The Jets are getting better

[GKnight83]

I like the Jets against the Eagles. 

Jets 27 - Eagles 21

[Lith]

21 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

I do think the Jets are getting better.  I also think think that if you look at what this team was designed to look like, and the roster on the field for most of the year, 3 wins at this point is almost surprising.  Especially considering 2 of those were against playoffs teams.

People will disregard the Texans because this or that.  But bad teams gotta start somewhere.  And the best place to start is beating other bad teams.  Then start beating a few teams here and there that might be a little better than you.  Then start beating fringe playoff teams so on and so forth.

I will get my huge eye rolls for this, but it’s ok.  It’s just my opinion and nothing more, I may be entirely off base.  Wins do mean something.  Especially for a young core.  Winning is habitual.  You have to develop the habits to make the small key plays that decide games.  Talent is obviously important too, obviously, but I don’t believe any win is meaningless for young players.

Good post.  And I agree. At some point, a young team needs to learn how to win tight games.  The QB struggled, but the OL, running game, and the defense did a great job.  Especially the defense in the second half.  Once we got the 7 point lead, they did a great job closing out the game.  Did not allow the Texans a first down on the series after the FG, and then did not allow them to get close enough for a hail mary in the final seconds.  I don't care who the opponent was, we have seen Jet teams fail to protect late leads repeatedly during hte last decade.  They did a great job closing out the game yesterday (and the Bengals a few weeks ago).  This is not a good team right now, but there are encouraging signs.

It was only the Texans, but they were the only team we could have beaten this past week.  The Jets struggled early, came back from 11 down, on the road, when it looked like we might get blown out. 

It was a good win, and I enjoyed it.

[sec101row23]

8 minutes ago, Lith said:

Solid post.  There is talent on the offensive side of the ball.  OL may not be top 8, but its not bottom 8 either.  We have some decent backs and enough depth and talent at WR to support a young QB.  Agree that the young QB has not played well, but I don't think we are going to be in the position we were with Darnold.  Was it the QB or the team around him. 

I sure hope Wilson gets better over the last 6 games, but at least we have a decent supporting cast (which hopefully will improve after another offseason) and if we have to move on from him after next year, we should at least have an offense that a better QB can succeed in.

If nothing else, Wilson getting hurt and having the back up QBs execute the offense so well alleviated A LOT of the doubts surrounding LaFleur and also demonstrated that the rest of the offense is capable of being a middle of the pack offense right now.   That’s a huge upgrade over what we’ve had in prior years.  

[TuscanyTile2]

11 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

They also beat two of the better teams in the AFC. The NFL is a week to week proposition.

My Quite Army!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Patriot Killa]

There are certainly more home grown pieces on the team than in last years. MC, Hall, MC2, Moore, AVT, Becton & I think pick ups like Quincy & LDT have looked promising if we’re talking about continuity into 2022. Fant is playing good. Moses isn’t too shabby. There are things to like as of today.

[section314]

40 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

The most encouraging thing is that outside of the QB position, the offense is looking much better. You can see how it's supposed to be run. Claims that there was zero talent on the offense are unfounded. We have a ways to go, but the makings of a solid offense are there -- against the Texans for instance we ran the ball effectively with three different backs plugged in, the way you expect in this offense. We need to continue to bolster the OL and add some playmakers but there's a core of talented players here and the scheme seems to work when there's competent QB play.

The defense was solid early in the year but has been atrocious over the last several weeks. We just don't have enough talent to overcome the injuries we've sustained. We need to continue to add talent, especially in the front 7. I think 3 of the first 4 picks in the draft will likely be defense.

The biggest issue is simply that Wilson looks awful which is obviously the most pressing concern for the team on a go forward basis. If he is a bust, this regime likely won't work out, even if the team is improving elsewhere.

“Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?”

[RutgersJetFan]

I'm sure this Jets optimism is going to work out wonderfully for you.

[OilfieldJet]

42 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

-- against the Texans for instance we ran the ball effectively with three different backs plugged in,

Really liked this aspect of that game. 

[OilfieldJet]

1 minute ago, section314 said:

“Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?”

Wrong comment I think; we won the game.

[THE BARON]

Ugh... The Patriots are getting better.  The Jets.... Well.  They are the Jets.

As far as sustained success on the filed.  Forget about it and you'll feel a lot better.

