The All Things Zach Wilson Thread: MERGED

[T0mShane]

They are like mirror images of each other imho

[Sonny Werblin]

14 minutes ago, Ben Had said:

Unfortunately it comes down to final scores. 

Huh!? Then why are fans so down on Zach after he beat the Texans?

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, kevinc855 said:

See, these are one of those overly stretching the narrative pro zach threads....

Just like the Hackenberg comparison thread....

Cmon, is your argument Zach and Mac are doing the same? Cmon, just cmon dude

The title is an interesting comparison between the two

And its 4 of the 6 teams ZW has played, games they have in common

Of course that gets you just so mad.

 

 

 

[BigRy56]

It's not incredibly surprising. The 2 games against the Patriots destroyed any positive narratives about Zach. He's going to need to reverse that narrative with games as impressionable as those were (in the opposite sense, of course...)

[jago]

prob is they're going in different directions right now.

[jago]

3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

They are like mirror images of each other imho

zach is bizarro mac?

[Jet Nut]

2 minutes ago, jago said:

prob is they're going in different directions right now.

ZW has played one game in 5 weeks

 

[Uncle Nicco]

8 minutes ago, rangerous said:

good grief.  i remember when chaddy was neck and neck with tommy boy.  mac has had the benefit of a much better overall team, running attack, and oline.  give the bellichicken his due for getting his team ready to play.

The funny thing here is that Mac jokes is chaddy from a skill set stand point 

[Uncle Nicco]

7 minutes ago, BigRy56 said:

It's not incredibly surprising. The 2 games against the Patriots destroyed any positive narratives about Zach. He's going to need to reverse that narrative with games as impressionable as those were (in the opposite sense, of course...)

You mean one game? He was looking good in his second game 

[More Cowbell]

50 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

It’s clear you don’t really understand what’s happening on this play.  Which is fine, but why pretend like you do?

What it boils down is you want him to throw immediately to his back side read on a route 10 yards short of the marker and then rely on Moore to beat at least 3 defenders to pick up the 1st down.  That’s my point.  Or in different terms, your argument here is ridiculous.

If your argument is that his throw is off the mark, then fine.  It was an inaccurate throw.  It’s about a 5% probability that Moore gets the first with a perfect throw, but 5% is better than zero.

But that doesn’t seem to be your argument in the post I quoted.  You seem to be upset that he “missed” open receivers or misread the defense, which is not remotely close the case.

Wilson has done lots that deserves criticism. However there are lots of examples, you in this thread as one, of people exaggerating what’s going.

Actually that was my argument bozo. He missed a wide open receiver with a clean pocket to the teams most dynamic WR. But keep talking. Just love the way you put words in my mouth. 

 

[BigRy56]

3 minutes ago, Uncle Nicco said:

You mean one game? He was looking good in his second game 

Unfortunately I think the only takeaway non-Jet fans would have from the Pats games is that he threw 4 picks in one and got hurt in/missed 4 games after the other

[Sonny Werblin]

I feel like no one ever really watches Mac Jones play. He excels at the short stuff and the Pats have catered the offense to his short passes. In addition to not testing his arm, they also use a lot of sit down, button hook and flare patterns. They've completely abandoned their old staple of the wheel route. It is truly a master class in helping a rookie QB succeed. And I'm not taking credit away from Jones because the guy is a rookie and he is doing it. He's not crapping the bed on blitzes or forcing the ball into coverage. He is playing like a seasoned game manager. And he's gaining a ton of confidence. But, even at his best, he'll never be considered a top 10 QB in the NFL, and that is fine for BB because he doesn't want a top 10 QB. He wants a game manager because he believes coaching, rather than great players, wins games.

 

[PFSIKH]

46 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

If you look at the DVOA of the defenses Zach has played he has played 5 of his 7 starts against the Top 6 pass defenses in the NFL. This might provide a little perspective that maybe we should be patient and not just jump ship just yet.

Zach has 4 TDs according to ESPN.  Sooooooo......

 

 

[harris5214]

Now compare their overall completion % under 15 yards


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[SomebodytoAnybody47]

49 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

See, these are one of those overly stretching the narrative pro zach threads....

Just like the Hackenberg comparison thread....

Cmon, is your argument Zach and Mac are doing the same? Cmon, just cmon dude

Doing the same against those teams. It’s right there. 

[HawkeyeJet]

1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

What does this even mean.  Every single NFL QB, throws a few bad passes a game.  Hes a rookie, he'll get better but will still throw a couple of bad passes a game.  How many has he thrown in his 6 games, have a number?

I was defending him on that play you putz

[Wit]

54 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

They are like mirror images of each other imho

If Zach looked into a melted candle mirror, sure. 

