Something in the water at 1 Jets Drive?

[Jet Nut]

10 minutes ago, mrcoops said:

That one was a real wow throw. Great zip and accuracy and in a tough spot.

I think hes talking about the touch pass, over #49 into Davis's hands at the start of the 2nd half

[AFJF]

Corey Davis makes this catch if Zach's parents would just close down their Instagram accounts already.

 

 

 

Edited December 7, 2021 by AFJF

[Warfish]

2 hours ago, Dunnie said:

Too accurate ?

A phrase no one would use to describe Zach Wilson in 2021.

[kevinc855]

For a year of “culture change” talk there has been zero

Team still has zero identity 

Fans literally laugh at the AGNB thing they attempted to do

2022 is such a big year for this organization in so many ways 

[mrcoops]

20 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

I think hes talking about the touch pass, over #49 into Davis's hands at the start of the 2nd half

My bad, was thinking about a different throw.

[Larz]

[Prodigal Syndicate]

Wilson throws an awful ball.

Even on receptions receivers are often contorting their bodies to make difficult catches on what should be routine throws.

[Jet_Engine1]

9 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Do we have any stats about how many seconds between cardiovascular disease deaths in the US when Zach is at QB vs not?

 

 

The rate increases to every 34.2 seconds.

#science 

[CanadienJetsFan]

9 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

 

Touché 

[Jetsfan80]

7 hours ago, slimjasi said:

He lost the ball in the sun and it hit him in the hands. 

lmao.  So there's nothing Wilson could have done there to make that a more catchable pass?  Nothing?  Receivers need to just catch anything they can get a few fingers on or else it's their fault (and the Sun's)?

[jgb]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

lmao.  So there's nothing Wilson could have done there to make that a more catchable pass?  Nothing?

I hope Neo falls to us in the draft

[ZachEY]

7 hours ago, slimjasi said:

 

 

Yea, the drops are all the QB's fault. Remember when Denzel Mims dropped 3 passes in the Colts game and a touchdown in the Bengals game? I guess Wilson caused those . . . too?

 

You guys are clowns

I mean... True or False... Zach Wilson struggles with touch.

[Barry McCockinner]

Just now, ZachEY said:

I mean... True or False... Zach Wilson struggles with touch.

I thought that was Deshaun Watson?

[ZachEY]

1 minute ago, Barry McCockinner said:

I thought that was Deshaun Watson?

[jgb]

4 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

I thought that was Deshaun Watson?

What's the difference between Robert Kraft and Deshaun Watson?

Approximately eight billion dollars.

[ZachEY]

2 minutes ago, jgb said:

What's the difference between Robert Kraft and Deshaun Watson?

Approximately eight billion dollars.

well, 8 something, i imagine.

[slimjasi]

4 minutes ago, ZachEY said:

I mean... True or False... Zach Wilson struggles with touch.

True - but that doesn't mean most (or even significant portion of) the drops are Wilson's fault. That's all hogwash. We can go drop for drop in the last game, if you wish. The Jets WRs dropped a lot of catchable passes. 

[sciond]

the benefit of being coached up

[Jetsfan80]

3 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

True - but that doesn't mean most (or even significant portion of) the drops are Wilson's fault. That's all hogwash. We can go drop for drop in the last game, if you wish. The Jets WRs dropped a lot of catchable passes. 

WR drops tend to increase with weaker QB play.  We've all seen it before.  A sure-handed Jerricho Cotchery suddenly became one of the league leaders in drops his final year playing with Mark Sanchez.  

The reason?  Probably because WR's are so surprised when a typically inaccurate QB actually hits him in the numbers.

Tack on Wilson's inability to "take something off" even on short throws, and its a recipe for a lot of drops.  

[jgb]

6 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

True - but that doesn't mean most (or even significant portion of) the drops are Wilson's fault. That's all hogwash. We can go drop for drop in the last game, if you wish. The Jets WRs dropped a lot of catchable passes. 

 

3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

WR drops tend to increase with weaker QB play.  We've all seen it before.  A sure-handed Jerricho Cotchery suddenly became one of the league leaders in drops his final year playing with Mark Sanchez.  

