The All Things Zach Wilson Thread: MERGED

[More Cowbell]

28 minutes ago, jgb said:

Which version?

Good point

[HawkeyeJet]

30 minutes ago, jgb said:

Honestly didn’t look. Very well could be misremembering. If I get a chance later I’ll check out his stats.

Geno and Darnold were both better though.  Darnold actually was much more “adequate” than I would have guessed.  Geno too.

[paulyjet]

2 years. 

For the coach and QB.

That's what they will get.

[JohnnyLV]

13 hours ago, doitny said:

im a defender of Zach but let me tell you, those numbers are hero ball Zach. what we seen yesterday was some Mike White wannabe reject thats longest throw was about 22 yds Zach. 

we will never see those numbers again if we dont get hero ball Zach back. that kid yesterday looked lost trying to find the closest open receiver to him.

they took his gun and locked it away and gave him a pea shooter cause some PS guy had one really good game doing that.

every QB has there own strengths and throwing mid to deep is Zachs. he better get back to that against Phila or we are in trouble.

I mostly agree with that.

[Jetsfan80]

Flacons:  What Atlanta will become when they sign Joe Flacco next year.  

[#27TheDominator]

32 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Flacons:  What Atlanta will become when they sign Joe Flacco next year.  

Why the **** would the Flacons sign Flacco?  

 

 

 

 

Oh, that's right.  They probably want to trade him back to us for a 5th rounder in late October.  ******* cunning Flacons.

[ZachWilsonSupporter]

 

[Sperm Edwards]

49 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Flacons:  What Atlanta will become when they sign Joe Flacco next year.  

This is why everyone hates you. You're no good.

[BurntDice]

He’s on the cusp of playing decent/well. Hopefully he can show out against the eagles 

[Gastineau Lives]

5 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

This is why everyone hates you. You're no good.

At least he didn't have the wherewithal to make a decanter joke.

[jgb]

5 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

You can lust after Minshew and Trubiski.    

Id rather develop ZW who has more talent than either one of them.  

Lust to want to bring in a guy as QB2. Uh huh. The better question is why does that scare the Zach devotees? Doesn’t line up with the proclaimed confidence in Zach’s godly talent. If you believe Minshew and Trubisky suck but they are so plainly better than Zach in the summer that Saleh just has no choice but to start them… don’t you kind of want that data point?

[undertow]

I only get my Zach Wilson breakdowns from China.

[Spoot-Face]

4 minutes ago, undertow said:

I only get my Zach Wilson breakdowns from China.

I like mine from Abu Dhabi.

[jetstream23]

10 minutes ago, undertow said:

I only get my Zach Wilson breakdowns from China.

 

Yes, the replica breakdowns are 60% cheaper and almost as good.

[Claymation]

The biggest jump in a QBs development is between year 1 to year 2, so after the 24th game is where you can make the proper evaluation. 

[jgb]

3 minutes ago, Claymation said:

The biggest jump in a QBs development is between year 1 to year 2, so after the 24th game is where you can make the proper evaluation. 

You forgot to attribute Bill Walsh  

[Jetsfan80]

26 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

This is why everyone hates you. You're no good.

Everyone likes dad jokes. And simultaneously everyone also hates dad jokes.

[Hex]

17 minutes ago, undertow said:

I only get my Zach Wilson breakdowns from China.

The clear best ones are the Canadian ones, though

[ZachEY]

On 11/29/2021 at 12:35 PM, bostonmajet said:

To be fair, Rosen was picked at 10 I think. Let's look at Mayfield - he had his ups and downs and into his fifth year, Cleveland still doesn't know what to do with him. I hope that isn't us, but ...

Look at Maholmes - The guy was great  and so was his team - this year he is struggling - this concept that a fan - who doesn't know as much as coaches and doesn't see everything that is happening in practice - knows Zack is a bust or that Zack will be great is ridiculous. It is even harder to determine when the team has almost half of their players being a rookie or 2nd year, brand new schemes and new coaching staffs.

We won't know anything for sure until middle/end of next year at the earliest. Most likely not until the following year. If it was easy, every team would have a top 10 QB (which of course is impossible).

The real question is why are Jets fans rooting against him? I understand not being convinced or not liking the GM/HC, but to actively root against the kid - that is mind blowing...

Could you please find a post where someone is actively rooting against him?  Thinking he's been terrible and actively rooting against him are not the same thing.

Also, Mahommes is struggling to the tune of a 25/11 TD to INT ratio with 290 ypg thus far.  If a Jets QB ever "struggled" to those numbers, 80% of the fanbase would have his face tattooed on their taints.

[ZachEY]

On 11/29/2021 at 12:57 PM, jgb said:

I agree with all this but I'd still like that 2022 plan to involve a credible QB2 should Wilson not show significant improvement over the remaining games. No one is saying throw him away -- at least, not me or the other "haters" I see post here -- but what is so triggering about a little competition?

SEND HIM TO THE GULAGS.

There, I said it.

[UntouchableCrew]

2 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said:

Geno and Darnold were both better though.  Darnold actually was much more “adequate” than I would have guessed.  Geno too.

Sanchez started 3-0 including that epic Week 2 win over the Patriots, so it's easy to gloss over the fact that he stunk.

TBH, if you look at Sanchez's rookie stats it is truly remarkable we were 1 game from the Super Bowl. That team was really good -- it's a shame we didn't go with a veteran QB.

[jgb]

4 minutes ago, ZachEY said:

Could you please find a post where someone is actively rooting against him?  Thinking he's been terrible and actively rooting against him are not the same thing.

Also, Mahommes is struggling to the tune of a 25/11 TD to INT ratio with 290 ypg thus far.  If a Jets QB ever "struggled" to those numbers, 80% of the fanbase would have his face tattooed on their taints.

