Game Observations (HOU)

[KRL]

In this decade of barren football as a Jet fan, its always nice to get a win.  So
I don't care if it came at the expense of 2-9 HOU team, a win is a win.  After
trailing 14-3 the Jets outscored HOU 18-0 to gain their third win of the season
21-14.  I was hoping for 4 wins over the last 8 games of the season, this is the
first one.  Let's take a look:

Special Teams

- I love Matt Ammendola's leg strength but he's too unreliable on kicks inside of
45 yards.  And I think the coaching staff feels the same way, because they pulled
him off the field late in the fourth quarter and went for it instead of attempting
a FG.  He'll be fortunate to be on the team for the rest of the season.

Defense

- It didn't start off very promising as they gave up two first half TD's.  But they
bounced back and shutout HOU over the final 40 minutes of the game.  Thankfully
Tyrod Taylor likes to hold the ball which allowed the DLine to generate 5 sacks.

- Nice to see John Franklin-Myers emerge for the first time since signing his
contract.  Excellent game as he had 3 Tackles, 2 Sacks, 2 TFL, Pass Defensed, 2
QB Hits and an INT.

- Quinnen Williams teamed up with Franklin-Myers to dominate HOU OLine.  Williams
almost matched Franklin-Myers stats as he generated 4 Tackles, Sack, TFL and a QB
Hit.  

- Another productive game by Quincy Williams as he generated 7 Tackles, Sack, TFL
and a QB Hit.  He still shows some rawness in his game but I love his speed and
violent tackling.  With further refinement he should be a very nice piece going
into the future.

- Bryce Hall started off shaky as he gave up a 40 yard TD.  But Hall bounced back
and displayed the excellent skills he's shown most of the season after that as
he had 3 Tackles, TFL, and a Pass Defensed.

- Solid coverage game by Javelin Guidry as he's been elevated to an outside CB
since Brandin Echols went down with an injury.

Offense

- Best run performance of the year by the OLine as they produced 157 yards on 34
rushes.  And I don't think its a coincidence that this has happened with Greg Van-
Roten being replaced by Laurent Duvernay-Tardiff.  Duvernay-Tardiff has been an
upgrade as he's been able to get to the second level in the run game and anchor
the interior pocket better than Van-Roten.

- With excellent run blocking up front all three RB's were able to be productive:
  * Tevin Coleman with 16 Rushes for 67 Yards
  * Ty Johnson with 6 Rushes for 42 Yards
  * Austin Walter with 9 Rushes for 38 Yards and a TD
The fact that Walter was active is such an indictment on LaMical Perine.  Walter
was on the practice squad but Perine couldn't beat him out to be on the active 
roster.

QB

- Zach Wilson was able to lead the team to a win but he wasn't impressive in any
sense.  He was 14/24 for 145 yards with a rushing TD and an awful INT.  Over the
past 4 games we've seen Mike White, Josh Johnson and Joe Flacco run the offense
efficiently.  Unfortunately we didn't see that same efficiency with Wilson running
the show.  Wilson's timing, accuracy and velocity on throws to his receivers was
off, this has to improve.  The best part of Wilson's performance was after the
game as he acknowledged his poor game and wasn't "giddy" with the win.  I hope
this was a "rust game" and he'll be better next week because I wasn't happy. 

Draft Thought

- I LOVED the performance of Aidan Hutchinson (3 sacks) yesterday against Ohio St.
As prolific as Ohio St. offense was the only way Michigan was going to win was
disrupting the QB.  And Hutchinson stepped up to the challenge, I would love to 
see him on the opposite side of Carl Lawson next year.

 

 

[Wit]

Is this Walter kid good or is it the Shanahan system working. 

[slimjasi]

I always love your summaries @KRL

[DetroitRed]

Zach does not look like a competent QB.  Only observation needed

[TuscanyTile2]

7 minutes ago, KRL said:

The best part of Wilson's performance was after the game as he acknowledged his poor game and wasn't "giddy" with the win

Some people on this forum will probably get on him for that. 

[TuscanyTile2]

Just now, DetroitRed said:

Zach does not look like a competent QB.  Only observation needed

The rest is mostly noise.

[David Harris]

Give me Hutchinson, Thibideaux or Stingley and I’d be thrilled.

as far as Zach it’s wait and see- it is what it is.  We just have to see if he develops.  His passes are mostly a little off target, his mechanics don’t look sound right now- I’m glad John beck is in the building and hopefully gets this cleaned up.  Zach doesn’t look comfortable or in sync.  Hopefully rust, still good that he didn’t lose the game for us.  Got a win, got some experience under his belt.

