PavlovsDogs Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 On 11/27/2021 at 11:04 AM, Barry McCockinner said: Nice looking ride I'm sure he didn't get a manual. Another reason to hate Zack Wilson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flightattendant Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 6 hours ago, PavlovsDogs said: I'm sure he didn't get a manual. Another reason to hate Zack Wilson. Who needs a manual to drive a car? They're pretty self explanatory. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungaman Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 8 hours ago, Dcat said: Those whitewalls! V8 , huge engine. 6 MPG? IIRC, about 18 on the highway, 10 in town. A monster gas tank - people would look around as they heard that gas pump bell keep going off - ding, ding ding, ding .... 472 cubic inch/7/7 litre engine. 4500 lbs. One night, someone rear ended me in NJ at a stop sign in a snowstorm: the poor guy came down the hill behind me, trying to warn me to get out of the way by beeping the horn and flashing his lights, but I had no where to go. Slammed into me, and I'm thinking, I don't have a job, I have liability only insurance, and I can't afford taillights, etc. Boom. I move six inches. We get out of the cars, my car has some scratches in the chrome plated bumpers, his small sedan looked like he had hit an overhead subway stanchion. Fluids leaking everywhere. He just looks at the cars and me and says, "well, I guess you don't need to see my insurance card." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 6 hours ago, PavlovsDogs said: I'm sure he didn't get a manual. Another reason to hate Zack Wilson. Looks like he's got his hand on a stick. Folks just looking for reasons to hate the kid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 On 11/28/2021 at 9:31 AM, The Crusher said: With 5 kids, at one time we were a two Chevy Suburban family. Literally packed them both with people and gear going to beach or camping. I love the empty nester lifestyle we have earned, just starting the grandparents stage. Yay, now my wife has a nice mid size sedan and I have a truck to haul my fat ass. We had 2 Suburbans back to back. Most utility of any car I've ever had. So much room, used to put one of the seats down and it was like a gym back there for the kids. [All buckled in] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 On 11/27/2021 at 8:58 PM, the Claw said: Nothing screams “compensating” like a BMW. Such an old tired line. News flash: bmws are really nice and fun to own. I also own lots of guns, so i guess that means…. That like…. Uhhh you know. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 All the people who have defended Zach are basically saying the same thing. He has only played about 6 games. I understand there is a big jump from college to the NFL but we are seeing the other rookies starting to settle in. Both Michael Carter's, Moore, AVT, even Echoles before he was hurt was showing improvement. Has Zach fixed anything? I think yesterday he made a real effort to play within the offensive system but what we saw is he wasn't really that good at it. More so his receivers bailed him out on some of the short passes by catching the low pass or ball thrown behind them rather than Zach making well timed and placed passes. So do we just give Zach a pass on the rest of the season? I know some are not giving him a pass at all and I don't think there is a QB in this coming draft class that is worth giving Zach the Rosen treatment, but even as bad a Peyton was in his first season, it was just the massive amount of picks. You could see the other great attributes. I just don't see it with Zach. Actually every game I see a new issue. This game was the first one I saw he had no touch on some short ones. How long until the light goes on. It already has for the other rookies. Edit for Maxman Yes, I know we won. That doesn't mean our QB is taking the same steps forward the other rookies are. 4 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post maury77 Posted November 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2021 He isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. Earliest you can even have this discussion is 2023. 6 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NYJ37/12 Posted November 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2021 Are you seeing other rookie qb's settle in besides Jones, who walked into an established system and team? 15 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 12 games will be a fair evaluation. That is what he will have when the season ends and he stays healthy/doesn't get benched. I think at that point we will know what we have to do in the offseason with QB. Are we cutting him? Of course not, but an actual QB competition in 22 may be in order. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 1 minute ago, NYJ37/12 said: Are you seeing other rookie qb's settle in besides Jones, who walked into an established system and team? I really haven't seen enough of the other QB'S to answer that. Form what I have read about Fields is he has shown improvement. I think I watched one qrt of Jacksonville. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted November 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2021 It’s 19 starts. If Wilson sucks after 19 starts, you bench him or soft-IR him to save your own job. Anything longer than that, and you end up tanking your own career as a HC because it looks like you put the player over the team. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gastineau Lives Posted November 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: I really haven't seen enough of the other QB'S to answer that. Form what I have read about Fields is he has shown improvement. I think I watched one qrt of Jacksonville. His last game he was 4 for 11 for 79 yards. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gastineau Lives Posted November 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2021 I was wondering why there weren't any Zach Wilson threads. I'm so glad I found one. 2 1 1 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HawkeyeJet Posted November 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2021 Are you insinuating the learning curve for a Rookie QB and other positions are similar? Kind of seems that way. Not everything is concrete. There is no time frame that says, well by his 500th pass attempt, if he’s not good it’s time to cut bait. People develop at different rates. Start at different starting points. He shouldn’t “get a pass” for anything. He also shouldn’t be written off as a failure either. It’s not that hard. I’d ask this to anyone who thinks they have a firm grasp on what Wilson is now and into the future. What purpose does it serve to be so definitive so early? Does it give you hope? Does it hide your disappointment? I truly don’t get it. 12 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted November 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: I’d ask this to anyone who thinks they have a firm grasp on what Wilson is now and into the future. What purpose does it serve to be so definitive so early? Does it give you hope? Does it hide your disappointment? I truly don’t get it. Wilson’s biggest problem is that Mike White and Josh Johnson came in and showed the world (and his own locker room) that the big issue strangling the Jets is Zach Wilson. 