Saleh: This is the first time this fanbase has experienced something like this. This is an actual plan.

[Barry McCockinner]

Saleh touched on a lot of big picture, rebuild stuff in todays press conference - a really good listen.

https://www.newyorkjets.com/video/robert-saleh-press-conference-11-22-week-12

These guys are laying a foundation for the future and doing things the right way. I'm wholly convinced Saleh and JD are going to turn this around.  

[Warfish]

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Saleh: This is the first time this fanbase has experienced something like this. This is an actual plan.

Well, well, guess we'll see.  In 2022.  Maybe 2023.  Possibly 2024, possibly.

[varjet]

3 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Saleh touched on a lot of big picture, rebuild stuff in todays press conference - a really good listen.

https://www.newyorkjets.com/video/robert-saleh-press-conference-11-22-week-12

These guys are laying a foundation for the future and doing things the right way. I'm wholly convinced Saleh and JD are going to turn this around.  

I think this is a much better team next year if ZW can play better.  I think we need a real backup/competition.  

I am not thinking that this is a team that competes for the Super Bowl. 

[Barry McCockinner]

Just now, Warfish said:

Well, well, guess we'll see.  In 2022.  Maybe 2023.  Possibly 2024, possibly.

the presser is worth a listen as he gets into the bigger picture rebuild stuff

[JohnnyLV]

I am not. "System"  is like the 4 letter world if the NFL.

[slimjasi]

For those hoping for a quick exit for Mr. Saleh . . . he doesn't strike me as a guy who is worried about getting fired this offseason 

 

[slimjasi]

There are some budding young pieces on this roster and we have plenty of FA money and draft capital over the next couple of years. Saleh is the least comforting part of their plan right now. 

[T0mShane]

I will agree that it’s true that Jets fans will not allow a team to rebuild, but I would like Saleh to specify at what point in his “rebuild” he plans on asking his players to tackle running backs. Thanks, Mike. I’ll hang up and listen.

[Joe W. Namath]

We have been saying this since hes been hired.  This is a slow, build through the draft process that will lead to long term success.  Joe and Robert have nailed it out of the park so far.

We are the next Patriots, Steelers and Ravens.  We will have one of the best teams in the league year and and year out.

[maury77]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the Jets bottomed out from scratch in 2017 to have a shot at a QB in 2018 (the Darnold draft). Sorry Saleh, we aren't as dumb as you think we are (well .... some of us aren't). 

[Joe W. Namath]

3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I will agree that it’s true that Jets fans will not allow a team to rebuild, but I would like Saleh to specify at what point in his “rebuild” he plans on asking his players to tackle running backs. Thanks, Mike. I’ll hang up and listen.

Wont allow a true rebuild?  Hahahaha.  Joe and Robert dont give a flying eff about jet fans and what they want.  Joe and Robert have been giving the jet fan the middle finger every chance they get and its beautiful.

[jgb]

6 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I will agree that it’s true that Jets fans will not allow a team to rebuild, but I would like Saleh to specify at what point in his “rebuild” he plans on asking his players to tackle running backs. Thanks, Mike. I’ll hang up and listen.

Won’t allow the team to rebuild. Interesting since we have been rebuilding like 35 of the last 50 years.

[T0mShane]

Just now, Joe W. Namath said:

Joe and Robert have been giving the jet fan the middle finger every chance they get

[CSNY]

It sounds all well and good but they must get the defensive fixed pronto now. Stop having the offense continually play from behind 

[Jetluv58]

5 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I will agree that it’s true that Jets fans will not allow a team to rebuild, but I would like Saleh to specify at what point in his “rebuild” he plans on asking his players to tackle running backs. Thanks, Mike. I’ll hang up and listen.

I’m sure he asks, but they are evidently incapable and are in need of A. Being replaced B Having time to develop. 

[T0mShane]

Just now, jgb said:

Won’t allow the team to rebuild. Interesting since we have been rebuilding like 35 of the last 50 years.

To a Jets fan, a “rebuild” should take six games or the billboards come out.

[slimjasi]

2 minutes ago, maury77 said:

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the Jets bottomed out from scratch in 2017 to have a shot at a QB in 2018 (the Darnold draft). Sorry Saleh, we aren't as dumb as you think we are (well .... some of us aren't). 

The basic problem there is we didn't actually bottom out in 2017. We won just enough games (5-11) to keep us from organically earning the top pick, resulting in us trading 3 second round picks to get up to #3. Then, we took the wrong QB, anyway. 

Also, we were never building a winner with Macc running the show. 

[T0mShane]

Just now, Jetluv58 said:

I’m sure he asks, but they are evidently incapable and are in need of A. Being replaced B Having time to develop. 

Who’s developing in that front seven, though?

[BornJetsFan1983]

17 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Saleh touched on a lot of big picture, rebuild stuff in todays press conference - a really good listen.

https://www.newyorkjets.com/video/robert-saleh-press-conference-11-22-week-12

These guys are laying a foundation for the future and doing things the right way. I'm wholly convinced Saleh and JD are going to turn this around.  

I love it!! We are already seeing the foundation of young players and no sign of the overwhelming monstrosity of a over paid roster in sight! Love it

[Joe W. Namath]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

To a Jets fan, a “rebuild” should take six games or the billboards come out.

And u need to sign 4 free agents and make them the highest paid players at the respective positions in the league so we are locked into horrible contract for the next few years.

[T0mShane]

Sure, we deep fried the brain of our #2 overall pick QB and held him out so we could start Joe Flacco, but it’s all part of my plan. 
 

