TuscanyTile2 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 13 hours ago, phill1c said: I'm the first to admit. I don't know anything...about how a defense can get 7 sacks and play the run effectively one week and other weeks look like they aren't playing ANY DTs or DEs, getting bulldozed inside and setting no edges outside, for hundreds of rushing yards. The Jets were last in both yards and points. It was embarrassing. But I think I understand some of the issues: The DL is made to penetrate, not necessarily play like Dallas's Flex defense, which was very effective against the run. Getting their asses beat by better players Not having any semblance of an offense, it's gotta wear you out. That said, I was very disappointed with the entire defense, Quinnen Williams was No. 2 on my list of culprits next to JFM and Fatukasi and Shepard. I mean, you name a defensive player and I was disappointed. It looks a little better so I'm off the ledge. Still very disappointed with the interior of the defense... Our D looked good against the crappy Texans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 He’s a DT, period. They flash and disappear all the time, it’s the nature of the position. The difference in game impact of a top tier like Q is to an avg guy like JFM is nominal and the reason I strongly disagree with drafting DT so highly and even more so giving them a 2nd contract. To me the DT position is like RB, it’s just not worth investing heavily unless you have D Henry or A Donald respectively. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmhertz Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 He really doesn't play hard enough. There are plays where he shows little effort chasing the ball or quits early on the pass rush. this is what make D linemen great their all out effort to make the play until the whistle blows. I was hoping Saleh's All gas mantra would penetrate. He did seem to play harder against the Texans, hopefully Robert got on his case 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 On 11/15/2021 at 10:29 AM, Warfish said: QW is a JAG. Like most of our supposed "best players", he's far more fan-hype-hot-air that anything resembling great play on the field. He's Mims but on Defense. Here's to hoping mims has a similar trajectory 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymangold Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Barry McCockinner said: Here's to hoping mims has a similar trajectory this your thing today? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 5 minutes ago, heymangold said: this your thing today? I was wondering why you'd ask this. On 11/15/2021 at 10:36 AM, heymangold said: remember when everyone got so upset that it was proposed trading QW for Watson? the board nearly had a meltdown! i'd still go back to trade this sack of potatoes for watson, even with the accusations levied against him. maybe it's time for the jets to stop drafting defensive linemen. QW, Leo, Sheldon, Wilkerson - all high draft picks and are total losers. then I read this and it all made sense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJet Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 5 minutes ago, heymangold said: this your thing today? This kind of stuff always makes me chuckle...I can barely remember what I posted on the board just yesterday...let alone what someone else posted a year ago.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 13 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: Here's to hoping mims has a similar trajectory Lets hope so. Anytime a guy makes a huge improvement for us, it's a good thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Just now, Warfish said: Lets hope so. Anytime a guy makes a huge improvement for us, it's a good thing. I think we all write off the ability of younger players to develop sometimes. Some take longer than others - they're not all going to come out of the gate like this years draft class. I'm as guilty of it as anyone else - it's easy to look at the current production and come to the conclusion they'll never be anything more than that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Just now, Barry McCockinner said: I think we all write off the ability of younger players to develop sometimes. Some take longer than others - they're not all going to come out of the gate like this years draft class. I'm as guilty of it as anyone else - it's easy to look at the current production and come to the conclusion they'll never be anything more than that. Perhaps. But we've also been burned several times by hyped up guys who don't overly impress their first few years, turn it on fire in their first contract year, get their big payday, then never amount to anything after that. I truly hope QW is a different kind of story. Sadly, there really is no way to be sure till after the fact. But it IS a concern in my book. One good year is too small a sample for my preferences, but with QW it's likely all we'll have before having to pay him huge bucks (or let him go). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullblast Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 The weird thing is that Quinnen was good last year and in 2020 as well. Maybe not All-Pro good but consider how awful the rest of the roster was. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 He is having a mo wilkerson like bump in his play in his coming contract year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Origen Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 I think having his Bro come in and kick some ass has helped QW kick a lot more ass over the course of last year through to this season and we are seeing the results now tangibly. I think he has started figuring it out and he's going to be that guy going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 19 minutes ago, Beerfish said: He is having a mo wilkerson like bump in his play in his coming contract year. Yep, I have seen this movie before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuicidalSince98 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 On 11/15/2021 at 10:29 AM, Warfish said: QW is a JAG. Like most of our supposed "best players", he's far more fan-hype-hot-air that anything resembling great play on the field. He's Mims but on Defense. Nice take Lombardi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymangold Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Barry McCockinner said: I was wondering why you'd ask this. then I read this and it all made sense. i'd still do it. lets face it - i'd rather have mike white running the offense, probably still sitting at 5-3 with the hopes of watson coming back in a couple weeks then a DT. also, that post was from a year ago. i think if you did more poking around, you'd find a lot of people with similar thoughts. QW hasn't been this good his entire career. I'm not hiding from the fact I've disliked QW's performances - he's proven myself and a ton of other people wrong. seems a bit fishy that it's in a contract year - probably end up signing him for big money and get burned, just like with Mo Wilk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, SuicidalSince98 said: Nice take Lombardi Handle: SuicidalSince98 H/W: 6'3, 161 lbs Hobbies include: alienation, bad takes and wiffle ball favorite food: Gourmet style corndogs Catchphrase: Nice take Lombardi trivia: only wears plaid 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Beerfish said: He is having a mo wilkerson like bump in his play in his coming contract year. Sadly I think this is probably the case Once they pay him, don’t be surprised if his production and fitness drop asymptotically towards zero 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 1 thread wasn't enough to discuss Quinnen, you had to bump another one, @Barry McCockinner? It's like Quinnen Williams is all you want to talk about lately! Give it a rest! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: 1 thread wasn't enough to discuss Quinnen, you had to bump another one, @Barry McCockinner? It's like Quinnen Williams is all you want to talk about lately! Give it a rest! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawngnome o-line Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 15 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said: Sadly I think this is probably the case Once they pay him, don’t be surprised if his production and fitness drop asymptotically towards zero The problem is he isn't going into his contract year, he has 1.5 years left. And even then, you can franchise him. So if by 2024, you aren't sure he is the guy worthy of $20M a year, franchise him for a year and see where it goes. He's only 24, he's not even in his prime yet, so there is plenty of time and space to go. I think we as a fan base were hoping for this QW from day one, instead we saw a 7-10 best DT for 2-3 years around injuries. Now he's playing like a top 2 DT and meeting our high expectations. It is good to see, and I can understand the hesitancy on a long term deal, but he hasn't been as bad as others make him out to be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 On 11/15/2021 at 10:29 AM, Warfish said: QW is a JAG. Like most of our supposed "best players", he's far more fan-hype-hot-air that anything resembling great play on the field. He's Mims but on Defense. I'll save this gem for a rainy day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 1 hour ago, PepPep said: I'll save this gem for a rainy day. Be my guest. As of the date of that post, it was spot on. You will never see me run from my takes. If they're dumb, I own them. Just ask Patrick Ramsey, lol. At the time, it wasn't dumb. He's had a hell of a breakout so far this year, and he should be applauded for it. But it doesn't undo the previous three seasons of mostly forgettable or workmanlike-at-best play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undertow Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Playing the "I told ya so" game with Q is lame....he was a solid player for 4 years and he's broken out....people were a bit disappointed considering where he was drafted and the history of drafting the position and now they aren't...... cool beans you got everyone. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSNY Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 6 hours ago, Paradis said: Handle: SuicidalSince98 H/W: 6'3, 161 lbs Hobbies include: alienation, bad takes and wiffle ball favorite food: Gourmet style corndogs Catchphrase: Nice take Lombardi trivia: only wears plaid SIGN THIS BEAST!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jNYC1 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Many dominant d-linemen break out in years 3 or 4… the big exception was Aaron Donald. I think Q is on the right trajectory… and have never heard/seen any legitimate work ethic concerns. Big 2nd contract always a risk, but all signs point to “pay that man.” 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungaman Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 7 hours ago, fullblast said: The weird thing is that Quinnen was good last year and in 2020 as well. Maybe not All-Pro good but consider how awful the rest of the roster was. This. Individual players tend to play better themselves when they don't have to worry (a lot) about whether the guy next to them can hold up their responsibilities. Then they can focus on just what they have to do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 2 hours ago, Warfish said: Be my guest. As of the date of that post, it was spot on. You will never see me run from my takes. If they're dumb, I own them. Just ask Patrick Ramsey, lol. At the time, it wasn't dumb. He's had a hell of a breakout so far this year, and he should be applauded for it. But it doesn't undo the previous three seasons of mostly forgettable or workmanlike-at-best play. Wait, Patrick Ramsey is even aware of you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 51 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Wait, Patrick Ramsey is even aware of you? How do you know I'M not Patrick Ramsey? Maybe I was just talking myself up, trying to get fans to like me after the tough run I had in D.C. Maybe I'm still bitter I never got my shot behind that eggy noodle-arm.... .... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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