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Expansion to 40 teams isn’t as crazy as it sounds


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17 minutes ago, Ecuadorian Jet said:

If you have 40 teams, as I have said, the only way that I see it working is with a relegation system. And if that happens, teams will finally, finally be penalized for tanking. And that will be a great idea

Why would owners vote: (a) to dilute the TV revenue dollars by an additional 25% and (b) for the chance they get booted to the turd league after every season?

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6 hours ago, CSNY said:

Let’s Water down the talent even more throughout the league. Hell maybe Hackenburg would finally get his first NFL snap

I’m not just worried about the player talent level dropping.  The officiating sucks now.  Imagine adding 4 more crappy officiating teams to the mix.

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Sounds like a great idea.  The skills of the players improve every year, "bad player" is a term relative to era.

 

Don't like the premiere league idea, Americans don't think like this.  Add Mexico City, two in Canada,  two in UK, two in Germany and an extra one somewhere which looks promising.  The guys on this board have to stop being so automatically negative.

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7 hours ago, jgb said:

Why would owners vote: (a) to dilute the TV revenue dollars by an additional 25% and (b) for the chance they get booted to the turd league after every season?

Because most of them are old and they sell the franchises and pocket a few billion up front to pass on to Woody Jr.   

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11 minutes ago, OilfieldJet said:

It won’t just be dilution of player talent, can you imagine how bad the officiating would be?

 

Expansion would work if they allocated TV and streaming revenue based on wins. 

Officials should then be hired as full time employees of the NFL. As they should now. 

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3 hours ago, jgb said:

whut 

Let me restate.  When a new franchise comes into the NFL that franchise is purchased by a new owner.  That money goes to the current owners.   They may be dilluting the future cap gain on their own franchise only if it impacts the value of their own franchise negatively.   So far expansion hasn't dilluted other franchise value it's increased it as football becomes more popular through live viewership it has increase national viewership and TV revenue. 

The current owners would get billions to split between them with the sale of 8 new francises.   Granted on an annual basis they would get less in shared revenue but income today is worth more than income tomorrow.  

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14 hours ago, Ecuadorian Jet said:

this would make more sense if the league moves to a Serie A and Serie B like format, so awful teams such as the Jets are buried in Serie B and truly have to fight their way out to be promoted to the "premiere" league. So in a way, the Jets who were part of the reason the AFL and NFL joined, could be now part of the reason for a split.

Well, teams like the Jets would become part of the little league, no?

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14 hours ago, rox said:

-  If/when the NFL offers St. Louis an expansion team in an effort to resolve the Rams relocation litigation, the league wouldn’t move to an odd number of teams. The league would add a second team, if it adds a first one.Which gives rise to a bigger question. How many more teams could the NFL eventually add?

- -  Yes, 40 teams. If the expansion process from 32 begins, 40 becomes the natural ending point. That would result in eight divisions of five teams each. And it would make sense at that point to have 16 playoff teams.There could even be a preliminary round that trims a field of 20 teams to 16, with six teams in each conference getting a bye and four others playing in a new wild-card round, locking in a field of eight teams per conference.

- - -  The conversations about possibly growing to 40 teams already are happening, at the highest levels of the league. It will take time to get there, but in time it will happen. The money will make it so.

- -  https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/11/16/expansion-to-40-teams-isnt-as-crazy-as-it-sounds/

i like the idea of all divisions having 5 teams but it's not going to help the jets win more games unless they get their act together.

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13 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

A 17-week season of injuries makes rosters pretty thin for 32 teams, with so much talent dilution league-wide even when everyone's healthy.

34 would/will be even worse.

40 is some dumbass s***, no matter how much someone imagines the symmetry of updated playoff brackets. 

This.  

I think some positions could expand to cover 40 teams.  Others clearly cannot.  QB.  CB.  Kicker.  

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There were 26 teams in the league in 1972. In other words, they’ve only added six teams over the last 50 years. Hard to imagine that this is much more than a pipe dream. Young people today don’t care as much about sports. Hard to imagine this generation supporting a 40 team league. 

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5 minutes ago, slats said:

There were 26 teams in the league in 1972. In other words, they’ve only added six teams over the last 50 years. Hard to imagine that this is much more than a pipe dream. Young people today don’t care as much about sports. Hard to imagine this generation supporting a 40 team league. 

Plus all those guys who care are dying off, wait damn. 

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13 hours ago, Ecuadorian Jet said:

If you have 40 teams, as I have said, the only way that I see it working is with a relegation system. And if that happens, teams will finally, finally be penalized for tanking. And that will be a great idea

Nice in theory, but couldn't work because of the NFL Draft.  You'd have most of the top talents going to "Serie B" teams every year and they wouldn't want that.  At least now when these college players go to bad teams high in the draft, they have a chance to play for a Super Bowl.

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With eight new teams you're talking about needing 400 additional players for rosters and eight new coaching staff. The league has a hard enough time fielding decent rosters and head coaches with the current teams. All teams will be diluted in quality of both coaches and players. 

There is very little reason for owners to want to dilute revenue and certainly no owner wants to volunteer themselves to downgrade to a second tier league. Bad teams need to play good teams to fill stadiums with opposing fans. 

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