OL playing much better, but Wilson isn't

[BigRy56]

It is on Zach. The OL is fine, the run game has been improving throughout the year, and I would argue that the Jets receiving corp is above average when healthy. I have actually been impressed with MLF as well. 

There’s no TE to speak of but by all means Zach has no excuses outside of him being a rookie.

[kevinc855]

Zach stinks....

It really comes down to that

Will he stink forever? Not sure yet

But its hard to debate he stinks now

[slats]

1 hour ago, Barry McCockinner said:

The main problem IMO is that LaFleur only calls teh good plays for the other 12 QB's we've seen run the offense with efficiency. He likes to call it differently for Wilson, specifically, he calls teh bad plays with a much higher frequency.

I get that this is the big new joke now, but also the play calling was more conservative with Zach in the lineup once again. I’m sure there’s more than one factor, such as the running game actually being effective, but it does seem like he’s not trusting Wilson as much as the other QBs. And that’s also understandable, but I think he’s doing the rookie a disservice. Rather than trying to protect him with the running game, he should try to get him into a more comfortable rhythm throwing the ball. It’s the only way he’s gonna learn. 

[Augustiniak]

Just now, BigRy56 said:

It is on Zach. The OL is fine, the run game has been improving throughout the year, and I would argue that the Jets receiving corp is above average when healthy. I have actually been impressed with MLF as well. 

There’s no TE to speak of but by all means Zach has no excuses outside of him being a rookie.

the OL is not 'fine' all the time.  there are still some plays where wilson is nailed right away.  his hesitance does not help, but let's not sit here and pretend he has this literal brick wall to stand there and go thru all his progressions leisurely.  where i think wilson suffers is that he's still not sure when to get rid of the ball immediately, and when to move around a bit to try to make a bigger play.  

[The Crusher]

48 minutes ago, Jets4Life1979 said:

So Flacco getting destroyed by an unblocked rusher against Miami while we're in the red zone was on wilson too?

Old, always immobile, and  literally played because the coaches felt  neither Wilson or White could handle the constant blitz pressure of Miami. But yeah apples to apples and stuff. Not to mention Flacco put a clinic on of how to handle the blitz his first time stepping into the system. 

[kevinc855]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Isn’t Zach’s entire BYU highlight reel just him running out of the pocket and flipping it downfield to open receivers (who now sell life insurance as a career)?

The DBs he was facing careers include Manager at Applebees, Assistant Manager at Best Buy, Claims Specialist at Geico, and one guy hit it big landing a gig as a Social Studies teacher, and snagged Assistant Defensive Quality coach for a local HS Texas JV football team. 

[Uncle Nicco]

40 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

This ******* guy, what play did hold the ball too long and then literally references a play, where held the ball too long.

lmfao

lol the Moore TD where there was a free rusher and the WR slipped? Lmao yes I guess if Wilson pre determined the throw and threw it recklessly it might have been a TD. “He’s playing hero ball looking for the big play! Holding it too long!” - referencing play that was dead 0.5 seconds after the snap. That play was on Moore for running a sh*t route/slipping and ty Johnson for completely Whiffing on this block 

[Augustiniak]

all i can say is that if lawrence struggled here like he is in jax, the whole nfl world would be accusing the jets of ruining the best qb prospect since peyton.  as it is, we're just seeing how rookie qbs usually struggle, especially those on really bad teams.  

[The Crusher]

5 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

The DBs he was facing careers include Manager at Applebees, Assistant Manager at Best Buy, Claims Specialist at Geico, and one guy hit it big landing a gig as a Social Studies teacher, and snagged Assistant Defensive Quality coach for a local HS Texas JV football team. 

I’ve been an assistant manager at Best Buy for three years Big Kev. Not as easy as you think. 

