2022 New York Mets thread

[Anthony Jet]

5 hours ago, section314 said:

All this worrying about Nimmo and who we might get to replace him if he leaves is just  another stark reminder of what an absolutely horrific trade the Baez deal was. 

That trade was kazmir esq

[32EBoozer]

Bad signing on a bad Detroit team. A cancer on the Mets who nearly destroyed our star SS relationship with the fans! McNeill all day!

2023 Contract Status: Signed thru 2027, 6 yrs/$140M (22-27)

SUMMARY

2022

WAR - 2.5

AB  - 555

H -  132

HR - 17

BA - .238

 

 

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

5 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

WAR - 2.5

Who cares about WAR ?

 

[32EBoozer]

9 minutes ago, SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN said:

Who cares about WAR ?

 

Jeff McNeil - Lock this man up NOW! 2nd year arbitration eligible  

SUMMARY

2022

WAR - 5.7

AB - 533

H - 174

HR - 9

BA - .326

 

[32EBoozer]

Mets made expected Qualifying Offers to Nimmo, Basset & deGrom. Curious if one will be made to Tijuan Walker?

Other than Nimmo, the Mets could let the other two walk and not be seriously impacted if Pederson can step up into Basset’s role and Mets can find 80 innings from someone else to replace deGrom. 
 

Hoping they can bring back TW. He pitched well when he was only allowed to go 6 innings. Hopefully Cookie Carrasco will be stronger another year removed from injury. 
 

This will be Alonso’s 2nd Arbitration Eligible year leaving just one mor before FA  in 2025 at age 29.   $12m expected contract this year. I would consider the Braves model & lock him up now & make him a happy man. 

McNeil also 2nd year arbitration eligible. The NL batting champ is a fan favorite but we have a few players in Mauricio & Jet Williams moving forward in the farm system. He can always be traded if contract reasonable. I would like more speed in the infield.

 

Best tools

Players are graded on a 20-80 scouting scale for future tools -- 20-30 is well below average, 40 is below average, 50 is average, 60 is above average and 70-80 is well above average. Players in parentheses have the same grade.

Hit: 60 -- Brett Baty (Kevin Parada)
Power: 70 -- Francisco Álvarez
Run: 60 -- Jett Williams (Nick Morabito)
Arm: 60 -- Stanley Consuegra (Francisco Álvarez, Brett Baty, Ronny Mauricio, Mark Vientos, Khalil Lee)
Field: 55 -- Alex Ramirez (Stanley Consuegra, Khalil Lee)
Fastball: 65 -- Matt Allan (Robert Dominguez)
Curveball: 60 -- Matt Allan
Slider: 60 -- Grant Hartwig (Blade Tidwell, Keyshawn Askew)
Changeup: 60 -- Jose Butto
Control: 55 -- Eric Orze (Mike Vasil, Jose Butto)

[section314]

Have been a Met fan my entire life (65 in one month) and this is by far the  barest the cupboard has ever been in pitching prospects. It’s alarming.

[32EBoozer]

5 hours ago, section314 said:

Have been a Met fan my entire life (65 in one month) and this is by far the  barest the cupboard has ever been in pitching prospects. It’s alarming.

Especially when looking at the plethora of talent moving through the Braves system. We need Allen and another to become #2 type starters.

Or.... we become a version of the old Yankees teams with a great offense needing to score 6+ runs/game

[Anthony Jet]

22 hours ago, 32EBoozer said:

Mets made expected Qualifying Offers to Nimmo, Basset & deGrom. Curious if one will be made to Tijuan Walker?

Other than Nimmo, the Mets could let the other two walk and not be seriously impacted if Pederson can step up into Basset’s role and Mets can find 80 innings from someone else to replace deGrom. 
 

Hoping they can bring back TW. He pitched well when he was only allowed to go 6 innings. Hopefully Cookie Carrasco will be stronger another year removed from injury. 
 

This will be Alonso’s 2nd Arbitration Eligible year leaving just one mor before FA  in 2025 at age 29.   $12m expected contract this year. I would consider the Braves model & lock him up now & make him a happy man. 

McNeil also 2nd year arbitration eligible. The NL batting champ is a fan favorite but we have a few players in Mauricio & Jet Williams moving forward in the farm system. He can always be traded if contract reasonable. I would like more speed in the infield.