It’d be great if Quincy Williams became a core guy- love how violent he is.

Quinnen Williams is a BEAST, even when people were complaining about him he was actually playing well.   He is definitely part of the foundation and should get a second contract as one of the best.

 

[Uncle Nicco]

“Awful int”

[BettyBoop]

10 minutes ago, KRL said:

In this decade of barren football as a Jet fan, its always nice to get a win.  So
I don't care if it came at the expense of 2-9 HOU team, a win is a win.  After
trailing 14-3 the Jets outscored HOU 18-0 to gain their third win of the season
21-14.  I was hoping for 4 wins over the last 8 games of the season, this is the
first one.  Let's take a look:

Special Teams

- I love Matt Ammendola's leg strength but he's too unreliable on kicks inside of
45 yards.  And I think the coaching staff feels the same way, because they pulled
him off the field late in the fourth quarter and went for it instead of attempting
a FG.  He'll be fortunate to be on the team for the rest of the season.

Defense

- It didn't start off very promising as they gave up two first half TD's.  But they
bounced back and shutout HOU over the final 35 minutes of the game.  Thankfully
Tyrod Taylor likes to hold the ball which allowed the DLine to generate 5 sacks.

- Nice to see John Franklin-Myers emerge for the first time since signing his
contract.  Excellent game as he had 3 Tackles, 2 Sacks, 2 TFL, Pass Defensed, 2
QB Hits and an INT.

- Quinnen Williams teamed up with Franklin-Myers to dominate HOU OLine.  Williams
almost matched Franklin-Myers stats as he generated 4 Tackles, Sack, TFL and a QB
Hit.  

- Another productive game by Quincy Williams as he generated 7 Tackles, Sack, TFL
and a QB Hit.  He still shows some rawness in his game but I love his speed and
violent tackling.  With further refinement he should be a very nice piece going
into the future.

- Bryce Hall started off shaky as he gave up a 40 yard TD.  But Hall bounced back
and displayed the excellent skills he's shown most of the season after that as
he had 3 Tackles, TFL, and a Pass Defensed.

- Solid coverage game by Javelin Guidry as he's been elevated to an outside CB
since Brandin Echols went down with an injury.

Offense

- Best run performance of the year by the OLine as they produced 157 yards on 34
rushes.  And I don't think its a coincidence that this has happened with Greg Van-
Roten being replaced by Laurent Duvernay-Tardiff.  Duvernay-Tardiff has been an
upgrade as he's been able to get to the second level in the run game and anchor
the interior pocket better than Van-Roten.

- With excellent run blocking up front all three RB's were able to be productive:
  * Tevin Coleman with 16 Rushes for 67 Yards
  * Ty Johnson with 6 Rushes for 42 Yards
  * Austin Walter with 9 Rushes for 38 Yards and a TD
The fact that Walter was active is such an indictment on LaMical Perine.  Walter
was on the practice squad but Perine couldn't beat him out to be on the active 
roster.

QB

- Zach Wilson was able to lead the team to a win but he wasn't impressive in any
sense.  He was 14/24 for 145 yards with a rushing TD and an awful INT.  Over the
past 4 games we've seen Mike White, Josh Johnson and Joe Flacco run the offense
efficiently.  Unfortunately we didn't see that same efficiency with Wilson running
the show.  Wilson's timing, accuracy and velocity on throws to his receivers was
off, this has to improve.  The best part of Wilson's performance was after the
game as he acknowledged his poor game and wasn't "giddy" with the win.  I hope
this was a "rust game" and he'll be better next week because I wasn't happy. 

Draft Thought

- I LOVED the performance of Aidan Hutchinson (3 sacks) yesterday against Ohio St.
As prolific as Ohio St. offense was the only was Michigan was going to win was
disrupting the QB.  And Hutchinson stepped up to the challenge, I would love to 
see him on the opposite side of Carl Lawson next year.

 

 

Good post.  A few other notes.

• For the first time since I can remember we have a coach who can make in-game adjustments to completely shut down the Texans offense in the second half.  The defense has come good parts and is missing a dawg or two.  Totally agree that if we get Hutchinson to go along with Carl Lawson this defense could be really good.
• I thought LeFleur made some necessary adjustments as well.  On the first few possessions Zach was dropping back and got creamed.  LeFleur then called quick throws which seemed to settle Zach down a bit.  He wasn't very good but it's his first game back after four weeks.  
• The way Brandon Cooks was ignored for most of the game I could have sworn Adam Gaze was calling their plays.  

