BigRy56 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 My challenge to Zach to change the narrative on him heading into the off-season would be simple - end the year with more TDs than INTs. Right now he’s -5… change that and we are moving in the right direction. At least break even. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 11 minutes ago, jgb said: It still doesn't explain -- and in fact, further highlights the illogical position of why so many Wilsonians were adamantly against bringing in a credible QB2 to start the beginning of the season. I think the feeling was Jets fans might demand the backup. The thought was fans might give up on a rookie QB too quickly, so the Jets couldn’t be given nice toys. I don’t know where that came from though. Jets fans are welcoming and patient. It’s clearly not grounded in reality, but they thought it was important to burn their ships behind them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultraJETfan Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 12 minutes ago, jgb said: It still doesn't explain -- and in fact, further highlights the illogical position of why so many Wilsonians were adamantly against bringing in a credible QB2 to start the beginning of the season. I was not against it. I was ready to write off the whole staff from JD down because of how they handled that situation. But I still have some optimism considering they have spurts of looking really good and that is with a team full of bums. If JD hits in the draft this year, get Lawson back, get a solid WR and TE then I think the future is bright. I am being patient this year and having faith that Zach can fix the accuracy issues. I watch other QBs perform and I see a lot of horrible inaccurate throws every week and this is from guys in the league for many years. I gave Darnold 3 years so its only fair I give Zach 2 years minimum. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicketybam Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 I will guarantee you that not even Wilson’s parents work this hard to cover for Zach Wilson. I have to say, you do have a cheering section. Kudos.Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicketybam Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 I'm going by what's available to the common person. Other than QBR there's no other stat that tells a more full story of how well a QB played that game. QBR is a stat that's not understood by many and even myself to the full extent but when you look week in and out at the QBs that perform well in this and watch how they perform during certain game situations I believe it to be the best barometer. We can talk about the eye test but that is subjective to the person. My eye test shows me Zach was inconsistent and played average yesterday while others here are saying it was "breakout". QBR is a worthless ESPN invented stat.Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 19 minutes ago, Hal N of Provo said: I think the feeling was Jets fans might demand the backup. The thought was fans might give up on a rookie QB too quickly, so the Jets couldn’t be given nice toys. I don’t know where that came from though. Jets fans are welcoming and patient. It’s clearly not grounded in reality, but they thought it was important to burn their ships behind them. Which is dumb but we're talking about Woody Johnson here. If the Bruno Magli driving mock fits... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicketybam Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Can you tell me how many points the Jets scored in the second half?Can you tell me their time of possession in the second half?Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 7 minutes ago, bicketybam said: I have to say, you do have a cheering section. Kudos. Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicketybam Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 4 chicks. That about sums it up Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Just now, bicketybam said: 3 chicks. That about sums it up Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk There are 6 girls in this picture. Don't bother looking for the 6th unless you have an x-ray machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen X Jet Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 4 hours ago, 65 Toss Power Trap said: And give the kid, at least, an average defense. Heck, I'd take a Herm defense at this point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 33 minutes ago, bicketybam said: I have to say, you do have a cheering section. Kudos. Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk People enjoy objective, fact-based coverage of their favorite teams. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 4 hours ago, slimjasi said: A TD? No. There is a safety behind the play. You’re telling me Elijah Moore with the ball in his hands can’t make one guy miss? Fine. Can we agree on an additional 5-10 yards? Still a better outcome than the best case scenario of that throw? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Just now, ZachEY said: You’re telling me Elijah Moore with the ball in his hands can’t make one guy miss? Fine. Can we agree on an additional 5-10 yards? Still a better outcome than the best case scenario of that throw? I think an extra 5-10 yards is the most likely scenario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 11 minutes ago, T0mShane said: People enjoy objective, fact-based coverage of their favorite teams. I enjoy watching people get force-fed like fois gras geese with your truth nozzle. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 41 minutes ago, bicketybam said: Can you tell me their time of possession in the second half? Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk Why does that matter? Did we not get the ball after they scored? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: Why does that matter? Did we not get the ball after they scored? Yeah but he didn't get more possessions than Minshew so unfair to judge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Guys… Hal isn’t a real poster. Hal N of Provo is a gag on Darnold superfan Helen of Troy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted December 7, 2021 Author Share Posted December 7, 2021 Zach will be fine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 6 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said: What this doesn’t take into account is ball placement based on coverage. It wasn’t a good throw. It wasn’t a bad throw either, and it’s not as difficult a catch as you imply, but also not an easy catch. The LB is buzzing underneath the route and if Wilson throws it to Moore’s inside shoulder the LB has a chance to deflect it. He can’t lift it over the LB otherwise he gives time for the safety to get over. He throws it to the outside. Maybe slightly too far, and Moore can’t make a catch on a difficult but crazy difficult pass. Everyone wants to place blame on one guy. If both were slightly better on that play, just slightly, it’s a completion. Sane with the shot down the sideline a few plays later. Moore beats his guy. Wilson is hit when he throws and it hangs on him. But it still ends up a 50/50 ball that hits Moore right in the bread basket. Again, each could have been slightly better and it’s a completion. Both have reason to point to themselves. Hawkeye I did take into account coverage I just did not want to get into it TBH it could also be why Moore stopped the route short by design or he was sitting in the open area of the zone defense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 48 minutes ago, ZachEY said: Guys… Hal isn’t a real poster. Hal N of Provo is a gag on Darnold superfan Helen of Troy Pity. Best new poster in years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 9 hours ago, Anthony Jet said: Never trust a guy with 2 first names Agreed, that was my issue with Browning Nagle, the guy had 2 last names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, maury77 said: Agreed, that was my issue with Browning Nagle, the guy had 2 last names. Sam Darnold has a first name and a last name that closely resembles the weird gulping sound the girl made when I took off my pants during my first drunken college hookup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 5 hours ago, Hal N of Provo said: Is Dax still on the WFT? If not, start there Was BYU's other received related to Mitt Romney? I always wondered about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 minute ago, maury77 said: Was BYU's other received related to Mitt Romney? I always wondered about that. Don't even go there, bro. Trust me on this. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 36 minutes ago, jgb said: Pity. Best new poster in years. You are not wrong @ZachEY I originally intended to purely troll but I got lost along the way. Lifelong BYU fan. Made the name laughing at myself being an outsider here and an unapologetic Zach supporter - his Helen of Troy. I’m just having some fun here. This my only account. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 11 minutes ago, Hal N of Provo said: You are not wrong @ZachEY I originally intended to purely troll but I got lost along the way. Lifelong BYU fan. Made the name laughing at myself being an outsider here and an unapologetic Zach supporter - his Helen of Troy. I’m just having some fun here. This my only account. I for one, and so heartbroken. Pack your things and leave, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 44 minutes ago, jgb said: I for one, and so heartbroken. Pack your things and leave, please. There there. There. There. It will be ok. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 In fairness, I will say that Wilson definitely does look better when looking at select positive stats and then comparing those to others given no such luxury. I mean, he did throw 11 of 13 for 103 yds and 2 TDs over the first 3 offensive drives. Granted, that translates to 12 of 25 for 123 yds and an INT for the remaining 2 1/2+ quarters of being shut out, but who wants to get caught up in such trivial facts? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 11 hours ago, slimjasi said: I wouldn't dismiss what Johnson did, he played admirably. But I also have never put a lot of stock in what happens after games get out of hand. The Colts game was over emotionally in the second quarter. I find it hard to extrapolate from games like that. I do think it's clear that Josh Johnson is a capable/respectable backup who can run our offense in a pinch. Btw, if you remove the Colts game from the equation, the backups still beat Wilson by a significant margin, 20.2 ppg to 15.1 ppg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 The single biggest improvement I saw from my novice knowledge was the way he looked off players. The intended receivers were open so I don't know if it was game planned to do it and he would have thrown it regardless if open or not. However, much improved from starring down his receivers or tunnel vision toward a particular receiver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ZachEY Posted December 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2021 THE ALGORITHMS!!!! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 For some perspective, Fields, Lawrence and Wilson have all been bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallinPB Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Just now, Matt39 said: For some perspective, Fields, Lawrence and Wilson have all been bad. Ohh. These rookies are terrible terrible then. 5 more games at least to right the ship. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, Matt39 said: For some perspective, Fields, Lawrence and Wilson have all been bad. I wonder why this year's crop is so bad. It could be the new practice rules. It could be the difficulty blending them in with all the covid sh*t. It could be a failure to properly scout based on the ****ed up college seasons the past two years. Or maybe they just all suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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