Popular Post kevinc855 Posted December 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2021 I found this admission by Bryce Hall stunning. It was later backed up by CJ. Coaching negligence to me. Is this why Saleh was losing his mind on the sideline? https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2021/12/06/robert-saleh-left-jets-unprepared-for-eagles-gardner-minshew/amp/ 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Remember when Cleveland got their first win in 2 years after we knocked Tyrod out of the game and rookie Baker came in relief? Bowles' excuse was "there was no tape on Baker." This, mere months after the Jets -- presumably -- scoured every collegiate play for each of the top QBs in that year's draft. 3 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmnj Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Anybody that watched the news this past week knew who was going to start vs the Jets 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DonCorleone Posted December 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2021 I am trying to figure out exactly which teams the Jets were prepared for under Saleh. Not many come to mind to be honest. 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet hustle Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 This coach is an absolute FRAUD. Wake up people 4 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post More Cowbell Posted December 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2021 27 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: I found this admission by Bryce Hall stunning. It was later backed up by CJ. Coaching negligence to me. Is this why Saleh was losing his mind on the sideline? https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2021/12/06/robert-saleh-left-jets-unprepared-for-eagles-gardner-minshew/amp/ Saleh was losing it because the officiating was bad yesterday. I don't normally complain about refs but it seemed like they did everything they could to make calls that helped the Eagles. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeptable Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 18 minutes ago, jgb said: Remember when Cleveland got their first win in 2 years after we knocked Tyrod out of the game and rookie Baker came in relief? Bowles' excuse was "there was no tape on Baker." This, mere months after the Jets -- presumably -- scoured every collegiate play for each of the top QBs in that year's draft. Bowles has a Superbowl ring 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jimmy 2 Times Posted December 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2021 34 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: I found this admission by Bryce Hall stunning. It was later backed up by CJ. Coaching negligence to me. Is this why Saleh was losing his mind on the sideline? https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2021/12/06/robert-saleh-left-jets-unprepared-for-eagles-gardner-minshew/amp/ Hall was asked to elaborate. “Had we known ahead of time, I don’t think it really honestly would have changed much at all. It really didn’t change whether it was Minshew or Jalen, they did pretty much the same thing that we were expecting them to do.” 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Skeptable said: Bowles has a Superbowl ring Yep, he does. And I've been vocal in saying that he seems thoughtful enough to have learned and grown from his experience as a Jet and will get another HC shot in the (very) near future and I think he will do better. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 36 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: I found this admission by Bryce Hall stunning. It was later backed up by CJ. Coaching negligence to me. Is this why Saleh was losing his mind on the sideline? https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2021/12/06/robert-saleh-left-jets-unprepared-for-eagles-gardner-minshew/amp/ Wait, the Jets had access to the Eagles training staff? Did I miss this news? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 He didnt say the Jets didnt prepare for the Eagles, he said they prepared for the Eagles no matter the QB because they would play the same way whoever was at QB. That they have a great run game and use the quick pass. Which is exactly what happened, was exactly how the Eagles played. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Jet Nut said: He didnt say the Jets didnt prepare for the Eagles, he said they prepared like they were playing the Eagles no matter the QB because they would play the same way whoever was at QB. That they have a great run game and use the quick pass. Which is exactly what happened, was exactly how the Eagles played. Not sure if it's worst to get beat by being surprised, or to know what's coming and get steamrolled anyway. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sammybighead Posted December 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2021 Saleh and ulbrich are negligently stubborn on the defense. They have their system and their play and refuse to adjust it for their personnel, the opponent, or the fact that it’s downright failing. I just don’t understand this. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Looks like the Saleh/Ulbrich tandem forgot how to prepare the team again for RBs going straight up the middle for big runs all day, too. Seems like a weekly (weakly?) event so you would figure someone could provide an answer. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 10 minutes ago, jgb said: Not sure if it's worst to get beat by being surprised, or to know what's coming and get steamrolled anyway. The announcers commented that the Eagles played the same game with Minshew at QB as they would have played with Jalen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Just now, Jet Nut said: The announcers commented that the Eagles played the same game with Minshew at QB as they would have played with Jalen. So we knew what was coming and just got worked. That makes me feel a lot better. Thank you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Just now, Jet Nut said: The announcers commented that the Eagles played the same game with Minshew at QB as they would have played with Jalen. The Eagles did not look like they were running a complex offense. Mostly runs and a couple big hits to the TE Goedert. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Just now, jgb said: So we knew what was coming and just got worked. That makes me feel a lot better. Thank you. What do you want, an out because of a Bryce Hall quote? Im not trying to make anyone feel good, just trying to translate what Hall said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeptable Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 11 minutes ago, jgb said: Yep, he does. And I've been vocal in saying that he seems thoughtful enough to have learned and grown from his experience as a Jet and will get another HC shot in the (very) near future and I think he will do better. So maybe just time and stability are required to allow a HC about halfway through his first season to learn from his mistakes... And to be fair Saleh said they review film and prepare for the system and not a particular QB. The system doesn't change only what plays they might call in the system, he is partly right. The biggest problem this team has is that they are making silly mistakes. Which is what happens with a young team that has very few veterans... They had more veterans but they have all been injured over time. So guildry taking a wrong angle on a screen resulting in a 30 yard play is the mistake of 1, not the whole system. Or a player slipping on the turf leaving the TE wide open, again is an execution problem not a coaching problem. Also, when said player slips on the turf, not having a safety help him out is a communication issue on part of the players being young, not a scheme issue. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 minute ago, munchmemory said: The Eagles did not look like they were running a complex offense. Mostly runs and a couple big hits to the TE Goedert. Even the screen to the TE, which seemed to be the play that killed us early stopped and then they just kept running and running unstopped. We couldn't stop the run and that really turned the game into a runaway. Zach and the offense didnt have the ball, were stuck to the bench waiting for what seemed like forever to get onto the field 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammybighead Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, munchmemory said: Looks like the Saleh/Ulbrich tandem forgot how to prepare the team again for RBs going straight up the middle for big runs all day, too. Seems like a weekly (weakly?) event so you would figure someone could provide an answer. Stopping the run is not a priority in this system. The Dline’s job is to attack, get up field and sack the QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turd Ferguson Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 21 minutes ago, Jimmy 2 Times said: Hall was asked to elaborate. “Had we known ahead of time, I don’t think it really honestly would have changed much at all. It really didn’t change whether it was Minshew or Jalen, they did pretty much the same thing that we were expecting them to do.” The only time in history that 99% of the news says the starting QB will not play, then a day before the game the team says, “oh, but he might” and the opposing team falls for it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turd Ferguson Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Jet Nut said: Even the screen to the TE, which seemed to be the play that killed us early stopped and then they just kept running and running unstopped. We couldn't stop the run and that really turned the game into a runaway. Zach and the offense didnt have the ball, were stuck to the bench waiting for what seemed like forever to get onto the field That’s the thing. If team is just running every play and you can’t stop it, then who cares what tape you watched… you’re awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, Sammybighead said: Stopping the run is not a priority in this system. The Dline’s job is to attack, get up field and sack the QB. Are you accepting the concept that our defense is expected to not stop the run? Think about how insanely bizarre that is. EVERY football defense MUST be equipt to stop the run. Or else, you can't possibly win a game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 While I'd love to get upset and curse the coaching staff to the high heavens, I dont think this matters, honestly. They clearly dont week to week game plan for teams. They run a shell defense every week with a tweak here and there based on situation but they're not game planning and changing up their scheme week to week based on the opponent. This is a stay in your lane, do your jobs defense that is supposedly prepared for anything that comes their way. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 minute ago, munchmemory said: Are you accepting the concept that our defense is expected to not stop the run? Think about how insanely bizarre that is. EVERY football defense MUST be equipt to stop the run. Or else, you can't possibly win a game. The amount of missed tackles are concerning. They just seem to be flying to the ball without form. And the word is out. You can screen this team to death. There is not "stay at home" accountability. They all fly to to misdirection like moths to a flame. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Turd Ferguson said: That’s the thing. If team is just running every play and you can’t stop it, then who cares what tape you watched… you’re awful. The Jets defense, with all the injuries, all the players theyre running out there that were on the street a week earlier, isnt the D that they hoped to put on the field and theyre playing like shlt, cant stop a thing. Its not they didnt prep, its theyre incapable of playing with decent teams right now. Theyre outmanned. DL, LB missing pieces, SS & FS gone, one corners are scrubs other than Hall, how much can coaching change? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 minute ago, JiFapono said: While I'd love to get upset and curse the coaching staff to the high heavens, I dont think this matters, honestly. They clearly dont week to week game plan for teams. They run a shell defense every week with a tweak here and there based on situation but they're not game planning and changing up their scheme week to week based on the opponent. This is a stay in your lane, do your jobs defense that is supposedly prepared for anything that comes their way. Except, they don't stay in their lanes. They do not have that discipline. I could live more with that and they were just getting out talented. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Even the screen to the TE, which seemed to be the play that killed us early stopped and then they just kept running and running unstopped. We couldn't stop the run and that really turned the game into a runaway. Zach and the offense didnt have the ball, were stuck to the bench waiting for what seemed like forever to get onto the field The Eagles owned the third quarter. Overall, they had the ball for 11 more minutes than us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Just now, munchmemory said: The Eagles owned the third quarter. Overall, they had the ball for 11 more minutes than us. Right now, you could set up every play as a run, and you could construct a 15 play drive right down the field and not get stopped by the Jets. And the defense would step back and say, " I can't believe they ran the ball again". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 No brakes , no excuses . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 25 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: He didnt say the Jets didnt prepare for the Eagles, he said they prepared for the Eagles no matter the QB because they would play the same way whoever was at QB. That they have a great run game and use the quick pass. Which is exactly what happened, was exactly how the Eagles played. Yeah, I heard the Mosley comments too and this stuff is being taken out of context. I get the impression that the Jets were just really annoyed about getting cooked up by Minshew and this was some excuse-making by the players. Like getting dunked on by a guy who never dunks and saying that the court had a wet spot and you slipped. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Scott Dierking said: Right now, you could set up every play as a run, and you could construct a 15 play drive right down the field and not get stopped by the Jets. And the defense would step back and say, " I can't believe they ran the ball again". For me at least, this became apparent with the NE games. We just could not stop them on runs. And not complex misdirection stuff. But RBs going for 7, 8, 9 yards on first down straight up the middle. That trend has continued in all our games. We saw it all day yesterday with Sanders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JustInFudge Posted December 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2021 8 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: Except, they don't stay in their lanes. They do not have that discipline. I could live more with that and they were just getting out talented. I'm not saying it works or is a good strategy and they execute, I'm just telling you what I've learned from listening to the players and Ulrich. They play a base D for damn near every down. Conceptually, I think it's absolutely ******* moronic. It's Mangini's read and react but worse because they're not disciplined. The only time this defense has ever like, actually worked is when Saleh had Nick Bosa, Deforest Buckner, Arik Armstead, Dee Ford w/ guys like Fred Warner and Kwon Alexander w/ a strong veteran led secondary. Ulrich is a disaster but if this is all Saleh's concept for how to run D than we better hope this offense can start putting up 30 points a game. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 The more concerning aspect of the defensive coaching is the fact that they never adjust to what teams are doing to them. How many passes did Dallas Goedert need to catch before someone finally adjusts the coverage? I also think this whole philosophy where the corner backs don’t travel and just line up on the same side of the defense every play is foolish. Its given opposing offenses an extremely easy time of creating mis-matches in their favor. Saleh’s excuse that it would somehow cause too much confusion because guys would need to learn different roles is comical, especially when we heard all that B.S. about how the WRs need to learn all the WR positions. I get that the talent on defense isn’t great, but has this defense ever really fooled an offense? When have we ever said “wow, what a great call or coverage”? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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