You can still be a fan and enjoy the games.  Outstanding individual performances are there to see and there are always exciting plays here and there.  I have not had tickets since 2014, but you can also have a nice time at the stadium even if they lose every single home game.  Keep expectations at zero for on-filed performance and figure on the tailgate being the apex of the day.   Also very entertaining to ignore the game state and watch a particular player or unit for a good spell.  Watching the offensive and defensive with binoculars can be super entertaining.  

[jj71787]

19 minutes ago, GKnight83 said:

I like the Jets against the Eagles. 

Jets 27 - Eagles 21

That's very generous

[Uncle Nicco]

22 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

Why are you so angry? 

Yes the guy who tries to be positive is the angry one. Look in the mirror brother. 

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, Irish Jet said:

We just played a team who don't care even about wins and losses because whatever the result it's all part of God's plan.

Let's play a real franchise before getting crazy. 

So you’re telling us not to jump to conclusions, to take our time and then make assessments

The irony is off the charts  

[Jet Nut]

11 minutes ago, THE BARON said:

Ugh... The Patriots are getting better.  The Jets.... Well.  They are the Jets.

As far as sustained success on the filed.  Forget about it and you'll feel a lot better.

You can still be a fan and enjoy the games.  Outstanding individual performances are there to see and there are always exciting plays here and there.  I have not had tickets since 2014, but you can also have a nice time at the stadium even if they lose every single home game.  Keep expectations at zero for on-filed performance and figure on the tailgate being the apex of the day.   Also very entertaining to ignore the game state and watch a particular player or unit for a good spell.  Watching the offensive and defensive with binoculars can be super entertaining.  

The Patriots weren’t where we are.  They had what 10 players opt out last year and they spent to fill in holes?  They had talent to begin with

[peebag]

This season wasn't about wins/losses because the talent wasn't there to begin with. It was about building culture and resetting the roster.

With that being said, a lot of the games we played in, we've looked horrendous so I think the jury is still out for the remainder of the season.

One big positive is that it looks like Saleh hasn't lost the locker room.

[kevinc855]

42 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

I wouldn't bet the Jets with your money on this one. i hope I am wrong. And I am usually an optimistic one.

I'm not saying we have to win, although that be a statement. But when we beat the Titans, we followed a loss with the Falcons, when we beat the Bengals we got our doors blown off by the Patriots. 

I would like to see some consistency. The Eagles are not a good football team, that said they aren't terrible either. In a home game like this I like to see the Jets keep it close and work hard. 

If they get blown out, I think it dampers the "we are getting better" narrative. That's why I say the game, not so much the result, will tell us alot. 

[LSJF]

1 hour ago, Irish Jet said:

We just played a team who don't care even about wins and losses because whatever the result it's all part of God's plan.

Let's play a real franchise before getting crazy. 

We beat two good teams in the bengals and Tennessee (w Derrick Henry) so there’s that

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, freestater said:

As the creator of the fire Joe Douglas thread, and a completely cynical skeptic of this regime, I think its only fair to note that the Jets are getting better. The beginning of the year couldn't have started out worse. The new staff looked like a step backwards, even from Gase. While the defense has struggled as of late, the offense has gotten their feet underneath them. LDT, in limited action so far has already been marginally better than GVR especially in the run game. If he can recapture that 2019 version of himself, we may have a good long term answer at RG. 

It certainly became a blessing to have Zach sit a few games. The offense showed that it could competently execute given a signal caller making good decisions. I even think Zach was playing better as the game went on Sunday. I'm looking forward to seeing if he can build on that the next few weeks. 

Yes, and Belichick is a scumbag.  

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

We beat the worst team in the AFC (though they'd be far better than us sans Deshaun legal troubles).

They won 4 games with Watson last year

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, ZachWilsonSupporter said:

Zach Wilson is an asset not a liability 

He's only been an asset in one game this year and a liability in the rest of his games, so.....

[docdhc]

1 hour ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

We beat the worst team in the AFC (though they'd be far better than us sans Deshaun legal troubles).

Wait I thought everyone here thought we were the worst team in the AFC. 

[undertow]

I don't know if the Jets are getting better but at least they drafted a few young offensive players high and are trying to build a fun offense which is more interesting then your best players being safeties and run stuffing lineman.

[RevisIsland610]

1 hour ago, Scott Dierking said:

I wouldn't bet the Jets with your money on this one. i hope I am wrong. And I am usually an optimistic one.

I agree. I have a feeling it's going to be a 2-3 TD loss.

[section314]

1 hour ago, OilfieldJet said:

Wrong comment I think; we won the game.

It was in relation to the point that the most pressing issue is that Wilson looks terrible. I agree with the OP that we are getting better, but the fact that Wilson isn't progressing is the only thing that really matters at this juncture.