<Plan is to give a bunch of scheme-specific 49ers players 30% over market in free agency so Saleh can recreate the defense that was #8 in points allowed one year and a disaster every other year>

[Warfish]

14 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

the presser is worth a listen as he gets into the bigger picture rebuild stuff

Perhaps so.

But isn't that "big picture rebuild stuff" much more the realm of the General Manager?

Saleh's job is to win football games.  

[FidelioJet]

He is 100% correct.  

We haven't had a GM with the courage to do it the right way.  We do now in JD.

The plan is sound - this was always going to be the worst time....

We are in a much stronger position than y'all realize.

[T0mShane]

Just now, Joe W. Namath said:

And u need to sign 4 free agents and make them the highest paid players at the respective positions in the league so we are locked into horrible contract for the next few years.

Are you referring to Maccagnan, SIR

[slimjasi]

1 minute ago, Warfish said:

Perhaps so.

But isn't that "big picture rebuild stuff" much more the realm of the General Manager?

Saleh's job is to win football games.  

This is my biggest issue with Saleh, currently. He seems too comfortable being 2-8. 

[Barry McCockinner]

Just now, Warfish said:

Perhaps so.

But isn't that "big picture rebuild stuff" much more the realm of the General Manager?

Saleh's job is to win football games.  

The GM and HC need to work together at this and be on the same page. 

Saleh's job is to install a winning program and win football games.  

[The Crusher]

5 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Perhaps so.

But isn't that "big picture rebuild stuff" much more the realm of the General Manager?

Saleh's job is to win football games.  

Or at least convince his defensive players to tackle someone. 

[Joe W. Namath]

3 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

This is my biggest issue with Saleh, currently. He seems too comfortable being 2-8. 

Of course hes comfortable.  It actually helps his program the more they lose this year.  Better draft picks.

There is 0 expectations to win this year. Next year will be a different story.

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, Barry McCockinner said:

The GM and HC need to work together at this and be on the same page. 

Saleh's job is to install a winning program and win football games.  

The hesitation you would have is Saleh is running a scheme and installing a program that marginalizes a lot of the players that are already here. If he wants a faster MLB, he should bench Mosely. If he has no use for guys like Mims and Becton, they should have traded them instead of driving their value into the ground. I get the whole idea of seeding your culture and letting it grow, but it feels like Saleh thinks he has a lot of time and an open checkbook to get it done. He can’t just coach the players he wants to coach because he thinks he has five years to flip the roster. 

[Barry McCockinner]

4 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

This is my biggest issue with Saleh, currently. He seems too comfortable being 2-8. 

He often talks about "this thing flipping" as if there's going to be some lightbulb moment for the entire team. He speaks of it confidently as if it's just a matter of time. I think he just believes in the model they're implementing and that's why the 2-8 doesn't seem to phase him. In his mind it's when, not if.

Just my take.

[Jetluv58]

9 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Who’s developing in that front seven, though?

I’m sure once Woody arrives at the correct uni-combo, we’ll see the wins start to pile-up. As for the front seven. Relax. Rome wasn’t built in a day. It’s a long six year process and we’re just getting started. There’s more to football than winning. In loss we gain humility. Without the Jets to criticize , what would we do? We’d be back to our bag of Funyuns and our Mannix re-runs. 

[Warfish]

1 minute ago, Barry McCockinner said:

The GM and HC need to work together at this and be on the same page. 

Saleh's job is to install a winning program and win football games.  

"Building a program" is the General Manager's job.  

"Executing the program" is the Head Coach's job.

Not going to belabor this point, but the more I hear from Saleh, the less faith I have in his future.

He is far too comfortable, secure and cozy sitting at 2-8 than any NFL Head Coach should be.

Even in year 2.5 of the JD "Rebuild".

[jgb]

15 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

To a Jets fan, a “rebuild” should take six games or the billboards come out.

I don’t think so. Progress just needs to be shown. 

[BornJetsFan1983]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

The hesitation you would have is Saleh is running a scheme and installing a program that marginalizes a lot of the players that are already here. If he wants a faster MLB, he should bench Mosely. If he has no use for guys like Mims and Becton, they should have traded them instead of driving their value into the ground. I get the whole idea of seeding your culture and letting it grow, but it feels like Saleh thinks he has a lot of time and an open checkbook to get it done. He can’t just coach the players he wants to coach because he thinks he has five years to flip the roster. 

bro you want to bench mosely? or at least think Saleh should? No, incorrect, just because he might want a faster MLB doenst mena he has one and even if your best players dont exactly fit the scheme you are transitioning to doesnt mean the other guys will do a better job, mosely is best player to run the plays he plays on overall. Skinny version and all.

Mims is just not a good player, not that he has no use for him and Becton is hurt, is this a troll comment I am reacting to? wtf

He is coaching everyone and using what he's got, maybe not perfect but we are supposed to not use mosely cause you dont like the guys? c'mon man. 

[Beerfish]

Bullox, Jets fans are as patient as any other team in the league and jets fans are fine with losing in a rebuild.

No one cares that we are 2-8 or whatever, we are mad because the part of the team that is supposed to be further along has been so totally atrocious it is almost unwatchable.

Just like when gase our offensive guru had a hopeless offense.

Win or look good losing.  No wins?  Fine at least be a team like Houston or Detroit who though really bad fight their asses off each week.

The Jets start a rebuild and we say fine we are bad but at least we have player x, y or z to build around.  A year later these guys stink and we are looking to draft their positions.

The fans look at things like how QB has been handled since before this year and shake their head in dismay.  The way QBs have been handled is anything but a solid logical plan.