Popular Post Warfish Posted December 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2021 QB - Wilson, TBD? RB - Carter perhaps? Anyone else? WR - Moore? Berrios as the Returner+bottom of roster WR? Anyone else? OL- AVT seems likely. Becton, opinions seems split of long-term/health. Are any of the others long-termers foundations at this point? TE - ? No one yet? In terms of future-planning for a successful, top-10 type productive Offense, what pieces do you think we already have in-place to build around? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jetscanes331 Posted December 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2021 I think Carter and Moore are gonna be studs. Early returns are good. I personally love Berrios and would be happy to see him here for a long time. There are very few players with his toughness and utility. Obviously Wilson. I'm not worried about Becton in the slightest. He and AVT should be stalwarts. I'm optimistic that our offensive drafting has been relatively solid. If we have another draft like the prior one, having 7-8 dudes on offense who are guaranteed keepers is a great way to start. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slimjasi Posted December 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2021 Besides Moore and Carter, Corey Davis is also definitely going to be here next year, so he's going to get every opportunity to carve out a role for himself. I also wouldn't be opposed to resigning Crowder because I just think he's a good player and would be very affordable, but that probably won't happen. On the OL: AVT is a definite. I actually think LDT and McGovern both have a decent chance to be part of the future, as well. And I haven't given up on Becton. What happened to him this year could happen to any OL in the league on any play. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscanes331 Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 To add, the remaining positions of need on offense (interior O line, TE) can be addressed in later rounds of the draft. Our offense should be remarkably better next year as long as Zach progresses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscanes331 Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Just now, slimjasi said: Besides Moore and Carter, Corey Davis is also definitely going to be here next year, so he's going to get every opportunity to carve out a role for himself. I also wouldn't be opposed to resigning Crowder because I just think he's a good player and would be very affordable, but that probably won't happen. Davis needs to hold onto the ball but I agree he's not going anywhere. Crowder is as good as gone sadly. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Presumably Zach Wilson, Mekhi Becton, Alijah Vera-Tucker, Elijah Moore, and Michael Carter are penciled in as "core" members of the offense we're building around. Denzel Mims clearly should be in this group but... Yeah. Whether Wilson pans out and Becton stays healthy is unclear, but I'd assume for sure the front office and coaching staff is moving forward with these guys as their foundational pieces and will continue to add playmakers and bolster the line. Drafting a C or R, TE, and another WR seems likely. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Nobody thinks Quinnen Williams is a long-term piece? Let's not make him the next Leonard Williams. Edit: My mistake. This is about offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted December 1, 2021 Author Share Posted December 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said: Nobody thinks Quinnen Williams is a long-term piece? Let's not make him the next Leonard Williams. The thread was specific to Offense. QW plays Defense. 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darnold's Forehead Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Tbh at this point AVT, Moore and Carter seem like the only definitive young studs to build around. With the doctor now at RG over Van Rotten, we now have some options at O-line. If you figure Moses isn’t coming back (who knows) we are then relying on Becton to stay healthy (perfectly fine with Fant at LT or RT). AVT is a lock. Would probably look to upgrade C or RG (maybe move McGovern moves over depending on how the Doc plays long term). TEs MUST BE PRIORITIZED. WRs are whatever. Davis has sucked so far but he’ll probably stick around another year or 2. I’d personally bring Cole back next year as #3/4 if Mims continues to be a no show. RB committee is really whatever as well. My preferred draft would be (possible trade down) OL and TE with 2/4 of our first picks, and heavily defense the rest of the draft. Offense really just comes down to the QB at this point. The OL is starting to gel and LaFluer is earning his paycheck. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said: Nobody thinks Quinnen Williams is a long-term piece? Let's not make him the next Leonard Williams. We could probably use him as a situational short yardage rusher? Maybe throw him a pass in the back of the endzone every once in a blue moon? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecuadorian Jet Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 35 minutes ago, Warfish said: QB - Wilson, TBD? RB - Carter perhaps? Anyone else? WR - Moore? Berrios as the Returner+bottom of roster WR? Anyone else? OL- AVT seems likely. Becton, opinions seems split of long-term/health. Are any of the others long-termers foundations at this point? TE - ? No one yet? QB - Wilson... the team is invested in him RB - Carter and Ty Johnson WR - Moore, Berrios and Davis OL- AVT and LDT TE - nothing Free Agency for TE and WR, Draft for olinemen 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 I'll add two....still think Cam Clarke on the OL and, surprise, surprise, Matt Amendola. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Nicco Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Moore is a piece, he’s not a #1 target. This team is desperately missing a big go to reliable target. Mahomes and Allen can literally lock in to Kelce and Diggs for critical downs. We need that 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 11 minutes ago, Warfish said: The thread was specific to Offense. QW plays Defense. My bad...As soon as I saw the words long-term pieces I jumped right in the thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 12 minutes ago, slimjasi said: We could probably use him as a situational short yardage rusher? Maybe throw him a pass in the back of the endzone every once in a blue moon? I like it. He could do his Karate Kid kick after scoring some goal line touchdowns. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JustInFudge Posted December 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2021 Foundation players; AVT, Moore, Carter and we're hoping for Becton, Mims, Wilson. If the later hit, the offense foundation is legit and all I think you really need, is a TE and arguably a C/IOL but you could move forward with this roster and have a lot of success with the right QB. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 29 minutes ago, slimjasi said: Besides Moore and Carter, Corey Davis is also definitely going to be here next year, so he's going to get every opportunity to carve out a role for himself. I also wouldn't be opposed to resigning Crowder because I just think he's a good player and would be very affordable, but that probably won't happen. On the OL: AVT is a definite. I actually think LDT and McGovern both have a decent chance to be part of the future, as well. And I haven't given up on Becton. What happened to him this year could happen to any OL in the league on any play. Fluke injuries do occur, but bechton was bad prior to that anyway. I think one of the interesting draft debates here will be, should the jets take Neal from Alabama if he’s clearly BAP. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 12 minutes ago, Uncle Nicco said: Moore is a piece, he’s not a #1 target. This team is desperately missing a big go to reliable target. Mahomes and Allen can literally lock in to Kelce and Diggs for critical downs. We need that No kidding there. Hopefully we get one then Moore could be our Tyreek Hill. Josh Allen all of a sudden seem to find his accuracy after they signed Diggs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Just now, Augustiniak said: Fluke injuries do occur, but bechton was bad prior to that anyway. I think one of the interesting draft debates here will be, should the jets take Neal from Alabama if he’s clearly BAP. I would have no problem taking Neal, but Becton was bad for like a quarter of football, right? He had a very good rookie season and has elite physical talent 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 In terms of starters: Offense: Corey Davis, Elijah Moore, Michael Carter, Mehki Becton, AVT, and Connor McGovern TBD: Nick Bawden looks like our answer at FB. Too early to be definitive on that though. Obviously Zach is TBD as well. Missing: TE, WR, OG, and OT. I’m ok with LDT and Fant/Moses short term. A TE and WR #1 are pending though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 37 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said: Nobody thinks Quinnen Williams is a long-term piece? Let's not make him the next Leonard Williams. The OP asked for offensive players. Edit: disregard. Just noticed another poster already responded to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 38 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said: Nobody thinks Quinnen Williams is a long-term piece? Let's not make him the next Leonard Williams. He plays defense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Barry McCockinner Posted December 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2021 14 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: Fluke injuries do occur, but bechton was bad prior to that anyway. I think one of the interesting draft debates here will be, should the jets take Neal from Alabama if he’s clearly BAP. Since when was Becton bad prior to being injured? There's also no freakin H in Becton. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 23 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said: My bad...As soon as I saw the words long-term pieces I jumped right in the thread. Okay. I’ll let it go this one time. ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Just now, Barry McCockinner said: Since when was Becton bad prior to being injured? There's also no freakin H in Becton. Why did you try to spell heart with just an H? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 I keep whining about this one issue, the jets were doing well on the offensive rebuild after a decade or more of neglect. After taking a pass rusher with their 1st pick we are set up to add another high end oline, add one of he better tight ends and perhaps a good wr after. then along comes our atrocious defense for our defenscentirc head coach and all that is going to go out the window. We will be drafting ilbs and safeties this coming draft when we should keep going offense. That is my fear. Have we added some good players on O? yes, are we done? no 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 QB - Wilson, White RB - Carter, Johnson, Walter(??? Familiar with the system, Darren Sproles type) FB - Bawden WR - Davis, Moore, Berrios, Mims(???) TE - Yeboah OL - Becton, Vera-Tucker, McGovern, Laurent-Tardiff, Fant 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Ty Johnson is under contract for 2022 and an RFA after that. I'd resign Coleman and Berrios. Fant is signed thru next year, I’d extend him, too. They have some players to work with. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted December 1, 2021 Author Share Posted December 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, Beerfish said: I keep whining about this one issue, the jets were doing well on the offensive rebuild after a decade or more of neglect. After taking a pass rushers with their 1st pick we are set up to add another high end oline, add one of he better tight ends and perhaps a good wr after. then along comes our atrocious defense for our defenscentirc head coach and all that is going to go out the window. We will be drafting ilbs and safeties this coming draft when we should keep going offense. That is my fear. Have we added some good players on O? yes, are we done? no Given our cap space available and our surplus of high draft picks, I actually think we're in a very good spot to simply cut the Gordian knot next offseason. i.e. we have enough picks to draft O AND D, and enough cap space to fill gaps on both O and D, subject to FA availability, of course. I honestly don't expect JD to go Full Defense. I expect something of an even split, to continue to support Zach and the O, while also filling a few gaps on Defense. Keep in mind, we get Carl Lawson, our big FA buy this year, back next year as well. No idea how he'll look, but we do get him back. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BCJet Posted December 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2021 Its mind boggling to me that there is only 1 or 2 mentions of Fant in this thread. He wont be 30 until training camp, has excelled in this system and as of last week hasnt allowed a sack this season (not sure if he did or not vs the Texans). A guy like him, who has minimal miles on his body, can easily play at a high level for his 30, 31 and 32 year old seasons - how is that not someone who is a building block? I was firmly against moving Becton to RT simply because "right tackles should be more run blockers..." and felt it was smarter to bring him along at his natural position. But if Fant continues to play at this high of a level (and yes to all the detractors hes been that good) he should stay at LT and we move Becton to RT. It keeps a strong player at a position he seems most comfortable at and truth be told, Becton has not shown that he can be trusted to stay healthy or in shape. I get that Becton's injury was a fluke but it was a 4-8 week injury and that was 11 weeks ago and he still isnt ready. Thats not a player who can be trusted. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj meadowlands Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 I think about this in several tiers... Studs AVT and Moore appear to be the only two by virtue of being potentially great players The Good Rookie Carter, due to his solid performance and rookie contract, should also be considered "in hand" and will hopefully be around at least until his rookie deal runs out The Talented, Giant Question Mark Becton, assuming he can stay healthy (which is a question mark as big as his butt), The QB Wilson, only because of the Jets' investment of him and his rookie deal. Hopefully they have the sense to make an evaluation after he has played 20 games and pull the band-aid if need be. Contracts Davis is signed for a few years. We'll consider him in-hand. The rest, well, do they matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 31 minutes ago, Green Ghost said: Okay. I’ll let it go this one time. ? Were you entertained by our Orange win over the undefeated Hoosiers last night? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 32 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: Since when was Becton bad prior to being injured? There's also no freakin H in Becton. Not bad just Uhhhh, errrr, baby… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Warfish said: RB - Carter perhaps? I love Carter but if we keep running him up the gut 20 times a game he's not going to be a long term anything. He could be our Saquon Barkley- a year or 2 of production then injury making him ineffective. Please let him run outside more, more screens out in space. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Uncle Nicco said: Moore is a piece, he’s not a #1 target. This team is desperately missing a big go to reliable target. Mahomes and Allen can literally lock in to Kelce and Diggs for critical downs. We need that Not sure why Moore can't be a #1 target. That KC team you were talking about use Tyreek Hill as a #1 target, not Kelce. Tyreek has 122 targets to Kelce's 97. Not to mention, Diggs is not a big target (just 6ft), he is just bigger than Moore. I do agree, that having a big target helps and that C Davis is not that guy, but there is nothing preventing Moore from being a #1 WR aside from the old school bias about smallish WRs. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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