Jets would incur $20 mil in dead money if they were to look to move on from Mosley after this season

[kdels62]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

So what position should we pay when "the whole team sucks", and do you presume when signing FA's that the "whole team will suck" the entire length of that contract?

Seems an odd way to run a team to me.

Curious, did you say that at the time, that is was an obvious bad signing, and did you say why? 

Because most folks didn't think that at the time by my memory, and they certainly didn't say "because the whole team sucks" as the reason for it being a bad signing.

I don't agree, for the record, I think it was a solid signing given what was known at the time.

 

That’s you but I was unhappy with the price when it was announced and it was and remains a misallocation of resources. Let’s take you back in time to that offseason. People were a flutter because Sam Darnold had just ended his rookie season looking better than terrible and we had so much cap room to build around Darnold. The team’s needs were Edge, CB, Offensive line, WR. With so much money the Jets were expected to be players on big names and they end up signing Bell, Mosley and Crowder. Bell was an obvious disaster, Mosley was given an albatross contract because he refused to leave Baltimore and Crowder was good. 

The problem with was that the roster was barren in important positions. Available that offseason were Mitch Morse(Center), Matt Paradis (Center), Quinton Spain (Guard), Daryl Williams (Tackle), Zadarious Smith (Edge), Preston Smith (Edge), John Brown (WR).

So yes in a vacuum if you ignore every external factor Mosley isn’t a terrible signing, just hugely overpriced. When you add context and start to analyze where the Jets were at the time, what their priorities should have been the signing becomes a disaster. Also add in that the year before Macc had paid another ILB a bunch of guaranteed and it’s just mind numbing.

[maury77]

From my understanding, the Jets intended to focus their $ on the defensive line so that the pass rush would make up the deficiencies on the second and third level of the defense. Mosely not playing well hasn't helped, but the DL generally being a major disappointment has had a bigger impact. 

[CSNY]

21 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

If you can surround Mosely with some more playmakers on defense, I think that he would have real value and a leadership role on this team.

Therein lies the rub with the whole roster.

In order to be good Mosely needs weaponz 

[CanadaSteve]

38 minutes ago, CanadienJetsFan said:

The Mosely  experiment is failing.

cut bait…JD do your stuff and trade him somehow 

NOT A CHANCE.

He is on this team next year, if nothing else, for depth.  

In 2023, you can cut him and save over $15 million and only lose $3 million to the prorated bonus over 2023 and 2024.  

 

[Scott Dierking]

2 minutes ago, CSNY said:

In order to be good Mosely needs weaponz 

The Macc "plan", was to have Barr outside and Mosely inside. We all know what happened with that.

 

[Beerfish]

7 hours ago, Warfish said:

In hindsight, sure.

In that moment, I don't think so.  Mosely was a 4x pro-bowler who had missed all of 3 starts in 5 seasons.

No GM could have known he'd get hurt and lose a year in the first game as a Jet.

No GM could have predicted COVID, and that Mosely would choose to sit for a year after his lost year.

I'm happy to assign blame where appropriate, but this one isn't it.  On it's face, signing Mosely looked like a very good move, justified by how well he played that one shining first half as a Jet before it all came crumbling down.

Now?  He's a guy who basically didn't play football for two years (2019, 2020) and he just isn't the same guy now.

Sucks, but hard to say any GM "should have known" this would be the outcome IMO.

you do not hand out huge long term deals to non premium position players.

Enough people questioned the signing at the time as being a risk that I do not view this as 'hindsight'  The word 'hindsight' can be used to excuse every single bad move a gm makes.

Mosley might be he biggest dog fa signing this team ever had, that includes such bright lights as tru johnson.

 

[xJayce]

2 hours ago, munchmemory said:

More stellar GM work.

I keep hearing how, given the team is not competitive, we need to overpay for good free agents to join the team. However, when a GM does, he's crucified after the fact. By no way am I making excuses for Mac, but given that he was failing in the draft (still disappointed that we took QW 3rd overall and Adams 6th overall), he painted himself in a corner and needed to bring in talent. He then overpaid and created the current narrative.

I don't know how often high priced FAs work out, but it doesn't seem to be a viable options moving forward. FAs need to be complimentary and not core to a team's development.

 

[ZachEY]

3 hours ago, Warfish said:

In hindsight, sure.

In that moment, I don't think so.  Mosely was a 4x pro-bowler who had missed all of 3 starts in 5 seasons.

No GM could have known he'd get hurt and lose a year in the first game as a Jet.

No GM could have predicted COVID, and that Mosely would choose to sit for a year after his lost year.

I'm happy to assign blame where appropriate, but this one isn't it.  On it's face, signing Mosely looked like a very good move, justified by how well he played that one shining first half as a Jet before it all came crumbling down.

