jetstream23 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 The only thing worse than making a bad decision is not admitting it and not working to correct it. The Cardinals made an incredibly difficult decision after just one year of having a top 10 drafted QB in Josh Rosen. It is turning out to be a career defining moment for GM Steve Keim. Approaching your owner one year after you traded up to draft a QB and telling him you miscalculated and want to replace him is not an easy thing. It was the right thing though. The Cardinals with Kyler Murray are now at the top of the NFL. Would JD have the balls to say to the Johnsons, “We may have got this wrong. While we are seeing several of the positives and strengths that we scouted in Wilson, the things that could not be evaluated until he got to the NFL are not looking great. He is struggling with the speed of the game, decision making, etc. at this level. In my experience, these things are difficult to correct. They could certainly improve, but they will always put a ceiling on what he can be. I’m not saying that we need to reach for another QB at the top of this upcoming draft but if there’s a guy there worthy of the pick we shouldn’t hesitate to take him. We would be wise to look for competition and should always be looking to improve every position on the roster. That’s my job as the GM. Maybe that competition is already on this roster, but we should also look at free agency and the trade market.” By the way, I don’t see any chance in hell that JD approaches the Johnsons with a conversation like the above even if he himself has significant doubts about Wilson. 7 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 I’m thinking the same thing. Draftniks, do we like Corral, Pickett, etc.? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Irish Jet Posted November 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 28, 2021 He shouldn’t get the f*cking chance. 8 4 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hael Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 It all depends on the intangibles. Is ZW working hard? Is he being sharp in the meetings? Does it look like he wants to be there... Rosen by all reports was arrogant and tuned out on his first training camp, so despite the huge talent, no NFL coaching staff will put up with that at this level. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darnold Schwarzenegger Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 when you realize you have to watch Zach Wilson for the next year and a half seriously tho. Zach Wilson is terrible. Straight garbage. We can only hope that Douglas has the balls to move on after the season. 3 4 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted November 28, 2021 Author Share Posted November 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, Irish Jet said: He shouldn’t get the f*cking chance. That’s a separate conversation. I don’t necessarily disagree, but one thing at a time. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 How many more chances does Douglas get to blow first round picks? Let’s see if Wilson can settle down, but with Becton in witness protection and Wilson having the yips.. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bd71 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Instead of drafting another "great prospect" who turns out to suck, just trade for an established QB. At least give the team some one who is competent at the position. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted November 28, 2021 Author Share Posted November 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Hael said: It all depends on the intangibles. Is ZW working hard? Is he being sharp in the meetings? Does it look like he wants to be there... Rosen by all reports was arrogant and tuned out on his first training camp, so despite the huge talent, no NFL coaching staff will put up with that at this level. 100% fair. And, that’s a key difference. We haven’t heard a single thing about Zach being lazy or disinterested. In fact, we’ve heard the opposite. I don’t think there’s a lack of effort. The question is more about his ability…above the shoulders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Matt39 said: How many more chances does Douglas get to blow first round picks? Let’s see if Wilson can settle down, but with Becton in witness protection and Wilson having the yips.. He really blew it with AVT, right? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Guilhermezmc Posted November 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 28, 2021 If you think theres a kyler murray in this draft you should come out of your cave 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Never. JD is the definition of chickensh*t. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 There is no QB in this draft worth shi* imo. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted November 28, 2021 Author Share Posted November 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, bd71 said: Instead of drafting another "great prospect" who turns out to suck, just trade for an established QB. At least give the team some one who is competent at the position. If the development of the rest of the team is going well. If key pieces like AVT, Moore, Carter are going to work out. If the defense can be infused with talent given the additional draft picks the Jets have from recent trades, and the warchest of money they have, then this supports the idea of putting a veteran behind the steering wheel. It’s what the Vikings did with Kirk Cousins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 No, he wouldn’t. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted November 28, 2021 Author Share Posted November 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: He really blew it with AVT, right? Nah. AVT looks like a hit. The problem is the questions surrounding the other two 1st round picks. And, those two guys play the two premier positions on offense. AVT arguably plays the least, or second least important position on offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, Beerfish said: There is no QB in this draft worth shi* imo. Yeah haven’t really looked but that’s what you have been hearing for over a year now ??♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Matt39 Posted November 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: He really blew it with AVT, right? At the end of the day he's a guard. Wiffing on the left tackle and the QB wont be compensated by getting a starting guard. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 10 minutes ago, bd71 said: Instead of drafting another "great prospect" who turns out to suck, just trade for an established QB. At least give the team some one who is competent at the position. Agree. I would take the baseline of a mid-tier starter at this point. Just put a competent product on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 No, mainly because there is no Kylar Murray in this draft. What happened to Rosen was a 'perfect storm' in that the coach who took over had a relationship with the #1 QB prospect. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted November 28, 2021 Author Share Posted November 28, 2021 10 minutes ago, Guilhermezmc said: If you think theres a kyler murray in this draft you should come out of your cave Who said that there is a Kyler Murray in this draft? There is almost nobody like that man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, Beerfish said: There is no QB in this draft worth shi* imo. This could very well be true. Where was Wilson projected at this time last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 19 minutes ago, Guilhermezmc said: If you think theres a kyler murray in this draft you should come out of your cave Also a perk when your new head coach was the QBs coach in college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 The Jets will have a tough decision on whether to use their draft capital to trade for a QB. That is more than 1 first round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted November 28, 2021 Author Share Posted November 28, 2021 How many years left does Aaron Rodgers have? Would he want to go from one LaFleur to another? lol Zach Wilson on a rookie $$ deal + an early 1st round pick. I can't be serious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 It’s hilarious how Zach makes it clear he’s the worst QB in football while the Jets running game and defence hurts their draft pick. Can’t even consider entering next season with this guy as a starter. He can’t play. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 47 minutes ago, Matt39 said: At the end of the day he's a guard. Wiffing on the left tackle and the QB wont be compensated by getting a starting guard. what about the other rds. the 2021 draft is looking like the best draft we had in 20 years. thats worth keeping him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 well if you even want to consider this then you all need to let him finish the season so we know for sure. as bad as he was today thats only 6 games. i know all you guys are Nostradamus but for most of the rest of the world there going to want to see more before they do him like Josh Rosen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 No matter the coaches and personnel they never seem to hurry up and snap the ball on questionable catches/plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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shawn306 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 There is not a QB in the draft that would be considered a top 5 pick. So no 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlife33 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Edit: wrong thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 hour ago, bd71 said: Instead of drafting another "great prospect" who turns out to suck, just trade for an established QB. At least give the team some one who is competent at the position. They have 3 and possibly 4 (James Morgan) QBs already who have played better that Wilson, AND he has a noodle-knee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Play White. He's better than Wilson. So is Flacco. White is 14 years younger. We haven't seen White enough to know if he's incapable of stretching the field. At Western Kentucky that was one of his strengths. I know. It's college. And it's Western Kentucky. What do we have to lose. Wilson is a classic flash in the pan. A damn shame. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Matt39 said: At the end of the day he's a guard. Wiffing on the left tackle and the QB wont be compensated by getting a starting guard. That's great, but he didn't whiff on left tackle and QB, so there is always that. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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