[Barry McCockinner]

15 minutes ago, slats said:

I get that this is the big new joke now, but also the play calling was more conservative with Zach in the lineup once again. I’m sure there’s more than one factor, such as the running game actually being effective, but it does seem like he’s not trusting Wilson as much as the other QBs. And that’s also understandable, but I think he’s doing the rookie a disservice. Rather than trying to protect him with the running game, he should try to get him into a more comfortable rhythm throwing the ball. It’s the only way he’s gonna learn. 

The play calling has to be different when your QB is not operating efficiently and consistently putting the team in bad down & distance situations. When you stay ahead of the chains the offense opens up. The difference is the QB operating the offense efficiently, and Zack so far is not doing that.

[kevinc855]

10 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

I’ve been an assistant manager at Best Buy for three years Big Kev. Not as easy as you think. 

I'm looking at upgrading to 65 inches under 800. 

Best recommendation? 

[slats]

2 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

The play calling has to be different when your QB is not operating efficiently and consistently putting the team in bad down & distance situations. When you stay ahead of the chains the offense opens up. The difference is the QB operating the offense efficiently, and Zack so far is not doing that.

I completely understand, but still disagree. Zach should be getting more first and second down throws. That’s how a QB gets into a rhythm, connecting on those low pressure passes. Too many times they ran on first and second down putting the continue the drive or punt pressure squarely on Zach with his first throw of any given drive. There are going to be mistakes, but they need to help get him more comfortable and confident. That’s the only way you’re gonna be able to properly develop and evaluate him, not by keeping him in bubble wrap. 

[Augustiniak]

Just now, slats said:

I completely understand, but still disagree. Zach should be getting more first and second down throws. That’s how a QB gets into a rhythm, connecting on those low pressure passes. Too many times they ran on first and second down putting the continue the drive or punt pressure squarely on Zach with his first throw of any given drive. There are going to be mistakes, but they need to help get him more comfortable and confident. That’s the only way you’re gonna be able to properly develop and evaluate him, not by keeping him in bubble wrap. 

the offense stalls when they run on first and second downs.  this usually produces less than 10 yards and an obvious passing 3rd down situation.  the last thing you want to do is put wilson in obvious passing situations.  make the defense guess more.  while they've been better in using the rbs in the passing game, it's a shame they have no reliable TE to use as well.  wilson has no true check down options, and is too reliant on perfectly timed slants most of the time.  It's also a shame they can't figure out how to use Mims' size since he would provide that Toonesque target to help move chains.

[AFJF]

What do you think Zach should have done at this point?

What do you think he did do at this point?

[The Crusher]

18 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

I'm looking at upgrading to 65 inches under 800. 

Best recommendation? 

@Pac

[Scott Dierking]

5 minutes ago, AFJF said:

What do you think Zach should have done at this point?

What do you think he did do at this point?

Look where his eyes are.

What do you think the Left Tackle should have done?

 

[Augustiniak]

Just now, Scott Dierking said:

Look where his eyes are.

What do you think the Left Tackle should have done?

 

this is what happens when a rookie qb loses faith in the OL,  his focus is on survival.  

[Scott Dierking]

7 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

this is what happens when a rookie qb loses faith in the OL,  his focus is on survival.  

He is backed up to his own end zone. He has been killed in rush during his short career. And we can see he is skittish right now. It's 3rd down and long. We have already stated he sometimes has the propensity to tray and make something happen.

Have no idea what he will be, but some of this is just over the top analysis.

[Augustiniak]

5 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

He is backed up to his own end zone. He has been killed in rush during his short career. And we can see he is skittish right now. It's 3rd down and long. We have already stated he sometimes has the propensity to tray and make something happen.

Have no idea what he will be, but some of this is just over the top analysis.

in that play as soon as the LT blew the block wilson was running and that's understandable.  

[JoJoTownsell1]

25 minutes ago, AFJF said:

What do you think Zach should have done at this point?

What do you think he did do at this point?