Now?  He's a guy who basically didn't play football for two years (2019, 2020) and he just isn't the same guy now.

Sucks, but hard to say any GM "should have known" this would be the outcome IMO.

Couldn’t have known about either issue, but is there any prescient for a defensive FA (or costly trade) being signed to a record setting deal where hindsight shows that to have been a good idea?

And this isn’t even taking into consideration the 3-4 ILB value.

[More Cowbell]

58 minutes ago, munchmemory said:

I thought JD was in a complete rebuild with the philosophy of playing rookies.   If that's the case, find a rookie to replace Mosley.   Whether that guy can play or not is irrelevant as this is, again, a total rebuild.    And as many here have said, winning won't be  important for another two or three years.

What, the defense isn't  playing bad enough?

[GreenFish]

Yea the LB room is a problem. 

[Hex]

Him and the defense were looking ok this year, and then he got hurt, and ever since the defense has looked like crap.

Don't know if this is causation or correlation, though. 

[chirorob]

4 hours ago, munchmemory said:

More stellar GM work.

Mac

The gift that keeps on giving

[bostonmajet]

Anyone know how much of the 20 million is there with a trade? Either way, we have enough cap space to take the hit, but I would guess they would  want to draft/sign his replacement prior to releasing him.

[undertow]

This board has flip flopped 7 times on Mosley since training camp. lol

[CSNY]

30 minutes ago, GreenFish said:

Yea the LB room is a problem. 

No question LB’s are a problem but I think the d line is the major culprit as they do not provide any protection for linebackers in run game and pass rush is at best spotty which doesn’t help the young secondary we have. 

[doitny]

3 hours ago, slats said:

Making a non-pass-rushing ILB in a 3-4 defense the highest paid LB in the league at the time was a bad move, period. Mosley wasn’t excited about leaving the Ravens, so Mac added a couple million a year and more guaranteed to lure him over. Catching his big fish just like Tanny used to. At some point, you have to realize a move will not be cost effective. It’s a great example of just how terrible Maccagnan was, although not as great an example as the Bell signing. 
 
Anyway, the COVID off year really messed things up. Basically backed up his guarantees a year. Without that year, he’d have gotten that $16M guaranteed this season, and they could’ve cut bait cheaply next year. Instead, they’re probably forced to keep him on for another season. 

and thats the problem we have being in NY/NJ and being a bad franchise. we have to overpay to get the good players here. and with the big contracts will come an extra year or 2 we know we really shouldnt give. and they probably will not play that well in those years. but someone will give them that contract.

and thats something we all need to think about when we keep saying JD has to sign the big-name guys. almost all of them don't play well all the way to the end of their contracts. 

[Hael]

Im pretty sure he could still play in a different system, but he’s clearly ill suited for this one (as is all our lbers).

So he might carry some trade value (we would only have 7.5 million dead in that case), which would be worth it if the compensation was good enough and we had a competent team leader that could call plays out (his PFF numbers don’t account for that very important role).

 

[Embrace the Suck]

2 hours ago, munchmemory said:

I just assumed folks here would know that.   But I guess JD needs more defending.

Nope, just noting that the guy who made the choice is gone. However, your comment seemingly implies that you think JD needs defending.

[munchmemory]

Just now, Embrace the Suck said:

Nope, just noting that the guy who made the choice is gone. However, your comment seemingly implies that you think JD needs defending.

No.  Just that I read myriad examples of it daily.

[Fantasy Island]

3 hours ago, CSNY said:

Trumaine Johnson

Leveon Bell 

CJ Mosely 

Just these three signings so just how bad Maccaganan was. Couple that with his draft choices and other personnel decisions (which not many are in the league anymore ) kinda proves that roster needed to be completely torn down.
Sheesh what a disaster 

I still wish that Mac develops a coffee allergy.   Driving by a Starbucks gives him hives.

[rex-n-effect]

Mosley looked like maybe he was something earlier in the season but he seems to have disappeared. He doesn't seem to be a fit for the defense and maybe lacks the athleticism of his earlier days to justify the contract.

Mac said early on he wanted to build a sustainable roster and one of the ways he intended to do that was to follow what he described as the Steelers model. He described it as building up inventory at positions where good players could be acquired reasonably in the draft year over year in positions where guys normally wanted a big second contract. If you can build a stable of young guys at those positions you can free up money to spend where it's harder to get performance on rookie contracts. You could let your starters go when they wanted big contracts and slide in a young player. He specifically mentioned LB as one of these positions and I believe he mentioned the same at slot receiver and RB. 