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, OilfieldJet said:

Wrong comment I think; we won the game.

Keep repeating this to make yourself feel better while we get blown out by the Eagles.

Playing bad is playing bad, even in games where you win.  And in a year where W-L record doesn't matter a whole lot, HOW we play is far more important than wins and losses.  I'd rather have seen the team play well in a shootout loss than win the way we did on Sunday.

[LSJF]

Just now, section314 said:

It was in relation to the point that the most pressing issue is that Wilson looks terrible. I agree with the OP that we are getting better, but the fact that Wilson isn't progressing is the only thing that really matters at this juncture.

Why is he not Peyton after six games? Why why?

[Jetsfan80]

29 minutes ago, docdhc said:

Wait I thought everyone here thought we were the worst team in the AFC. 

When you're splitting hairs over which team is the worst in the AFC, there's very little to be excited about.

[playtowinthegame]

EAGLES 30

JETS 23

Jets miss an XP and Eagles cover 7 point spread.

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, LSJF said:

Why is he not Peyton after six games? Why why?

No one is demanding him to look like Peyton, but it would sure be nice if he stopped looking like a worse version of Sam Darnold at some point this season.  

[UnknownJetFan]

1 hour ago, UntouchableCrew said:

The most encouraging thing is that outside of the QB position, the offense is looking much better. You can see how it's supposed to be run. Claims that there was zero talent on the offense are unfounded. We have a ways to go, but the makings of a solid offense are there -- against the Texans for instance we ran the ball effectively with three different backs plugged in, the way you expect in this offense. We need to continue to bolster the OL and add some playmakers but there's a core of talented players here and the scheme seems to work when there's competent QB play.

The defense was solid early in the year but has been atrocious over the last several weeks. We just don't have enough talent to overcome the injuries we've sustained. We need to continue to add talent, especially in the front 7. I think 3 of the first 4 picks in the draft will likely be defense.

The biggest issue is simply that Wilson looks awful which is obviously the most pressing concern for the team on a go forward basis. If he is a bust, this regime likely won't work out, even if the team is improving elsewhere.

2 things: 

1) The QB did look awful or there would not have been 3-4 acting drives that were long drives as Saleh said. Awful would be having only 1-2 acting drives and 3 ints.

2) Defense has given up only around 20 points a games the last 2 weeks. Let’s see if that trend continues.

[UnknownJetFan]

3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

No one is demanding him to look like Peyton, but it would sure be nice if he stopped looking like a worse version of Sam Darnold at some point this season.  

Ah, Sam in his 3rd year won only 2 games both at home, and Zack has already won 2 games one on the road, with 6 games to go. I know we can say we have a better O, but our D has played much worse than last year and our FG kicker looks like every kick is in 100 mph winds.

[LSJF]

5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

No one is demanding him to look like Peyton, but it would sure be nice if he stopped looking like a worse version of Sam Darnold at some point this season.  

He will, correctable issues, mainly cause he is green, he won rookie of the week while trying to figure it out….

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, LSJF said:

He will, correctable issues, mainly cause he is green, he won rookie of the week while trying to figure it out….

Well I'm certainly glad you have hope.  

[kevinc855]

1 minute ago, UnknownJetFan said:

Ah, Sam in his 3rd year won only 2 games both at home

just to be fair....one was in LA, one was at home

[Warfish]

2 hours ago, freestater said:

As the creator of the fire Joe Douglas thread, and a completely cynical skeptic of this regime, I think its only fair to note that the Jets are getting better. The beginning of the year couldn't have started out worse. The new staff looked like a step backwards, even from Gase. While the defense has struggled as of late, the offense has gotten their feet underneath them. LDT, in limited action so far has already been marginally better than GVR especially in the run game. If he can recapture that 2019 version of himself, we may have a good long term answer at RG. 

It certainly became a blessing to have Zach sit a few games. The offense showed that it could competently execute given a signal caller making good decisions. I even think Zach was playing better as the game went on Sunday. I'm looking forward to seeing if he can build on that the next few weeks. 

 

I think certain pieces are playing better.

I don't know if that really equated to "the Jets" as a whole playing better, honestly.

Full evaluation pending at year end, of course, but so far the improvement is quite limited.

Now, if the D shows up and gets three TO's against the Eagles, and Zach and the passing O plays better and more consistently too, I might be more amenable to agreement on this point.

Now, after the no-account Texans gave us a real game, I'm not ready to agree just yet.