ryu79 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: He went from "worst QB play I've ever seen" to "Well he didn't f**k up so that's nice" in the 2nd half. If that's progress I guess people can get excited about it if they want? I didn't say he was Montana or even good today. I said he was better after we established the run, which was what was suggested should happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 1 minute ago, ryu79 said: I didn't say he was Montana or even good today. I said he was better after we established the run, which was what was suggested should happen. Better, yes. Good enough to beat any of the other 30 NFL teams, certainly not. Even if you isolate ONLY his 2nd half performance, he was still bad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryu79 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 1 minute ago, jgb said: Two thinks are certain. He will get his chance through the end of the year. And if he fails — excuses will be plentiful. Maybe. At same time, Douglas playing it right can earn himself more time with the Johnsons (because they are the Johnsons), if he trades Wilson for picks or a solid veteran - say what you will about him, the guy has no problem kicking the can and fighting another day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 1 minute ago, ryu79 said: Maybe. At same time, Douglas playing it right can earn himself more time with the Johnsons (because they are the Johnsons), if he trades Wilson for picks or a solid veteran - say what you will about him, the guy has no problem kicking the can and fighting another day. I’d be stunned and impressed if JD cuts cord on Wilson this off season but I’d bet he does a half measure like bring in a vet like Trubisky or Minshew but doesn’t burn another early pick. You know, what I screamed he should’ve done this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryu79 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 1 minute ago, jgb said: I’d be stunned and impressed if JD cuts cord on Wilson this off season but I’d bet he does a half measure like being in a vet like Trubisky or Minshew but doesn’t burn another early pick. You know, what I screamed he should’ve done this year. I get the sense he's not a sentimental dude. How solid the judgement is I'd say it's debatable but he tends to do whatever is necessary to keep rebuilding and deferring responsibility... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 1 minute ago, ryu79 said: I get the sense he's not a sentimental dude. How solid the judgement is I'd say it's debatable but he tends to do whatever is necessary to keep rebuilding and deferring responsibility... Well he didn’t bring in cheap competition for Wilson this off season so I’m willing to bet he’s emotionally/personally invested in him to a point that clouds his objective judgment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 43 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: I'd be curious to see how the locker room celebrated today's win and juxtapose it with how they celebrated the Bengal win. I heard that the #1 search term in the locker room after the game was “what percentage of a PCL has to be torn before it is considered season-ending” 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryu79 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 12 minutes ago, jgb said: Well he didn’t bring in cheap competition for Wilson this off season so I’m willing to bet he’s emotionally/personally invested in him to a point that clouds his objective judgment. Fair. He could probably spin that to the Johnsons as doing everything to make the kid a success/or atleast giving the kid a chance to show either way and having sufficient sample to make a call, but your probably right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, ryu79 said: Fair. He could probably spin that to the Johnsons as doing everything to make the kid a success/or atleast giving the kid a chance to show either way and having sufficient sample to make a call, but your probably right. “All eggs in one basket” is an idiotic strategy when JD could’ve had Minshew in training camp for the same 6th he got Flacco with. Lunacy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: Yeah that about sums it up. If he keep sucking like this, at the very least, bring in QB1 competition this offseason, in the form of a veteran like Mitchell Trubisky. @jgb So, the answer to a failing young QB is to bring in a guy who already failed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Good thing we hid Wilson from the Fin’s #26 ranked defense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: So, the answer to a failing young QB is to bring in a guy who already failed? Failed much less epically, hey it’s a fuggin start! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 1 minute ago, jgb said: Good thing we hid Wilson from the Fin’s #26 ranked defense. Imagine how bad he would have been today without that extra seven days’ worth of leg confidence. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 12 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Imagine how bad he would have been today without that extra seven days’ worth of leg confidence. Johnson would've better timed his go go gadget arms if Wilson got more practice time with him, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 1 hour ago, JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF said: Supposedly he did “earn it” in training camp. The exact same throws you see him missing, many times wildly, he hit in training camp, easily. That’s why Chris Simms thinks everything bad you’re seeing now is easily correctable. He “earned it” over Mike White and James Morgan. They went into TC with zero NFL starts in the QB room. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 1 minute ago, jgb said: Johnson’s would've better timed his go go gadget arms if Wilson got more practice time with him, though. Can’t believe we haven’t cut Ty Johnson yet, what with the way he set Zach up to fail like that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 OL and QB in the 2022 1st round please. Zach was a flash in the pan at BYU. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 14 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: So, the answer to a failing young QB is to bring in a guy who already failed? That isn't the answer for a young QB. That's the answer as an alternative so we at least know someone decent will be under center if/when the young guy fails. And if any of our young QB's "failed" like Trubisky, we'd be calling for him to get a contract extension. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: That isn't the answer for a young QB. That's the answer as an alternative so we at least know someone decent will be under center if/when the young guy fails. And if any of our young QB's "failed" like Trubisky, we'd be calling for him to get a contract extension. I live in the midwest and Bears fans absolutely despise Trubisky. Hard for me to get excited about bringing him in. They say the same stuff we were telling Panthers fans about Darnold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: That isn't the answer for a young QB. That's the answer as an alternative so we at least know someone decent will be under center if/when the young guy fails. And if any of our young QB's "failed" like Trubisky, we'd be calling for him to get a contract extension. Plenty wanted to trade down and build around Darnold with much worse performance than Trubisky. And many others hailed Carolina as playing 5D chess by picking up Darnold’s 5th year option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 1 minute ago, slimjasi said: I live in the midwest and Bears fans absolutely despise Trubisky. Hard for me to get excited about bringing him in. They say the same stuff we were telling Panthers fans about Darnold. No one is saying Trubisky is the savior but it’s about being realistic about who is gettable and for what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 7 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Can’t believe we haven’t cut Ty Johnson yet, what with the way he set Zach up to fail like that We need to bring in Dr. Octopus for a work out. Slow 40 but insane catch radius. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 1 minute ago, jgb said: No one is saying Trubisky is the savior but it’s about being realistic about who is gettable and for what. Fine, but if we are bringing someone in to compete with Wilson, make it Minshew who impressed a little bit against the Jets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Just now, slimjasi said: Fine, but if we are brining someone in to compete with Wilson, make it Minshew who impressed a little bit against the Jets Oh Minshew is the other dude I have been screaming relentlessly as a QB2 for months so fine with me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 1 minute ago, slimjasi said: Fine, but if we are brining someone in to compete with Wilson, make it Minshew who impressed a little bit against the Jets PS: Trubisky would tell us to **** off. He’s a FA. Minshew we could trade for. He wouldn’t have a choice and is thus more realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Just now, jgb said: We need to bring in Dr. Octopus for a work out. Slow 40 but insane catch radius. I heard @Uncle Nicco had some grainy footage that showed Kennedy could have caught the ice bullet with his teeth if he wanted to 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 7 minutes ago, ZachEY said: He “earned it” over Mike White and James Morgan. They went into TC with zero NFL starts in the QB room. True, and a good point. I should have been specific in that at least he was supposedly easily hitting virtually All the throws he’s now missing by a mile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Just now, T0mShane said: I heard @Uncle Nicco had some grainy footage that showed Kennedy could have caught the ice bullet with his teeth if he wanted to If only the unnamed shooters on the grassy knoll were using better weapoinz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Just now, jgb said: PS: Trubisky would tell us to **** off. He’s a FA. Minshew we could trade for. He wouldn’t have a choice and is thus more realistic. Not to bag on Trubisky too much, but is he really going to have a lot of options? I wouldn't think he'd be in the best position to tell NFL teams to f*ck off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, jgb said: Oh Minshew is the other dude I have been screaming relentlessly as a QB2 for months so fine with me. I've seen you hype up Minshew and I'm with you. I like what I've seen from him. He's not super talented but he's a competitor and definitely has the toughness to play the position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Just now, slimjasi said: Not to bag on Trubisky too much, but is he really going to have a lot of options? I wouldn't think he'd be in the best position to tell NFL teams to f*ck off. I believe he will be paid handsomely to go to a contending team next year. Perhaps Steelers if Big Ben hangs them up. Could also see him as Giants starter depending on where they draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 1 minute ago, slimjasi said: I've seen you hype up Minshew and I'm with you. I like what I've seen from him. He's not super talented but he's a competitor and definitely has the toughness to play the position. JD sh*t the bed on QB this off season. Not talking about Zach — you take your shots — but everything else, horrible. F- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, slimjasi said: Fine, but if we are bringing someone in to compete with Wilson, make it Minshew who impressed a little bit against the Jets I couldn’t take seeing a Trubisky or Minshaw. I couldn’t take watching a washed up Boomer Esiason. Total waste of time. Then just draft another one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 1 minute ago, JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF said: I couldn’t take seeing a Trubisky or Minshaw. I couldn’t take watching a washed up Boomer Esiason. Total waste of time. Then just draft another one. Pssst… I wanted those guys as a QB2 last off season. But after seeing Zach bomb, I’d take them as starter. Agree JD should be canned and his successor try again but don’t see Woody pulling that trigger so I’ll take any improvement I can realistically get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: That isn't the answer for a young QB. That's the answer as an alternative so we at least know someone decent will be under center if/when the young guy fails. And if any of our young QB's "failed" like Trubisky, we'd be calling for him to get a contract extension. Mitch Trubisky through 7 games of his NFL career. 52% completion rate. 1135 passing yards. 4TDs. 4 Ints. 70 QBs rating. I can’t keep up anymore with what makes a QB worth letting progress or a QB that should be tossed away and set aside. I assume that Trevor Lawrence and Fields both belong on the trash heap as well. They are struggling nearly as bad as Wilson. Surely Mitch Trubisky doesn’t warrant consideration after that abysmal start to his career. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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