[JohnnyLV]

34 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

I feel like no one ever really watches Mac Jones play. He excels at the short stuff and the Pats have catered the offense to his short passes. In addition to not testing his arm, they also use a lot of sit down, button hook and flare patterns. They've completely abandoned their old staple of the wheel route. It is truly a master class in helping a rookie QB succeed. And I'm not taking credit away from Jones because the guy is a rookie and he is doing it. He's not crapping the bed on blitzes or forcing the ball into coverage. He is playing like a seasoned game manager. And he's gaining a ton of confidence. But, even at his best, he'll never be considered a top 10 QB in the NFL, and that is fine for BB because he doesn't want a top 10 QB. He wants a game manager because he believes coaching, rather than great players, wins games.

 

I semi-hate Belichick and McDaniels but what they are doing with Jones is amazing.

Both are trying to "protect" their young QBs while allowing them to take some level of additional risk at times.

LaFleur is doing this with RUN RUN PASS. When calling games for Zach he has been completely unimaginative. He changed away from that for White, Johnson and Flacco but went right back to it when Zach returned. It is predictable and regularly puts Zach in known passing situations. It might not be LaFleur though, Saleh could be forcing LaFleur into WC Offense 101 thinking it is the way to develop Zach

NE though is finding a way to be conservative but at the same time being very unpredictable on first and second downs. They run all types of plays and sequences and even though they are simple plays it is difficult on opposing teams to predict, so Jones faces base defenses and does not face too many stacked boxes which enables him to perform.

[Peace Frog]

41 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

I feel like no one ever really watches Mac Jones play. He excels at the short stuff and the Pats have catered the offense to his short passes. In addition to not testing his arm, they also use a lot of sit down, button hook and flare patterns. They've completely abandoned their old staple of the wheel route. It is truly a master class in helping a rookie QB succeed. And I'm not taking credit away from Jones because the guy is a rookie and he is doing it. He's not crapping the bed on blitzes or forcing the ball into coverage. He is playing like a seasoned game manager. And he's gaining a ton of confidence. But, even at his best, he'll never be considered a top 10 QB in the NFL, and that is fine for BB because he doesn't want a top 10 QB. He wants a game manager because he believes coaching, rather than great players, wins games.

 

Steve Young (yeah, get it, he's a Zach fan and BYU tout) on Michael Kay literally 5 mins ago and is saying the same thing.  

Three seconds and get the ball out.  Does not have the arm talent that Zach has, won't be able to do what Zach does 2022 and forward.  

Can't wait for the response but not my take.  An HOF QB's take.  Albeit a BYU defender.

[Ken Schroy]

1 hour ago, kevinc855 said:

See, these are one of those overly stretching the narrative pro zach threads....

Just like the Hackenberg comparison thread....

Cmon, is your argument Zach and Mac are doing the same? Cmon, just cmon dude

They both suck?

[Jet Nut]

6 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

I was defending him on that play you putz

I was attempting to agree with you, was in the middle of saying pretty much the same things to Cowbell.  Sorry, reading it now I can see how you could think I was talking to you but I wasnt, I was agreeing with you.  He makes youre head spin with his posts

[Larz]

Zach Jones or Mac Wilson would be a great country singers name lol

[Sonny Werblin]

29 minutes ago, PFSIKH said:

Zach has 4 TDs according to ESPN.  Sooooooo......

 

 

4 passing TDs + 1 running TD = 5 TDs

[Beerfish]

The Flacons are a juggernaut.

[JTJet]

34 minutes ago, PFSIKH said:

Zach has 4 TDs according to ESPN.  Sooooooo......

 

 

1 rushing TD. 

[ZachWilsonSupporter]

enjoy 

[T0mShane]

Yep

[Uncle Nicco]

A meh game, still made a bunch of critical plays and moved the ball. Happens every week across the league, about half the NFL had similar performances last week. 

it’s clear that he is hobbled by the knee and not 100%

[ZachWilsonSupporter]

1 minute ago, Uncle Nicco said:

A meh game, still made a bunch of critical plays and moved the ball. Happens every week across the league, about half the NFL had similar performances last week. 

it’s clear that he is hobbled by the knee and not 100%

That 4th down conversion to Cole was pretty good. Also threw some nice ropes to Moore early in the 2nd half. 

[FidelioJet]

Yes.  Wilson made some nice plays...

He's coming along.

[JustInFudge]

4 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Yep

[JustInFudge]

2 for 2 on threads @ZachWilsonSupporter 

Great new addition! 

[jetstream23]

1 hour ago, johnnysd said:

If you look at the DVOA of the defenses Zach has played he has played 5 of his 7 starts against the Top 6 pass defenses in the NFL. This might provide a little perspective that maybe we should be patient and not just jump ship just yet.

I've been telling you mofos the whole time that Zach is 5 yards better than Mac!

But noooooooo......nobody listens! lol

 

 

[jetstream23]

 

Zach and Mac

[Warfish]

Wait, they both played the mighty Flacons?