The reason?  Probably because WR's are so surprised when a typically inaccurate QB actually hits him in the numbers.

Tack on Wilson's inability to "take something off" even on short throws, and its a recipe for a lot of drops.  

If I wanted to win this argument, I'd track how many drops there have been under Wilson and the other QBs. Then I'd either ride my war steed in triumph into JN, or I'd ignore the stats completely if they disproved my position.

[slimjasi]

19 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

lmao.  So there's nothing Wilson could have done there to make that a more catchable pass?  Nothing?  Receivers need to just catch anything they can get a few fingers on or else it's their fault (and the Sun's)?

It hit Moore in the hands without him leaving his feet. It's a drop. FYI, PFF has it as a drop, I believe. It's a pretty routine drop - not sure what else to say about the play? 

The reality is, if the sun isn't in Moore's face, he sees the pass earlier and makes a ho hum catch and no one says anything about it. But because you guys have a hard on for the QB, we are making this play into some sort of referendum on the QB. 

[jgb]

5 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

It hit Moore in the hands without him leaving his feet. It's a drop. FYI, PFF has it as a drop, I believe. It's a pretty routine drop - not sure what else to say about the play? 

The reality is, if the sun isn't in Moore's face, he sees the pass earlier and makes a ho hum catch and no one says anything about it. But because you guys have a hard on for the QB, we are making this play into some sort of referendum on the QB. 

Eagles defensive MVP

[slimjasi]

6 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

WR drops tend to increase with weaker QB play.  We've all seen it before.  A sure-handed Jerricho Cotchery suddenly became one of the league leaders in drops his final year playing with Mark Sanchez.  

The reason?  Probably because WR's are so surprised when a typically inaccurate QB actually hits him in the numbers.

Tack on Wilson's inability to "take something off" even on short throws, and its a recipe for a lot of drops.  

Ok. I agree that he has to learn to take some zip off some of those shorter passes but:

Is there any evidence that there have been appreciably more drops with Wilson throwing passes compared to the other Jets QBs? (i.e. Have there been significantly more from a statistical point of view in the 7 games that Wilson has played vs. the remaining games?)

If not, this is much ado about nothing. 

[jgb]

2 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Is there any evidence that there have been appreciably more drops with Wilson throwing passes compared to the other Jets QBs?

You heard the man. Go fetch, @Jetsfan80

Love this debate technique by the way. Always amazed how often it actually works. 

[slimjasi]

1 minute ago, jgb said:

You heard the man. Go fetch, @Jetsfan80

Love this debate technique by the way. Always amazed how often it actually works. 

 

17 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

WR drops tend to increase with weaker QB play.  We've all seen it before.  A sure-handed Jerricho Cotchery suddenly became one of the league leaders in drops his final year playing with Mark Sanchez.  

The reason?  Probably because WR's are so surprised when a typically inaccurate QB actually hits him in the numbers.

Tack on Wilson's inability to "take something off" even on short throws, and its a recipe for a lot of drops.  

One funny tidbit right off the bat - Denzel Mims has 3 drops this year. None of them were on passes thrown by Wilson. Two of the passes were thrown by Josh Johnson and the other one was thrown by Mike White (scrub!). 

[JustInFudge]

24 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

WR drops tend to increase with weaker QB play.  We've all seen it before.  A sure-handed Jerricho Cotchery suddenly became one of the league leaders in drops his final year playing with Mark Sanchez.  

The reason?  Probably because WR's are so surprised when a typically inaccurate QB actually hits him in the numbers.

Tack on Wilson's inability to "take something off" even on short throws, and its a recipe for a lot of drops.  

There might be something to this and for sure Zach struggles with taking something off the ball but also, look at how much better Davis became when Tannehill came in vs. Mariota and Gabbert.  He went from a mid 50% catch rate guy to a 70% catch rate guy back down to to 57% with Wilson.

Or maybe he's just having a bad year?  Having Denzel Mims as part of this exercise is just silly. 