That would have been a fine approach if he wasn't awful at talent evaluation across the board. It seemed like he knew his plan wasn't working and decided to try to pay to bring in starters and then draft in behind them and let the rookies learn from experienced vets. That explains a lot about the latter contracts Mac gave out. Mac made poor choices year over year and as he felt the pressure of poor performance he panicked and decisions got worse. 

I don't know what the right answer is with Mosley. That is a lot of dead money to cut him loose and who is going to replace him that's better? The least awful option may be letting Mac's poor decisions attrit with the least harm to the team and allocate resources where they can add the most value. 

[Dcat]

4 hours ago, slats said:

Making a non-pass-rushing ILB in a 3-4 defense the highest paid LB in the league at the time was a bad move, 

Amen. And I said it back then. 

[T0mShane]

5 hours ago, Warfish said:

In hindsight, sure.

In that moment, I don't think so.  Mosely was a 4x pro-bowler who had missed all of 3 starts in 5 seasons.

No GM could have known he'd get hurt and lose a year in the first game as a Jet.

No GM could have predicted COVID, and that Mosely would choose to sit for a year after his lost year.

I'm happy to assign blame where appropriate, but this one isn't it.  On it's face, signing Mosely looked like a very good move, justified by how well he played that one shining first half as a Jet before it all came crumbling down.

Now?  He's a guy who basically didn't play football for two years (2019, 2020) and he just isn't the same guy now.

Sucks, but hard to say any GM "should have known" this would be the outcome IMO.

Mosley begged Baltimore to match or even come close and they declined. He never wanted to be here and he’s mostly played like it. The Jets shouldn’t even wait until the offseason to cut him. They should show some mercy and do it today.

[sciond]

wrong  defense injury, sh*t coaching

However good locker room guy

I would keep him around.. who do we have better?

[GangGreened]

I’m hindsight it was still a bad move. You just don’t pay an interior linebacker like that 

[Joe W. Namath]

Mosley has been great in the locker room, is a leader on the field snd I think is trying really hard out there.

The problem is he has been awful this year.  Quincy Williams is 10xs the player Mosley is.  We cant cut him so he will be here for 1 more year.

But he is playing some awful football out there.

[David Harris]

Mosley is good and sometimes great. 
 

After 2022 he’ll be cut with 3 mill dead cap or restructured.  His contract is the last haunting remnant of the disastrous Mac Era.

The jet tax was an extra $4 mill a year from previous ILB contracts at the time of signing - absurd

[BRONX DUDE]

6 hours ago, Ecuadorian Jet said:

Bite the $20million bullet and let him go

He has nothing left?  I thought he was the greatest LB out there?

[BRONX DUDE]

3 hours ago, undertow said:

This board has flip flopped 7 times on Mosley since training camp. lol

I thought he was the greatest!! WHAT HAPPENED? 

[undertow]

1 hour ago, BRONX DUDE said:

I thought he was the greatest!! WHAT HAPPENED? 

I can't keep up bro...like a month ago his injury was why our defense sucked and we should sign him to a extension. lol

[TuscanyTile2]

7 hours ago, munchmemory said:

I thought JD was in a complete rebuild with the philosophy of playing rookies.   If that's the case, find a rookie to replace Mosley.   Whether that guy can play or not is irrelevant as this is, again, a total rebuild.    And as many here have said, winning won't be  important for another two or three years.

Much longer than that. 

[TuscanyTile2]

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[Beerfish]

3 hours ago, David Harris said:

Mosley is good and sometimes great. 
 

After 2022 he’ll be cut with 3 mill dead cap or restructured.  His contract is the last haunting remnant of the disastrous Mac Era.

The jet tax was an extra $4 mill a year from previous ILB contracts at the time of signing - absurd

I have not seen one shred of evidence of the bolded part.  He has had a grand total of one good quarter in the 3 years or so he has been here.  He stinks this year.

Also, all this good leader hooey, if you can't play well you can;t lead.

[varjet]

The Jets could decide like Trumaine that they should take the cap hit and save the roster spot.  I don’t think it gets there. 

Mosley is very smart. He knows that next year is his money year.   He will be playing for his next contract.

If the Jets cut him next year and he ends up playing well for another team while the Jets pay him, they will look like idiots.  

If the Jets can trade Mosley and have that other team assume any meaningful portion of his salary, that is an option.  

But otherwise my suspicion is that the Jets in 2022 are their best self if Mosley is on the team fighting for a contact for 2023.  

[David Harris]

8 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

I have not seen one shred of evidence of the bolded part.  He has had a grand total of one good quarter in the 3 years or so he has been here.  He stinks this year.

Also, all this good leader hooey, if you can't play well you can;t lead.

https://nypost.com/2021/10/05/c-j-mosley-like-a-cheat-code-on-defense-says-jets-coach/amp/

 

I bold YOU!