 

Best tools

Players are graded on a 20-80 scouting scale for future tools -- 20-30 is well below average, 40 is below average, 50 is average, 60 is above average and 70-80 is well above average. Players in parentheses have the same grade.

Hit: 60 -- Brett Baty (Kevin Parada)
Power: 70 -- Francisco Álvarez
Run: 60 -- Jett Williams (Nick Morabito)
Arm: 60 -- Stanley Consuegra (Francisco Álvarez, Brett Baty, Ronny Mauricio, Mark Vientos, Khalil Lee)
Field: 55 -- Alex Ramirez (Stanley Consuegra, Khalil Lee)
Fastball: 65 -- Matt Allan (Robert Dominguez)
Curveball: 60 -- Matt Allan
Slider: 60 -- Grant Hartwig (Blade Tidwell, Keyshawn Askew)
Changeup: 60 -- Jose Butto
Control: 55 -- Eric Orze (Mike Vasil, Jose Butto)

BVW not playing the system and keeping Alonso down to start the year his first year, gonna cost the Mets big money 

[Anthony Jet]

21 hours ago, section314 said:

Have been a Met fan my entire life (65 in one month) and this is by far the  barest the cupboard has ever been in pitching prospects. It’s alarming.

Have any of the pitching prospects we’ve traded in the passed 5 years looked good?

[32EBoozer]

42 minutes ago, Anthony Jet said:

Have any of the pitching prospects we’ve traded in the passed 5 years looked good?

The Stroman trade included 2 pitchers but they haven’t done anything to speak of yet. 

Bassett for JT Ginn (struggling in minors) and Adam Oller (2-8 6.08 era 27 yo) was a win for Mets. 

Holderman for Vogelbach was a waste  Holderman could have been useful in long relief  

Nyquinn trade included Acuna (live arm) and Rodriguez 

The Darin Ruff trade sent a bevy of picks. What a waste. You can read here on some of the trades

https://metsminors.net/prospects-mets-traded-at-trade-deadline/

PCA for Baez might be the one to bight us in the ass long term

Diaz (w/o Cano) for Kelenic is a win but costs $102 mil

[Scott Dierking]

The rebuilding of the infrastructure continues. These are under the radar moves that can create an organizational philosophy. Both of these guys have very good credentials. Albert and Jagers. 

 

SNY's Andy Martino reports that the Mets have hired Jeff Albert as their new director of hitting.

Albert had been serving as the Cardinals' major league hitting coach since 2019, but he left that job on his own accord shortly after their season came to an end in a Wild Card Series loss to the Phillies. St. Louis was prepared to make Albert a multi-year offer to return, per team president John Mozeliak. Now the 42-year-old native of Rochester, New York heads to Queens to presumably work in more of a development/oversight role in conjunction with existing MLB hitting coach Eric Chavez and assistant hitting coach Jeremy Barnes. Eric Jagers was also recently hired to be the Mets' new director of pitching.

[Anthony Jet]

12 hours ago, 32EBoozer said:

The Stroman trade included 2 pitchers but they haven’t done anything to speak of yet. 

Bassett for JT Ginn (struggling in minors) and Adam Oller (2-8 6.08 era 27 yo) was a win for Mets. 

Holderman for Vogelbach was a waste  Holderman could have been useful in long relief  

Nyquinn trade included Acuna (live arm) and Rodriguez 

The Darin Ruff trade sent a bevy of picks. What a waste. You can read here on some of the trades

https://metsminors.net/prospects-mets-traded-at-trade-deadline/

PCA for Baez might be the one to bight us in the ass long term

Diaz (w/o Cano) for Kelenic is a win but costs $102 mil

Didnt we send a live arm to the Phillies couple years back?

[32EBoozer]

11 hours ago, Anthony Jet said:

Didnt we send a live arm to the Phillies couple years back?

Wheeler? ?

I don’t remember if so. 
 

deGrom, Nimmo & Basset officially rejected their QO. On to FA. 
We either sign them or get compensation if they sign elsewhere. I expect 2/3 to sign elsewhere. Let’s see how far Cohen is willing to go in FA. 

[TuscanyTile2]

Just now, 32EBoozer said:

Wheeler? ?

I don’t remember if so. 
 

deGrom, Nimmo & Basset officially rejected their QO. On to FA. 
We either sign them or get compensation if they sign elsewhere. I expect 2/3 to sign elsewhere. Let’s see how far Cohen is willing to go in FA. 