 

[docdhc]

10 minutes ago, David Harris said:

Give me Hutchinson, Thibideaux or Stingley and I’d be thrilled.

as far as Zach it’s wait and see- it is what it is.  We just have to see if he develops.  His passes are mostly a little off target, his mechanics don’t look sound right now- I’m glad John beck is in the building and hopefully gets this cleaned up.  Zach doesn’t look comfortable or in sync.  Hopefully rust, still good that he didn’t lose the game for us.  Got a win, got some experience under his belt.

It’d be great if Quincy Williams became a core guy- love how violent he is.

Quinnen Williams is a BEAST, even when people were complaining about him he was actually playing well.   He is definitely part of the foundation and should get a second contract as one of the best.

 

Zach’s knee is also not 100%. I bet he looks better against Philly

[TuscanyTile2]

3 minutes ago, BettyBoop said:

Good post.  A few other notes.

• For the first time since I can remember we have a coach who can make in-game adjustments to completely shut down the Texans offense in the second half.  The defense has come good parts and is missing a dawg or two.  Totally agree that if we get Hutchinson to go along with Carl Lawson this defense could be really good.
• I thought LeFleur made some necessary adjustments as well.  On the first few possessions Zach was dropping back and got creamed.  LeFleur then called quick throws which seemed to settle Zach down a bit.  He wasn't very good but it's his first game back after four weeks.  
• The way Brandon Cooks was ignored for most of the game I could have sworn Adam Gaze was calling their plays.  

 

How did Saleh stack up against Bill Belichick?  

[FTL Jet Fan]

Kid definitely needs time and needs to settle down.

[Ken Schroy]

3 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

How did Saleh stack up against Bill Belichick?  

How would you expect a rookie HC to do against a HOF HC? He got schooled. I'm shocked.

[TuscanyTile2]

Just now, Ken Schroy said:

How would you expect a rookie HC to do against a HOF HC? He got schooled. I'm shocked.

This is who we're going to need to beat if we're going to get where we want to go.  

[Lupz27]

33 minutes ago, DetroitRed said:

Zach does not look like a competent QB.  Only observation needed

Yes if you can get some sucker team to hand us a 1st for him next draft take it and run.

[derp]

I think if they draft an edge there’s a better chance he’s starting across from Franklin-Myers than Lawson - and a real chance he’s a backup.

[Ken Schroy]

21 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

This is who we're going to need to beat if we're going to get where we want to go.  

Of course, but we don't have the horses on either side of the ball. This roster needs at least 4 starters from the draft in 2022, and at least 2 top FA signings.

[68JET11]

Nobody is happy with Wilson's performance... There were signs today of both good and bad. Everyone who has this kid failing needs to stop, because it's too early to know for sure. I'm not saying he won't because as much as I thought he'd be better than Sam, it's not looking that way yet, but I'm not about to throw in the towel just yet.

Like the move from GVR to LDT... Oh wait was that a JD move, must not be good...

Like Quincy Williams as well... Hope he can master the position by next year, cause he is a heat seeking missile on the field. Oh wait, another JD pickup.

I liked Echols before he went down, but I do believe we need another CB #2 behind Hall. Hmmm didn't JD draft both.

etc. etc. etc....

[Guilhermezmc]

LaFleur called a good game too

[Warfish]

1 hour ago, Wit said:

Is this Walter kid good or is it the Shanahan system working. 

Hoping for "good". 

Would be nice to have someone as speedy and nimble as he (at times) looked in the backfield to pair with Carter.  

[Jet Nut]

58 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

How did Saleh stack up against Bill Belichick?  

How would Saleh have stacked up again st Belichick in his first season in Cleveland?

Oh yeah, 20+ years of experience is lost here

[Jet Nut]

44 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

Yes if you can get some sucker team to hand us a 1st for him next draft take it and run.

You have to get over it, Darnold was traded and sucked it up big time in Carolina too

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, FTL Jet Fan said:

Kid definitely needs time and needs to settle down.

He could have used Davis and Carter too.  

 

[Jetfuel66]

1 hour ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

This is who we're going to need to beat if we're going to get where we want to go.  

Really?...... Very insightful

[Jetfuel66]

26 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

How would Saleh have stacked up again st Belichick in his first season in Cleveland?

Oh yeah, 20+ years of experience is lost here

Correct. Thank you for some common sense.

[Integrity28]

Ape observations from Week 12:

1. Zach was always a QB that should have had a red shirt season. At this point, just hope we didn’t do any irreversible damage. He doesn’t look the part at all.