Speaking of which, what is the point of this exercise?  lol 

[JustInFudge]

19 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

 

One funny tidbit right off the bat - Denzel Mims has 3 drops this year. None of them were on passes thrown by Wilson. Two of the passes were thrown by Josh Johnson and the other one was thrown by Mike White (scrub!). 

Well then!  There we have it!  Dropsies happen with sh*tty QB's!!!!

lol

[Warfish]

24 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

 

One funny tidbit right off the bat - Denzel Mims has 3 drops this year. None of them were on passes thrown by Wilson. Two of the passes were thrown by Josh Johnson and the other one was thrown by Mike White (scrub!). 

Denzel Mims sucks (to-date).

Just say'in.

[FidelioJet]

9 hours ago, Irish Jet said:

PFF genuinely classified this as a drop too, just in case anyone pretends to take that site seriously ever again. 

These are catches NFL WR's make.

You see it every day in the NFL.  It hit him in the meat of both his hands.

Wasn't a good throw - but this ball is caught ALL THE TIME...

[slimjasi]

5 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

Well then!  There we have it!  Dropsies happen with sh*tty QB's!!!!

lol

 

47 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

WR drops tend to increase with weaker QB play.  We've all seen it before.  A sure-handed Jerricho Cotchery suddenly became one of the league leaders in drops his final year playing with Mark Sanchez.  

The reason?  Probably because WR's are so surprised when a typically inaccurate QB actually hits him in the numbers.

Tack on Wilson's inability to "take something off" even on short throws, and its a recipe for a lot of drops.  

In order to show how silly this whole thing is:

To actually do it justice, you'd have to calculate drops/attempt (since Wilson has played 7 full games and started 8, while White/Johnson/Flacco have played significant portions of only 4 games) and then do a t test to show that Zach's drop rate is significantly higher than the other three QBs. 

And keep in mind that we are talking about 12 total games split between 4 QBs. Good luck to you!

[slimjasi]

4 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Denzel Mims sucks (to-date).

Just say'in.

unfortunately, yes 

[FidelioJet]

31 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

 

One funny tidbit right off the bat - Denzel Mims has 3 drops this year. None of them were on passes thrown by Wilson. Two of the passes were thrown by Josh Johnson and the other one was thrown by Mike White (scrub!). 

Of course.  Blaming the QB for WR's dropping passes is one of the more ridiculous things stated on this board..

And that's saying a lot.

It's funny how the Anti-Zaxers are starting to have to dig deeper into their non-sense to protect their position.  As he continues to show more improvement the excuses as to why he's already a bust will get more and more ridiculous.

[FidelioJet]

5 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

 

In order to show how silly this whole thing is:

To actually do it justice, you'd have to calculate drops/attempt (since Wilson has played 7 full games and started 8, while White/Johnson/Flacco have played significant portions of only 4 games) and then do a t test to show that Zach's drop rate is significantly higher than the other three QBs. 

And keep in mind that we are talking about 12 total games split between 4 QBs. Good luck to you!

Of course...or how about the Corey Davis drop Sunday...

Was that ball thrown too hard? Wobbly? 

You'll then have to separate out the perfect passes from the ones that could have been good catches or were "too hard" whatever that means.

It's all stupid.  If the ball hits the meat of both of your hands or bounces off of your chest, or hits you in the facemask - it needs to be caught.  PERIOD!

[jgb]

13 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

These are catches NFL WR's make.

You see it every day in the NFL.  It hit him in the meat of both his hands.

Wasn't a good throw - but this ball is caught ALL THE TIME...

I'm pretty good at pissing in the toilet but sometimes even the big boys miss.

Chase, Keenan Allen and Tyreek Hill are in the top 5 in the NFL in drops. Bums.

[jgb]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

WR drops tend to increase with weaker QB play.  We've all seen it before.  A sure-handed Jerricho Cotchery suddenly became one of the league leaders in drops his final year playing with Mark Sanchez.  

The reason?  Probably because WR's are so surprised when a typically inaccurate QB actually hits him in the numbers.

Tack on Wilson's inability to "take something off" even on short throws, and its a recipe for a lot of drops.  

Robby Anderson is tied for league lead in NFL drops this season. DJ Moore is tied for 3rd.