Bring back Nimmo for sure, deGrom maybe and let Bassitt walk.

[32EBoozer]

Just now, TuscanyTile2 said:

Bring back Nimmo for sure, deGrom maybe and let Bassitt walk.

Agreed.
Meanwhile……

Buck wins MOY

The New York Mets' Buck Showalter was named National League Manager of the Year on Tuesday night, becoming just the third person to take the prize four times and the first to do it with four different franchises.

Showalter is the first Mets manager to win the award, which has been presented since 1983. He received eight of 30 first-place votes, 10 second-place votes and 77 total points, edging Los Angeles Dodgers skipper Dave Roberts, who finished second. Roberts also earned eight first-place votes but had just four second-place votes for 57 points. Atlanta's Brian Snitker, who won the award in 2018, finished third with 55 points. He received seven first-place votes.

[32EBoozer]

After being removed from the Yankees’ 40-man roster, the Mets claimed right-handed pitching prospect Stephen Ridings on waivers. Ridings, a Huntington native, had pitched five innings for the Yankees in September 2021, and missed most of 2022 with a shoulder injury. 

Brendan Kuty of NJ.com shared this quote from Ridings about his injuries this season.

“I’m not even sure how to describe it honestly,” Ridings said. “I guess the way you would treat it is similar to Thoracic outlet (syndrome). I don’t necessarily have it, but they found some of the nerves that run through a couple of muscles in my neck aren’t in the right spot. And that could be what’s giving me some of the issues. They treated it with some injections and it’s been great since.”

Drafted by the Cubs in 2016, Ridings was traded to the Royals, who eventually released him, which led to him signing with the Yankees ahead of the 2021 season. His five big league innings were moderately successful ones, striking out seven, walking two, and giving up one earned run on four hits. He flashed a good fastball/slider combo, but is a relative unknown after the shoulder issues that led to only two professional innings being thrown in 2022.

[TuscanyTile2]

 

[chirorob]

8 hours ago, 32EBoozer said:

After being removed from the Yankees’ 40-man roster, the Mets claimed right-handed pitching prospect Stephen Ridings on waivers. Ridings, a Huntington native, had pitched five innings for the Yankees in September 2021, and missed most of 2022 with a shoulder injury. 

Brendan Kuty of NJ.com shared this quote from Ridings about his injuries this season.

“I’m not even sure how to describe it honestly,” Ridings said. “I guess the way you would treat it is similar to Thoracic outlet (syndrome). I don’t necessarily have it, but they found some of the nerves that run through a couple of muscles in my neck aren’t in the right spot. And that could be what’s giving me some of the issues. They treated it with some injections and it’s been great since.”

Drafted by the Cubs in 2016, Ridings was traded to the Royals, who eventually released him, which led to him signing with the Yankees ahead of the 2021 season. His five big league innings were moderately successful ones, striking out seven, walking two, and giving up one earned run on four hits. He flashed a good fastball/slider combo, but is a relative unknown after the shoulder issues that led to only two professional innings being thrown in 2022.

His numbers were amazing, strikeouts per inning and strikeout to walk ratio.   It's just health, I was bummed the Yanks lost him.

[32EBoozer]

10 minutes ago, chirorob said:

His numbers were amazing, strikeouts per inning and strikeout to walk ratio.   It's just health, I was bummed the Yanks lost him.

Thanks for the 411

[TuscanyTile2]

 

[32EBoozer]

21 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

 

I think they are also bringing in the fences.

Every Pete Alonso pop-up will be at home run.

[Scott Dierking]

11 hours ago, 32EBoozer said:

I think they are also bringing in the fences.

Every Pete Alonso pop-up will be at home run.

Right Field coming in a bit.

[32EBoozer]

1 minute ago, Scott Dierking said:

Right Field coming in a bit.

Preparing for the JUDGE!

 

[32EBoozer]

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-francisco-alvarez-prospects-rule-5-draft-20221117-foyk4f4dtrb7ni3zholhjrfwge-story.html
 

The date to protect players from being selected by another team in the upcoming Rule 5 Draft has come and gone and the Mets made no additional roster moves. Somewhat surprisingly, the club opted against protecting their Rule 5-eligible prospects Tuesday, standing pat with 32 players on the 40-man roster.

The prospects most in danger of being selected by another team are already on the 40-man roster and much of the organization’s top talent is still mostly playing in the lower levels of the minor leagues.