If you carry an umbrella in your work bag, you’re clearly actively rooting for rain.

[Jet Nut]

20 minutes ago, jgb said:

Lust to want to bring in a guy as QB2. Uh huh. The better question is why does that scare the Zach devotees? Doesn’t line up with the proclaimed confidence in Zach’s godly talent. If you believe Minshew and Trubisky suck but they are so plainly better than Zach in the summer that Saleh just has no choice but to start them… don’t you kind of want that data point?

First of all stop with the Zach devotees.  Im a Jets fan and hes our QB, get over trying to make anyone who is willing to giving him the benefit of the doubt or can see the talents he has into "devotees" as if we're beneath others.  Minshew is total garbage along the lines of wanting Case Keenan as our QB.  I would rather be a ZW devotee that an Minshew devotee.  One of what two in the entire world?  

They didnt want Minshew in competition with ZW because hes their QB, thats the way they wanted it.  Just Jax didnt want Minshew and got rid of him.  Neither Minshew or Trubiski have the natural talent that ZW has, not even close.  Now its up to the Jets and to Zach to develop.  Its not that complicated. All the constant clatter about two QBs who arent here, never were going to be and that no one other than you want here will change a thing

[T0mShane]

5 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

You can lust after Minshew and Trubiski.    

Id rather develop ZW who has more talent than either one of them.  

Can we revisit this “talent” thing? He has a good arm, but his supposed amazing arm strength has been overblown. He doesn’t even have the strongest arm in his own team now that Flacco is here. And that alleged 4.5 foot speed? Not even close. Dude gets run down by nose tackles. 

[Jet Nut]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Can we revisit this “talent” thing? He has a good arm, but his supposed amazing arm strength has been overblown. He doesn’t even have the strongest arm in his own team now that Flacco is here. And that alleged 4.5 foot speed? Not even close. Dude gets run down by nose tackles. 

Yes his arm strength is overblown by everyone, everywhere other than those here who get some strange satisfaction dumping on our players.  

You can argue against the scouting reports, the ex QBs and players etc who see it

 

[ZachEY]

5 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

We handled the Darnold situation perfectly.

I'd say that particular praise goes to the Browns and the Giants.

[T0mShane]

3 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Yes his arm strength is overblown by everyone, everywhere other than those here who get some strange satisfaction dumping on our players.  

You can argue against the scouting reports, the ex QBs and players etc who see it

 

The pre-draft scouting reports are notoriously free from hyperbole.

[jgb]

21 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

First of all stop with the Zach devotees.  Im a Jets fan and hes our QB, get over trying to make anyone who is willing to giving him the benefit of the doubt or can see the talents he has into "devotees" as if we're beneath others.  Minshew is total garbage along the lines of wanting Case Keenan as our QB.  I would rather be a ZW devotee that an Minshew devotee.  One of what two in the entire world?  

They didnt want Minshew in competition with ZW because hes their QB, thats the way they wanted it.  Just Jax didnt want Minshew and got rid of him.  Neither Minshew or Trubiski have the natural talent that ZW has, not even close.  Now its up to the Jets and to Zach to develop.  Its not that complicated. All the constant clatter about two QBs who arent here, never were going to be and that no one other than you want here will change a thing

Hey sorry but I think the team is pretty good but one man — Zach — is having an outsized negative influence on its fortunes. You think the entire team and staff — like 100 people in total — have failed Zach. For your own sake, don’t play the Real Fan Card with me. Plain truth is I’m a helluva lot more positive about the Jets than you.

There is no reason to prefer Josh Johnson on this roster to Trubisky or Minshew unless you’re afraid they’ll show up Zach. There just isn’t — or at least no one has stated a credible one.

[freestater]

I prefer breakdowns aged 12 years plus in the Scottish highlands.

[The Crusher]

31 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said:

I like mine from Abu Dhabi.

Yeah, no you don’t!

[jgb]

Looks at OP’s user name and the characterization of the breakdown as “great,” saves 12 minutes of my life.

[Gibby]

2 minutes ago, freestater said:

I prefer breakdowns aged 12 years plus in the Scottish highlands.

Chivas regal man here. Wat up!!!

[Jet Nut]

10 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The pre-draft scouting reports are notoriously free from hyperbole.

Really?  About arm strength?  Former QBs talking about his arm strength in the preseason were giving us hyperbole?  OK.  But hey, dont give the kid a chance.  

[jgb]

1 minute ago, Jet Nut said:

Really?  About arm strength?  Former QBs talking about his arm strength in the preseason were giving us hyperbole?  OK.  But hey, dont give the kid a chance.  

Zach’s arm strength is like a cannon with a bent barrel. Shoots hard but who knows where it’s going to wind up.

[Jet Nut]

12 minutes ago, jgb said:

Hey sorry but I think the team is pretty good but one man — Zach — is having an outsized negative influence on its fortunes. You think the entire team and staff — like 100 people in total — have failed Zach. For your own sake, don’t play the Real Fan Card with me. Plain truth is I’m a helluva lot more positive about the Jets than you. But you got my beat on the Zach devotion. I’ll give you that one. There is no reason to prefer Josh Johnson on this roster to Trubisky or Minshew unless you’re afraid they’ll show up Zach. There just isn’t — or at least no one has stated a believable one.

No shlt, hes a rookie QB.  All but the one on a really talented team, with a really talented CS are struggling.  Unlike your comment that rookies who struggle and succeed are outliers, its the reverse.    No one has failed him, you've failed in your expectations and patience level, hes a rookie.  Where did I blame the team or staff for his struggles?  You watch the game and understand that rookie QBs have growing pains, of course you do.   

Whats the point of Minshew over Johnson?