2. Wings with chipotle or Siracha as the base of their hot sauce are infinitely better than Buffalo wings.

3. Legos truly are the best toys of all time.

4. If you’re not brining your turkey, you’re not cooking it.

5. Air mattresses are an instrument of the devil.

[The Crusher]

1 minute ago, Integrity28 said:

Ape observations from Week 12:

1. Zach was always a QB that should have had a red shirt season. At this point, just hope we didn’t do any irreversible damage. He doesn’t look the part at all.

2. Wings with chipotle or Siracha as the base of their hot sauce are infinitely better than Buffalo wings.

3. Legos truly are the best toys of all time.

4. If you’re not brining your turkey, you’re not cooking it.

5. Air mattresses are an instrument of the devil.

All 100% true except 2. 2.? You are out of your GD mind, 

[Lupz27]

33 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

You have to get over it, Darnold was traded and sucked it up big time in Carolina too

Yes he is but I’d still rather have a sucky Darnold and Jamar Chase and worry about replacing Darnold after year 4 instead of replacing Darnold I mean Wilson (as they are the same QB as I stated about 8 months ago) after 1 year.

[Jet Nut]

6 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

Yes he is but I’d still rather have a sucky Darnold and Jamar Chase and worry about replacing Darnold after year 4 instead of replacing Darnold I mean Wilson (as they are the same QB as I stated about 8 months ago) after 1 year.

Of course  you would, it’s better to have the sucky QB over the one we don’t know will suck or not.   Seriously, you’re a Darnold fan 
No offense you also swore up and down 4 years ago that Darnold would be a star.  Let’s give ZW more than 6 games 

[Warfish]

8 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

Ape observations from Week 12:

1. Zach was always a QB that should have had a red shirt season. At this point, just hope we didn’t do any irreversible damage. He doesn’t look the part at all.

2. Wings with chipotle or Siracha as the base of their hot sauce are infinitely better than Buffalo wings.

3. Legos truly are the best toys of all time.

4. If you’re not brining your turkey, you’re not cooking it.

5. Air mattresses are an instrument of the devil.

[Lupz27]

Just now, Jet Nut said:

Of. Purse you would, it’s better to have the sucky QB over the one we don’t know will suck or not.  
No offense you also swore up and down 4 years ago that Darnold would be a star.

I did and like usual he got ruined playing for a clown shoes organization.  I concede the original Mac plan was the correct one even though the player was the wrong one so I’m glad it fell through.  But drafting a QB here isn’t gonna ever work the Jets have to find that established guy who already commands respect and won’t have his confidence shattered by a couple of not so nice hot takes every 15 seconds.

[TuscanyTile2]

7 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

I did and like usual he got ruined playing for a clown shoes organization.  I concede the original Mac plan was the correct one even though the player was the wrong one so I’m glad it fell through.  But drafting a QB here isn’t gonna ever work the Jets have to find that established guy who already commands respect and won’t have his confidence shattered by a couple of not so nice hot takes every 15 seconds.

Flacco

[UnknownJetFan]

2 hours ago, DetroitRed said:

Zach does not look like a competent QB.  Only observation needed

Guys, let’s all just stop now. Zack played after being out for 4 games on a knee not fully healed with his number one WR and RB out and for the overall 60 mins of the game led the team to 21 points (would have been 24 if the FG kicker could make a 42 yarder) and a come from behind win on the road. I don’t want to hear about how great the D and running game units did as that is what they should do every week and what good teams always do. Zack managed the game fine despite some mistakes. He took a lot of the shorter stuff now and sometimes he missed them and needs to do better on those. He showed some good chemistry with Moore where those plays could not be stopped by the Texans. Also, don’t want to hear about bad teams since any game, especially on the road is hard to win. Now, let’s support Zack and see him do next week what no friggen Jet QB has ever done, beat the Eagles.

[Warfish]

2 minutes ago, UnknownJetFan said:

Guys, let’s all just stop now. Zack played after being out for 4 games on a knee not fully healed with his number one WR and RB out and for the overall 60 mins of the game led the team to 21 points (would have been 24 if the FG kicker could make a 42 yarder) and a come from behind win. I don’t want to hear about how great the D and running game units did as that is what they should do every week and what good teams always do. Zack managed the game fine despite some mistakes. He took a lot of the shorter stuff now and sometimes he missed them and needs to do better on those. He showed some good chemistry with Moore where those plays could not be stopped by the Texans. Also, don’t want to hear about bad teams since any games especially on the road is hard to win. Now, let’s support Zack and see him do next week what no friggen Jet QB has ever done, beat the Eagles.

Seems like there is alot you don't want to hear.

Good thing this is a non-audio, text-based medium, eh?

Hearing not required.

[Integrity28]

1 hour ago, The Crusher said:

All 100% true except 2. 2.? You are out of your GD mind,