The Mets continue to emphasize their goal of building a “sustainable” winner, which means there will come a time when they will rely on homegrown talent to carry them to the postseason.But that time is not now. The Mets have some very promising talent that will likely contribute at the Major League level this season and a few players who could graduate to that level within the next year or two. Four Mets’ prospects made MLB Pipeline’s top-100 list this year, catcher Francisco Alvarez (No. 1), third baseman Brett Baty (No. 18), catcher Kevin Parada (No. 37) and outfielder Alex Ramirez (No. 85). Only Baty and Alvarez could be considered high-level minor leaguers, with the the duo making their big league debuts last season.

Contrast that with the Los Angeles Dodgers system, which has seven prospects ranked in the top 100, all of which are ready for the big leagues or close to it.

[ Aaron Judge vs. Shohei Ohtani: American League MVP comes down to super slugger vs. two-way phenom ]

The Mets understand that it will take time for the pipeline to get going and the club does seem to be excited with some of the club’s top prospects. General manager Billy Eppler noted that the club was able to keep its best 19 prospects at the trade deadline, choosing long-term stability over short-term success.

One of the things we have talked about here is trying to maintain that organizational discipline to try to crush any urge to make a snap or impulsive decision and give up large amounts of future World Series odds or expectation just in exchange for marginal gains right now,” Eppler said after the Aug. 2 deadline. “I think some of that undisciplined thinking can lead to years of mediocrity.”

So, with that in mind let’s take a look at the Mets’ farm system to determine what they have and what that means for the next few seasons. 

Who could be ready in 2023: C Alvarez, 3B/OF Baty, 3B/1B Mark Vientos, SS Ronny Mauricio, OF Jake Mangum, OF Khalil Lee, RHP Eric Orze, RHP Jose Butto, RHP Grant Hartwig, RHP Bryce Montes de Oca

Alvarez may not have crushed left-handed pitching at the big-league level after his promotion in late September, but he did show flashes of the plus power that has become his calling card as a prospect. A power-hitting catcher is a very rare but very valuable commodity and the Mets are hoping he’ll benefit from working with bench and catching coach Glen Sherlock to be able to become an everyday player next season. What will the Mets do with James McCann, the catcher they signed to a four-year contract before the 2021 season? The pressure is now on McCann to stay healthy and show that he can still produce as he did for the Chicago White Sox.

Baty and Vientos will look to compete for roster spots at spring training. Both third basemen excelled at Triple-A but in limited Major League action, they struggled. Mauricio is having a fantastic season in the Dominican Winter League, hitting .296 with a .786 OPS.

Realistically, Mauricio will likely end up playing in Triple-A next season, and Baty and Vientos may have to spend time there as well. All three players are blocked at the big league level and while the old Mets might have been reliant on their prospects, the new Mets are more realistic in their expectations. 
 

Mangum and Lee have a chance to compete for the fifth outfielder spot in spring training. The 24-year-old Butto will likely make a few starts and former college pitchers Montes de Oca, Hartwig and Orze could throw some innings out of the bullpen. The latter two could be considered hidden gems of sorts if they pan out. Hartwig was a five-year starter who went undrafted out of Miami (Ohio) and Orze defeated cancer twice only to have the final year of his college career canceled because of COVID-19.

No shocker here, the 20-year-old Alvarez will be expected to make the biggest contribution next season. Much of this group could be supplementary pieces next season..

The future: C Kevin Parada, OF Alex Ramirez, RHP Blake Tidwell, RHP Calvin Ziegler, RHP Matt Allan, RHP Mike Vasil, RHP Dominic Hamel, RHP Joel Diaz

This is where things start to drop off. The Mets believe they have a group of talented pitchers coming but they aren’t coming soon. This is part of the reason why the club recently hired Eric Jagers as the director of pitching development. His background in biomechanics and pitch design will help minor league pitchers like Butto, Montes de Oca, Hartwig and Orze reach the next level by continuing to get better at the Major League level.

He’ll also help this younger group progress through the minor leagues. While some of these players may make the jump to Double-A next season, they won’t be playing in the big leagues anytime soon. The Mets don’t have any front-line starters on the way next season and there could be a few lean years in between these two groups of players.

For the next few years, the Mets will have to continue to supplement the big league roster through free agency and trades and might be more inclined to use free agency in order to hang on to talent.