It is painfully ignorant when an announcer, or fan, looks at a screenshot of a play and assumes a veteran NFL QB (let alone a rookie) can see all 5 options at the same moment and throw the ball to the one guy that is open all while an edge rusher is about to pummel him because the LT sucks. 

Sure, Berrios is wide open, but does he even see Berrios behind the mass of lineman in between him and the WR? 

Either way, it looks like he is looking at the WR at the 20 who is blanketed and by the time he realizes that he probably also realizes his life is in danger thanks to Fant playing tackle from his knees. 

This happens all the time on TV broadcasts where the announcers see a player flying wide open and the QB doesn't throw that way. The announcers, trying to sound smart, ponder what the QB Could have been thinking. 

We all know Wilson needs to play better, but I don't care about a screenshot of a play. You can probably screenshot TB WRs flying open and Brady not "seeing" them also. 

[Augustiniak]

1 minute ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

It is painfully ignorant when an announcer, or fan, looks at a screenshot of a play and assumes a veteran NFL QB (let alone a rookie) can see all 5 options at the same moment and throw the ball to the one guy that is open all while an edge rusher is about to pummel him because the LT sucks. 

Sure, Berrios is wide open, but does he even see Berrios behind the mass of lineman in between him and the WR? 

Either way, it looks like he is looking at the WR at the 20 who is blanketed and by the time he realizes that he probably also realizes his life is in danger thanks to Fant playing tackle from his knees. 

This happens all the time on TV broadcasts where they announcers see a player flying wide open and the QB doesn't throw that way. The announcers, trying to sound smart, ponder what the QB Could have been thinking. 

We all know Wilson needs to play better, but I don't care about a screenshot of a play. You can probably screenshot TB WRs flying open and Brady not "seeing" them also. 

this screenshot is also a good example of how the OL, while it is playing better, is still prone to lapses which blow up some pass plays.  

[Barry McCockinner]

37 minutes ago, slats said:

I completely understand, but still disagree. Zach should be getting more first and second down throws. That’s how a QB gets into a rhythm, connecting on those low pressure passes. Too many times they ran on first and second down putting the continue the drive or punt pressure squarely on Zach with his first throw of any given drive. There are going to be mistakes, but they need to help get him more comfortable and confident. That’s the only way you’re gonna be able to properly develop and evaluate him, not by keeping him in bubble wrap. 

If you have numbers to support a higher percentage of first and second down run plays w/Zack I'd like to see that.

[AFJF]

2 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

this screenshot is also a good example of how the OL, while it is playing better, is still prone to lapses which blow up some pass plays.  

Okay, how about here?  While the protection is still holding up and Berrios is the only guy open on the play, standing a few feet away?

 

[Jet2020]

Relax guys. Wilson is our bridge QB to the next first round bust. 

[Scott Dierking]

4 minutes ago, AFJF said:

Okay, how about here?  While the protection is still holding up and Berrios is the only guy open on the play, standing a few feet away?

 

The texans, smartly, were giving him the underneath on a 3rd and long. Should Wilson have taken it? YES!!!!

But understand the kid is looking to make a play for a first down. And I admire that moxie at times, if done smartly. If he goes to Berrios, it is probably a punt next. So, ok.

He does not have the advantage of seeing the whole field like this in snapshot form. It is a process.

[AFJF]

13 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

The texans, smartly, were giving him the underneath on a 3rd and long. Should Wilson have taken it? YES!!!!

But understand the kid is looking to make a play for a first down. And I admire that moxie at times, if done smartly. If he goes to Berrios, it is probably a punt next. So, ok.

He does not have the advantage of seeing the whole field like this in snapshot form. It is a process.

If he can't see the dude standing right in front of him with a clean pocket, I guess we shouldn't expect him to be able to see anything.

[Scotty Wooty Doo Doo]

1 hour ago, kevinc855 said:

The DBs he was facing careers include Manager at Applebees, Assistant Manager at Best Buy, Claims Specialist at Geico, and one guy hit it big landing a gig as a Social Studies teacher, and snagged Assistant Defensive Quality coach for a local HS Texas JV football team. 

