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Those on this board that make every week appear as if it is career determining for a GM that just tore everything down at the end of 2020, a new coaching staff,  and a team full of young players are j

Correct. Everyone on the roster is basically JDs guy.  And barring about 3, they all suck. 

Look, I’m about as pessimistic about the Douglas, Saleh and Wilson trio as anyone around here. None of them are going anywhere until at least 2023.

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42 minutes ago, JTJet said:

...And he was able to do what GMs do during the 2019 season. 

If he had the draft in 2019 or not is irrelevant to the length of his contract. 

Woody will be looking at his contract and comparing it to how much progress has been made relative to how long JD has been employed, which is zero as of right now. 

When it comes time to make that decision, if we continue to suck, he ain't honoring the full contract. 

Really?  

Like free agency?  No

Like the draft?  Nope

Those GM things that GMs do

Woody will judge him on what he does from 2020 on.  As he should.  You can repeat over and over that he did what GMs do in 2019 but it’s just not true.

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1 minute ago, maury77 said:

You realize he made moves that season after the draft and during the season right? Remember the Khalil signing?

I do remember that. What would you have liked for him to do? Do you remember who was playing center? When you are given chickensh*t, you do your best to make chicken salad.

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2 hours ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

Those on this board that make every week appear as if it is career determining for a GM that just tore everything down at the end of 2020, a new coaching staff,  and a team full of young players are just so absurdly off base, I don't know where to begin.  These are ridiculous posts.   This is year 1 of a multi-year rebuild.  The Jets had massive holes everywhere on the roster and a significant lack of talent to start the season and have lost multiple key players to injuries throughout the preseason and season.  Wilson, Saleh, and Douglas will all be back for 2022 regardless of what happens on the field Sunday or  the next 6 games. Your posts (you know who you are) that call for firings and benching every day are tiresome and futile and uninformed.  This rebuild is going to require some more patience beyond the next 6 games regardless of how many seasons it has been since the Jets were competitive.  

Rebuilding 50 years….   Yes, patience. :)

 

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2 hours ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

Those on this board that make every week appear as if it is career determining for a GM that just tore everything down at the end of 2020, a new coaching staff,  and a team full of young players are just so absurdly off base, I don't know where to begin.  These are ridiculous posts.   This is year 1 of a multi-year rebuild.  The Jets had massive holes everywhere on the roster and a significant lack of talent to start the season and have lost multiple key players to injuries throughout the preseason and season.  Wilson, Saleh, and Douglas will all be back for 2022 regardless of what happens on the field Sunday or  the next 6 games. Your posts (you know who you are) that call for firings and benching every day are tiresome and futile and uninformed.  This rebuild is going to require some more patience beyond the next 6 games regardless of how many seasons it has been since the Jets were competitive.  

The rebuild needs a good four years to see if it is working. But nobody (organization, media, nor fans) is going to give it that long. 

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Who cares what his contract says, its how long hes been able to do what GMs do.  Year two, get over it.  
 
His first "year" was like bringing in someone to cook you a meal ... but all your food has gone mouldy ... and the shops are shut. So you blame the cook.

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35 minutes ago, maury77 said:

I will never understand the insistence of some of you that the only way to rebuild is to be as dreadful as the Jets have been this season, so it’s ok.

So true.  Look at the hated Patriots.  They were supposed to be in decline.  BB can't draft well, they had a crappy rookie QB and lost some productive players (not to mention the winningest qb of all time.

Yet somehow, (probably with great coaching) they turned the franchise around very quickly.  Why do we have to win 3-5 games a year these days and drool over our placement in the draft each year.  

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29 minutes ago, fastmover said:

JD’s progress has more dimensions then you are viewing through win/loss point of view.  Which I am sure the owners are looking at as part of his performance. 
 

the Scouting Dept and procedures have changed. 
Medical staff and procedures have changed. 
Team financials are improved. 
Draft capital has improved. 
Draft results have improved 

Now we have first year coaching staff under JD that was his choice 

The most rookies playing that I can remember in Jets history.  
Basically, everything in operating the Jets has changed and realistically this is year one of the New Jets completely under JD’s control. 
 

JD has spent the past 2 seasons cleansing the stench of past mistakes and choices the Jets have made.  Growth begins when you clear away the dead debris of the past and I am optimistic about it. 
 

Semper Fi

Agreed on all of this, but on the field is what matters most. 

He is still in year 2.5 of his contract/rebuild. 

So if year 4 is here, and we arent showing ON FIELD improvements by the end of the year, Woody will begin to set things in motion for change. 

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2 hours ago, talonmm said:

So true.  Look at the hated Patriots.  They were supposed to be in decline.  BB can't draft well, they had a crappy rookie QB and lost some productive players (not to mention the winningest qb of all time.

Yet somehow, (probably with great coaching) they turned the franchise around very quickly.  Why do we have to win 3-5 games a year these days and drool over our placement in the draft each year.  

Exactly. 

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4 hours ago, Saul Goodman said:

What fascinates me is that many of the fans here seem to be more Joe Douglas fans than actual New York Jets fans. Wins, offensive and defensive performances don’t matter. Only Joe Douglas’ employment as the GM. I don’t recall this type of cult devotion to any previous GM.
 

If he were to go on a diet, shave that goatee and put on a suit, would he have the fan club that he does? 

its not that its just we needed to defend him all year from people who wanted him fired after a few games cause this draft class wasnt winning rookie of the week awards. and now this draft class could be the best in history.

but lets fire him, good move.

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4 hours ago, talonmm said:

So true.  Look at the hated Patriots.  They were supposed to be in decline.  BB can't draft well, they had a crappy rookie QB and lost some productive players (not to mention the winningest qb of all time.

Yet somehow, (probably with great coaching) they turned the franchise around very quickly.  Why do we have to win 3-5 games a year these days and drool over our placement in the draft each year.  

The Patriots were in the playoffs in 2019. They had multiple key players opt out in 2020. Those players are back in 2021. They  did not rebuild.

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The JD evaluation will be pretty easy a few games into next season.  He will have just drafted his third class.  He has handpicked the HC and the QB.  At that point we may not be able to tell precisely how good/bad Wilson and Saleh are, but we'll have a pretty good idea.  The 2020 Draft class after two seasons of football will be able to be evaluated with about an 80% confidence rating and the 2021 group with one full season of football under its belt with about a 50% confidence rating.

Those people telling me they can already tell that Elijah Moore was a B+/A pick after about 9 games played but say we need to continue to wait on grading Ashtyn Davis after 17 games are being disingenuous.  We're getting a sense for just how bad that 2020 group is unfortunately and we're starting to see how good the 2021 class just might be.

JD, Saleh and Wilson are all here for the duration of the 2022 season IMO.  If the Jets didn't cut ties with Gase prior to two full seasons then Saleh is getting at least the same full two seasons as HC, especially as a first-timer.  Gase was an experienced guy and his performance here rhymed quite a bit with how he did in Miami.   Saleh is a new face and should get some time and be allowed to make some mistakes along the way, unlike what Pete Carroll got here as a Head Coach.

 

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8 hours ago, JTJet said:

Maye, Moore, and Mosley. 

What about Zach Wilson, Michael Carter, Michael Carter II, Alijah Vera Tucker, Jarrad Davis, Q Williams, Rankins, Mekhi Becton, Corey Davis, Jamison Crowder, Carl Lawson, Shaq Lawson, Sheldon Rankins, Keelan Cole, Bryce Hall, John Franklin Meyers, Ty Johnson, Morgan Moses, and Mims (just kidding about Mims)?

Maybe we wouldn't agree on the exact list, but there has to be more than the three you stated.

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