 

 

[32EBoozer]

The Mets announced this afternoon that they have claimed right-hander William Woods off waivers from the Atlanta Braves.

Drafted by the Braves in the 23rd round of the 2018 MLB Draft, Woods is a classic fastball/slider pitcher. He utilizes his four-seam fastball, which touches the upper 90s, about two thirds of the time and utilizes his slider, which is about ten miles per hour slower, the rest of the time. In 2021, he featured a changeup and (rarely) a sinker as well, but didn’t throw those pitches in 2022. 

After piquing some interest in the Braves system due to a velocity bump he demonstrated in 2020, injures have since hampered Woods’ progression. Over his past two professional seasons, he’s thrown just 38 innings across levels. The 23-year-old pitched to a 5.19 ERA in 17 1⁄3 innings in Triple-A last season with 16 strikeouts and 9 walks. He made his major league debut with the Braves in late April last season and pitched two scoreless innings across two appearances before being optioned back down to Triple-A. He went on the injured list in the minors not too long after that with ankle discomfort and didn’t return until August.

The Mets are taking a flier on Woods, ranked as the Braves’ 25th best prospect by Baseball America and MLB Pipeline, hoping that he can stay healthy and fulfill the potential he showed as one of the fastest risers in the Braves system prior to his injury-riddled 2021 and 2022 seasons. The Mets have made several moves over the past 72 hours in an effort to bolster their pitching depth in the high minors. In addition to claiming Woods, the Mets have claimed righty Stephen Ridings from the Yankees and acquired righties Elieser Hernandez and Jeff Brigham in a trade with the Marlins.

[Anthony Jet]

https://nypost.com/2022/11/18/mets-add-elieser-hernandez-jeff-brigham-in-trade-with-marlins/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

 

minor trade with the Marlins 

[section314]

On 11/15/2022 at 6:57 AM, Anthony Jet said:

Have any of the pitching prospects we’ve traded in the passed 5 years looked good?

 

[section314]

Supposedly Blue Jays offered Nimmo $130mm. See ya.

[Anthony Jet]

22 minutes ago, section314 said:

Supposedly Blue Jays offered Nimmo $130mm. See ya.

If we lose nimmo, I’d check in on Bellinger and see what his market value is. His offense is terrible but his defense is superb, he’s relatively young and only a few years removed from MVP

[32EBoozer]

30 minutes ago, Anthony Jet said:

If we lose nimmo, I’d check in on Bellinger and see what his market value is. His offense is terrible but his defense is superb, he’s relatively young and only a few years removed from MVP

Yes… I was thinking the same thing.

https://nypost.com/2022/11/19/dodgers-non-tender-cody-bellinger-as-ex-mvps-fall-continues/

Bellinger has still provided near-elite defense in center field, demonstrating just how much his offense has regressed to make him expendable. He recorded the ninth-most outs above average among center fielders, according to Baseball Savant, and also provides speed on the basepaths. 

Regardless, one of the best options was just added to a thin outfield market, while the Dodgers continue to unload payroll in preparation for other moves. So far, they’ve already cleared more than $100 million with Trea Turner, Justin Turner, Craig Kimbrel, Tyler Anderson, Andrew Heaney, David Price, and Bellinger now off the roster, though they might bring one or two back.

[TuscanyTile2]

1 hour ago, section314 said:

Supposedly Blue Jays offered Nimmo $130mm. See ya.

For how many years?  And who are we replacing him with if we don't sign him?  Judge?

[section314]

It may be crazy, but I’d definitely talk to Trea Turner and kick the tires about playing CF. Don’t discount Conforto, either. Bellinger struck out 150 times last year. We don’t need another Baez.

[TuscanyTile2]

Not sure if blue check marks are still what they once were but this tweet says Nimmo is gone.  I hope not. 

[section314]

Read this AM that the Cubs may be in on Jake. But, then again, they are mentioned with pretty much everyone.

[Maynard13]

23 hours ago, section314 said:

It may be crazy, but I’d definitely talk to Trea Turner and kick the tires about playing CF. Don’t discount Conforto, either. Bellinger struck out 150 times last year. We don’t need another Baez.

Tre Turner in CF and make a trade for the kid from the Red Sox at 3rd and our offense would be exactly what it needs.  Alvarez takes over at catcher and provides some extra power. We are set offensively.