies we're supposed to field next year? You think this team is a bit too young now? Wait until a handful more veteran starters get replaced by rookies. They'll be running into each other. The team needs a mix. This isn't to say "competitive rebuild" where we go balls-deep on FAs whose careers are almost over. It's that you can't have babies learning from/alongside babies. Not to be outdone, we're doing this with almost an all-rookie coaching staff. Blind leading the blind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Peace Frog said: Prez would make this a top 32 defense. Post of the month candidate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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