15 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyJoe67 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Not sticking up for Zack here but to be honest this team as a whole has not been showing any signs of growth in any capacity under this coaching staff. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 7 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: before he was hurt was showing improvement. Has Zach fixed anything? I think yesterday he made a real effort to play within the offensive system but what we saw is he wasn't really that good at it. i said this in length on another thread so i wont go into it but to say your right. he is not check down charlie. kid didnt attempt a pass over 20 or so yds. he gets these last 6 games no matter what. sorry to the Mike White fan club. if the kid is going to go down then let him be who he is. whats going to happen is Phila will watch this tape and do what Buffalo did to Mike White and take away the short pass. and it will be a disaster next week. he has to get back to throwing some deep balls. its who he is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 10 minutes ago, T0mShane said: It’s 19 starts. If Wilson sucks after 19 starts, you bench him or soft-IR him to save your own job. Anything longer than that, and you end up tanking your own career as a HC because it looks like you put the player over the team. That’s a pretty arbitrary hard number, lol, but I agree in general with the sentiment. He’ll spend the entire offseason as the incumbent starting QB, and start next season in that role. They might want to bring in a different/better backup in the offseason on the off chance they look to make a change. Will definitely want to see some improvement over the rest of the year, and a jump next year. But I don’t know when they’ll bail on him. Josh Allen sucked for two full seasons. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMA Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 All of these threads and replies asking if they should start White and/or draft a new QB are beyond the perceived stupidity of this fanbase from outsiders. Our rookie qb is learning everyday as is our rookie coaching staff. They fell behind on the road yesterday against a professional NFL team who had just beaten the #1 seed in the AFC. Rather than fold the team managed the game, found a gameplan they saw an advantage with and won the game. To me the lesson for Zach is you do not have to play hero ball and to let the game come to you. Was I pleased with some of the throws ? Of course not but I am much more looking at the mental side of the game for him and how he responds to adversity. Rather than piss and moan like half this board he said the right things and knows where he needs to get better. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68JET11 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 I was psych'd when we drafted him and will give him this year, but I see signs that he has not progressed in the area's I expected. I can't believe how inaccurate he is with short passes, and most routes. There have been wow throws, but there have been a lot of bad wow throws also. I'm as optimistic as the rest when it comes to those who support him, but I'll be the first to admit, it's not looking great right now. I'm not sure what it is, but this does not look like the same guy in OTA's, Training Camp, or preseason. I've only got to believe it's in his head at this time, because he wasn't this erratic then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 16 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: Are you insinuating the learning curve for a Rookie QB and other positions are similar? Kind of seems that way. Not everything is concrete. There is no time frame that says, well by his 500th pass attempt, if he’s not good it’s time to cut bait. People develop at different rates. Start at different starting points. He shouldn’t “get a pass” for anything. He also shouldn’t be written off as a failure either. It’s not that hard. I’d ask this to anyone who thinks they have a firm grasp on what Wilson is now and into the future. What purpose does it serve to be so definitive so early? Does it give you hope? Does it hide your disappointment? I truly don’t get it. First off, WR is one of the most difficult positions to transition to and Moore seems to have done it. AVT is playing a OL scheme he has never seen before. None of the OL have and he is looking very good. Zach is having problems with the basics. Yes, every so often the kid makes a play and some really good throws but it's like maybe 50% of his passes you are saying what is wrong with him. Even the short pass to Barrios where he had the long RAC, it was a low pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 17 minutes ago, JerseyJoe67 said: Not sticking up for Zack here but to be honest this team as a whole has not been showing any signs of growth in any capacity under this coaching staff. That isn't true. There are still issues but some players are growing into there roles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GangGreened Posted November 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2021 17 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Wilson’s biggest problem is that Mike White and Josh Johnson came in and showed the world (and his own locker room) that the big issue strangling the Jets is Zach Wilson. This. It’s what these guys that will shamelessly defend Wilson to no end want to ignore. We were terrible on offense with Zach. Zach exits. We lead the LEAGUE in offensive yards when Zach is out. Re insert Zach. Offense is back to being terrible. it’s not the offensive line. It’s not the weaponz. It’s not LaFleur. It’s not where he calls plays from. The issue is Zach Wilson is the 4th best QB on this roster 9 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 15 minutes ago, doitny said: i said this in length on another thread so i wont go into it but to say your right. he is not check down charlie. kid didnt attempt a pass over 20 or so yds. he gets these last 6 games no matter what. sorry to the Mike White fan club. if the kid is going to go down then let him be who he is. whats going to happen is Phila will watch this tape and do what Buffalo did to Mike White and take away the short pass. and it will be a disaster next week. he has to get back to throwing some deep balls. its who he is. I don't think that will happen. They can't play that game. The Bills didn't respect White to throw deep but everyone knows Zach has a live arm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 I think two years of mostly starting at QB is enough time for fans to judge a QB. However, I think the FO will give Zach 3 years to get it together. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 12 minutes ago, slats said: That’s a pretty arbitrary hard number, lol, but I agree in general with the sentiment. He’ll spend the entire offseason as the incumbent starting QB, and start next season in that role. They might want to bring in a different/better backup in the offseason on the off chance they look to make a change. Will definitely want to see some improvement over the rest of the year, and a jump next year. But I don’t know when they’ll bail on him. Josh Allen sucked for two full seasons. Maybe he is the "incumbent starter" but I think the Front Office and Coaching staff will be a little more antsy in 2022. Alot more is expected of that team in the win loss department with all their picks and another FA offseason. I tend to think if Zach plays badly down the stretch they find a serviceable mid aged QB who gives Zach a real camp competition. I don't think they will ride or die with him in 2022. If he does start week 1 and doesn't make progress I could see a hook around week 4-5. It be sad, because we be in serious bust discussion but the Jets want to win next year imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreened Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Just now, More Cowbell said: I don't think that will happen. They can't play that game. The Bills didn't respect White to throw deep but everyone knows Zach has a live arm A live arm that has shown a propensity to make terrible decisions. They will 100% test him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BurntDice Posted November 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2021 This thread makes it clear that people need to watch other teams besides the jets. Lawrence, Fields, and lance are not “settling in” they have all been the same as Zach or worse. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 As far as time goes, I'll defer to Bill Walsh who always said 25 games is the measuring stick, that at that point you know if the guy is going to be good or not. In that scenario, we are 25% there, and the results are not good. The next 6 games are huge, as you then have a much better sample size. I am not worried right now, but rather frustrated in that I didn't see any change in Zach upon his return. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 14 minutes ago, OMA said: All of these threads and replies asking if they should start White and/or draft a new QB are beyond the perceived stupidity of this fanbase from outsiders. Our rookie qb is learning everyday as is our rookie coaching staff. They fell behind on the road yesterday against a professional NFL team who had just beaten the #1 seed in the AFC. Rather than fold the team managed the game, found a gameplan they saw an advantage with and won the game. To me the lesson for Zach is you do not have to play hero ball and to let the game come to you. Was I pleased with some of the throws ? Of course not but I am much more looking at the mental side of the game for him and how he responds to adversity. Rather than piss and moan like half this board he said the right things and knows where he needs to get better. This is a rediculous post. The Texans were begging the Jets to beat them. Tyrod Taylor is not a quality NFL QB. They have one of the worst run defenses in the league. It was almost comical. The Jets ran the same sweep play all game and I think they stopped it once. They made a practice squad player look like Marcus Allen. You think this was a challenge? GB would have scored 50+ on them. I'll take the win but I know what I saw yesterday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 31 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Wilson’s biggest problem is that Mike White and Josh Johnson came in and showed the world (and his own locker room) that the big issue strangling the Jets is Zach Wilson. What the eff happened to that player we all watched in those pre-season games making all the throws, amazing talent then to watch what he has become a few short weeks later is startlingly (<---is this a word?) different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 8 minutes ago, GangGreened said: A live arm that has shown a propensity to make terrible decisions. They will 100% test him Actually his deep throws aren't the problem. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 47 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: All the people who have defended Zach are basically saying the same thing. He has only played about 6 games. I understand there is a big jump from college to the NFL but we are seeing the other rookies starting to settle in. Both Michael Carter's, Moore, AVT, even Echoles before he was hurt was showing improvement. Has Zach fixed anything? I think yesterday he made a real effort to play within the offensive system but what we saw is he wasn't really that good at it. More so his receivers bailed him out on some of the short passes by catching the low pass or ball thrown behind them rather than Zach making well timed and placed passes. So do we just give Zach a pass on the rest of the season? I know some are not giving him a pass at all and I don't think there is a QB in this coming draft class that is worth giving Zach the Rosen treatment, but even as bad a Peyton was in his first season, it was just the massive amount of picks. You could see the other great attributes. I just don't see it with Zach. Actually every game I see a new issue. This game was the first one I saw he had no touch on some short ones. How long until the light goes on. It already has for the other rookies. Edit for Maxman Yes, I know we won. That doesn't mean our QB is taking the same steps forward the other rookies are. Obviously, QB is a much tougher position so it's not all that helpful to compare him to the other rookies. I am not saying I'm not discouraged. I'm just not sure how relevant the progress of the non-QB rookies is. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted November 29, 2021 Author Share Posted November 29, 2021 34 minutes ago, JerseyJoe67 said: Not sticking up for Zack here but to be honest this team as a whole has not been showing any signs of growth in any capacity under this coaching staff. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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