You mean  like alot of guys on here , who actually think they're NFL executives and scouts .

[Jets Voice of Reason]

3 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:

 

It's almost like GVR was utter garbage and was causing a lot of issues for two years now.

[JohnnyLV]

1 hour ago, slats said:

I completely understand, but still disagree. Zach should be getting more first and second down throws. That’s how a QB gets into a rhythm, connecting on those low pressure passes. Too many times they ran on first and second down putting the continue the drive or punt pressure squarely on Zach with his first throw of any given drive. There are going to be mistakes, but they need to help get him more comfortable and confident. That’s the only way you’re gonna be able to properly develop and evaluate him, not by keeping him in bubble wrap. 

THIS. Few here will acknowledge it but they are not calling games for Zach as they did for the others and it is hurting him quite a bit. Also remember MC1 was our #1 dumpoff target and he was not there. RUN RUN PASS is the best sequence to cause a rookie QB to struggle. You actually want them to pass on first and second more than you run and run on 3rd more than pass. And we did that with White. And it worked.

I also have a theory on Zach. I think that Zach just needs one or two really good games and he will just be a lot better after that.

Also, the pressure on him in this last game was ridiculous. Do you think he did not know that many fans preferred White and that Houston should be a game he should win, blah blah bah.

[AFJF]

He did some good things in the second half too.

Thought this was a wobbler watching live but a lineman may have gotten a fingertip on it.

Either way, plants his back foot and zips it in to Cole to seal the win with a couple of defenders in the area.

 

[JustInFudge]

1 hour ago, Uncle Nicco said:

lol the Moore TD where there was a free rusher and the WR slipped? Lmao yes I guess if Wilson pre determined the throw and threw it recklessly it might have been a TD. “He’s playing hero ball looking for the big play! Holding it too long!” - referencing play that was dead 0.5 seconds after the snap. That play was on Moore for running a sh*t route/slipping and ty Johnson for completely Whiffing on this block 

He held it too long, Moore was open and even if he didnt get back up in time, he throws it away instead of taking a sack.  He also didnt even look at the wide-open receiver in the middle of the endzone because he stared Moore down and held the ball too long.    This was shared on a video that you ******* complimented.   lmfao   You're so all over the place defending any little criticism of Wilson, you dont even remember the sh*t you've said here.  lmfao  

Nicco - you're terrible at this and have zero credibility.  Dont step to me.

[Hex]

Over/under on how much the thread lasts until it gets merged into the All Zach thread?

[JustInFudge]

2 hours ago, Gastineau Lives said:

Zachs receivers won all the 50 50 bawls 

Zachs receivers were wide open

Right, because both scenarios dont show up on film?   

And 50/50 balls arent even a thing, remember?  Nobody actually goes up and high points the ball over defenders, remember?  It's a myth, you claimed.  Doesnt happen, ever.  

 

 

[JustInFudge]

1 hour ago, slats said:

I get that this is the big new joke now, but also the play calling was more conservative with Zach in the lineup once again. I’m sure there’s more than one factor, such as the running game actually being effective, but it does seem like he’s not trusting Wilson as much as the other QBs. And that’s also understandable, but I think he’s doing the rookie a disservice. Rather than trying to protect him with the running game, he should try to get him into a more comfortable rhythm throwing the ball. It’s the only way he’s gonna learn. 

I debunked this yesterday, Slats.  Go look up the play calling.  More 1st down passes than 1st down runs in the first half, he still stunk.  Their first TD drive of the game was pass, pass, pass, pass, run, pass, pass, pass, run, run.  

 

 

[JustInFudge]

1 hour ago, AFJF said:

What do you think Zach should have done at this point?

What do you think he did do at this point?

Obviously, Berrios, I assume he took a sack.