Hex Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Ok, I'm seeing a lot of different feelings about that game, so I made this to actually see what the majority of people think. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jgb Posted December 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2021 Going with positive, Alex. My expectations were basement, Zach delivered ground floor. It was quite honestly relieving. Keep building, kiddo. And as a bonus, my boy Minshew did alright for himself. Defense is next year's problem (and likely 2023's...) 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted December 7, 2021 Author Share Posted December 7, 2021 Just now, jgb said: Going with positive, Alex. My expectations were basement, Zach delivered ground floor. It was quite honestly relieving. Keep building, kiddo. And as a bonus, my boy Minshew did alright for himself. I totally agree. Zach could do better, but we weren't looking for him to transform into Aaron Rodgers suddenly, we were looking for progress, and that's exactly what we got. Minshew doing pretty good is always nice to see as well, he seems like a likeable person 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, Hex said: I totally agree. Zach could do better, but we weren't looking for him to transform into Aaron Rodgers suddenly, we were looking for progress, and that's exactly what we got. Minshew doing pretty good is always nice to see as well, he seems like a likeable person Keep him away from your mom and grandma, though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darnold's Forehead Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Injuries aside, obviously positive. The negative parts were things we already knew. Horrendous defense, bad parts of Zach, bad kicking, horrendous defense (it is horrendous). Positive parts showed more improvements. OL continues to play well, good/improved parts of Zach, LaFluer, Elijah Moore, Saleh going WWE on pathetic refs. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted December 7, 2021 Author Share Posted December 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Darnold's Forehead said: Injuries aside, obviously positive. The negative parts were things we already knew. Horrendous defense, bad parts of Zach, bad kicking, horrendous defense (it is horrendous). Positive parts showed more improvements. OL continues to play well, good/improved parts of Zach, LaFluer, Elijah Moore, Saleh going WWE on pathetic refs. Don't forget the horrendous defense 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kevinc855 Posted December 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2021 I cant vote positive watching this defense make zero progress but good work and progress by O 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Everyone knows the defense is a joke, so there’s no surprise there they couldn’t get off the field. But the offense definitely provided a lot of positives from Zach to Elijah and the offensive line. Looking forward to them taking that next step forward against New Awlins this weekend 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Overall, slightly positive because we saw some much needed improvement from the QB. BUT the defense was almost unwatchable, and as much as I want to give this entire coaching staff a full offseason together to reflect upon and build on what they started this year, I do wonder if we can realistically bring Ulbrich back. The defense lacks talent everywhere except for IDL, but this defense just makes so many mistakes and is seemingly constantly out of position. IDK. They are very young. Just amazed by how bad they have looked at times. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted December 7, 2021 Author Share Posted December 7, 2021 Just now, slimjasi said: Overall, slightly positive because we saw some much needed improvement from the QB. BUT the defense was almost unwatchable, and as much as I want to give this entire coaching staff a full offseason together to reflect upon and build on what they started this year, I do wonder if we can realistically bring Ulbrich back. The defense lacks talent everywhere except for IDL, but this defense just makes so many mistakes and is seemingly constantly out of position. IDK. They are very young. Just amazed by how bad they have looked at times. Yea, the Jets won't go anywhere until the defense plays better. I honestly don't know where the problem is, but it seems like the coaching staff's focus is on the offense. If ZW continues to improve, I think the coaching staff will focus more on the defense. Like you, I don't really know either though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Hex said: Yea, the Jets won't go anywhere until the defense plays better. I honestly don't know where the problem is, but it seems like the coaching staff's focus is on the offense. If ZW continues to improve, I think the coaching staff will focus more on the defense. Like you, I don't really know either though. And, to be fair the high draft picks have been all poured into the offense over the last couple of years, so we should expect the offense to be further along. This is where I want to cautiously bring up Mims again. We know Becton has serious talent but has weight and possible durability concerns. The other high draft picks over the last couple of years (Wilson, AVT, Moore) are all playing and contributing. It would be REALLY great to see Mims make some catches. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docdhc Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: I cant vote positive watching this defense make zero progress but good work and progress by O I agree this defense is so bad it’s hard to watch. That being said defenses can be fixed with more talent but if Wilson is a bust we’re set back 3 years so any improvement from him gets a positive vote for me. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post All Gas, No Gase Posted December 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2021 I chose positive because Zach definitely played better. We just need him to consistently improve. The only positive on defense was the play of Bryce Hall. He’s a stud. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K_O_Brien Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Negative. If you had offered me Zach's stat-line before the game, I would have assumed positive, but our defense was completely inept and soured the rest of the game. Minshaw and Goedert looked like they playing 7 on 7 there for a while. It looked like the Eagles had open receivers everywhere, with no Jet defender within 10 yards of them. And then you had the kicker and punter woes. I liked Mann when we drafted him but he looked terrible on Sunday. And the kicker situation is amateur hour and wouldn't be tolerated at any credible franchise. Ideally, you'd look to support Zach next year in his second season, through the draft and free agency. But the defense was so staggeringly bad, it's hard to see how we don't target the defensive side of the ball in April. You can't allow a mid-ranking team like the Eagles to dominate the time of possession in the way they did in the 3rd quarter, and expect to compete. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj meadowlands Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 A negative times a positive is a negative. A negative times a negative is a positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 i said positive cause its all about Zach and the offense right now. the defense is horrible but im convince there is nothing that could be done this year. they either need better players or to change the scheme which cant be done till the offseason. the best thing about Zachs ProFormance was its was all in the 1st half. no garbage time. remember the knock on Zach this season was most of the good stats and TDs he had all happened after the defense had a lead and they let up. they let Zach get those plays. well not on Sunday. he played his best half of football while getting 3 TDs. and 0 INTs. lets hope he can build on that and keep it going for the whole game. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 it wasn't great. the jets managed to score 3 td's in the first half but then the offense stalled in the second. wilson still needs to put some touch on his passes and the receivers need to hold on. the oline played pretty well in both pass protection and run blocking. the defense was another story. they were just out of position too many times on the same type of play. and it's so much as there being a lack of physical talent but they don't seem to fully grasp where they need to be or how to rotate if a players gets picked. the run defense wasn't good. the dline was getting owned and they bit on too many plays. again it's not so much physical talent but how they need to maintain their position and not bite. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undertow Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Tough call I'm not sure if Zach's positives outweighed the incompetence of the coach. Either way the odds of this duo being the next great QB coach combo is close to zero. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 So, I was about to vote and then give my reasoning and then it dawned on me… The fact that we’re all trying to decide if a game like Sundays was a net positive or negative speaks volumes about this team and it’s beaten down fan base. I mean how bad are things around we that we even consider this a debatable subject? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 I needed Wilson to play much more of a complete game to be happy about this one. The 3 TD drives were nice and made me think maybe the kid was turning a corner. Then the rest of the game happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Goodman Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Horrible, unacceptable performance. Offense, defense, special teams, coaching all poor. This was a game that we should have won. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, undertow said: Tough call I'm not sure if Zach's positives outweighed the incompetence of the coach. Either way the odds of this duo being the next great QB coach combo is close to zero. lol So what did you see from the coach during the game that was incompetent? Clock management? 4th down tries? Curious, the defense sucks but the HC did what wrong Sunday? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Zack looking competent was the most important part of the game. Everything rides on him. The defense was terribad which kind of left us with a stink but losses where Wilson looks good are a win. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 The positive. I will probably be dead before the next Jets Eagle game. The negative. I have never actually seen the Jets beat the Eagles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungaman Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 The defensive regression is maddening to watch. It's also surprising since the DB's and safeties (despite the loss of the two starters) haven't been as glaring a horror as originally feared. Instead, the front seven have been roadkill. Granted there were injuries there as well, and although the DL and LB units "seemed" deeper, they have been abused consistently. Somewhere in the first four picks next year, a tackling machine/Edge guy needs to be selected. I think the paucity of LB talent (aside from Mosely and Williams) has made the DL ease up on their tactic of getting upfield and disrupting plays, because every screen is just ripping through the middle of the defense. On the offensive front, a true #1 WR, a TE and one OL (going somewhere, depending on the center/guard and tackle shuffles to come) will cure a lot of ills, Everyone having a year under their belts, players and staff alike, should benefit them all - and they should be eager to put the stench of this inevitable, unfortunate year of painful growth behind them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUM-KNEE Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 The end result was a positive. The D is young and losing a player a day it seems, so expectations should be low before the coin toss. Coaching seems to be hitting a brick wall of sorts too. The O put together drives in the first half that put points on the board. They were not pussy footing around, but shockingly aggressive. Penalties and bad ref calls need to go away, but the game was encouraging. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 17 minutes ago, Bungaman said: The defensive regression is maddening to watch. It's also surprising since the DB's and safeties (despite the loss of the two starters) haven't been as glaring a horror as originally feared. Instead, the front seven have been roadkill. Granted there were injuries there as well, and although the DL and LB units "seemed" deeper, they have been abused consistently. Somewhere in the first four picks next year, a tackling machine/Edge guy needs to be selected. I think the paucity of LB talent (aside from Mosely and Williams) has made the DL ease up on their tactic of getting upfield and disrupting plays, because every screen is just ripping through the middle of the defense. On the offensive front, a true #1 WR, a TE and one OL (going somewhere, depending on the center/guard and tackle shuffles to come) will cure a lot of ills, Everyone having a year under their belts, players and staff alike, should benefit them all - and they should be eager to put the stench of this inevitable, unfortunate year of painful growth behind them. Good post, and although I agree with everything you said, we still have a very big problem. What we’re talking about is becoming better than expansion level talent wise here. Let’s say we’re able to get all those pieces… boom we’ve improved. Yet even within our division (forget the conference and league itself) we are years behind the Patriots, Bills and Dolphins. They aren’t going to remain stagnant, they’ll be looking to improve also. We are so far behind everyone else, the only chance we had of becoming relevant was by stumbling upon a Mahomes/Rodgers type QB who could transform a franchise by himself. We have Zach Wilson. All I’m going to say about that is, if you think he will be that type of QB, then it’s fair to think this team can contend in the near future. If not? We’re a 4th place AFC East team the next 5-10 years hoping to sneak in a 3rd place finish every blue moon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted December 7, 2021 Author Share Posted December 7, 2021 24 minutes ago, Biggs said: The positive. I will probably be dead before the next Jets Eagle game. The negative. I have never actually seen the Jets beat the Eagles. I think they play next in 2023, correct me if I'm wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Heading into this year, I probably would have signed off on 17 games of Wilson throwing/running for 3 TDs (51 total TDS on the season) but losing because the Defense sucks. So I was very happy coming out of that game. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted December 7, 2021 Author Share Posted December 7, 2021 Something really odd about that defensive game was that the Jets didn't allow a single TD in the second half But that's kind of a dumb statistic because they allowed 3 FGs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JoJoTownsell1 Posted December 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2021 27 minutes ago, Bungaman said: On the offensive front, a true #1 WR, a TE and one OL (going somewhere, depending on the center/guard and tackle shuffles to come) will cure a lot of ills, I know many here think of a "True #1 WR" as a 6'4, big bodied guy, and therefore Moore can never fit that bill for some, but in the last 6 games Moore has: 34-459-5 which would translate in a 16 game season to 90-1,224 and 13 TDs. And that's playing with 4 different QBs. Not sure you are going to find a more "True" #1 WR. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Positive. Before the season everyone was saying they wanted Zach to progress and didn’t care about w/l. What happened? Zach has his best game and the offense was rolling. The defense was trash, but that’s much easier to fix than offense. Half of the defensive starters are out, so not much can be expected out of them. If the offense keeps improving (with this schedule they should) then I’ll be happy regardless of w/l. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, Hex said: Something really odd about that defensive game was that the Jets didn't allow a single TD in the second half But that's kind of a dumb statistic because they allowed 3 FGs The killer was TOP 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, Hex said: Something really odd about that defensive game was that the Jets didn't allow a single TD in the second half But that's kind of a dumb statistic because they allowed 3 FGs I wouldn't mind the TDs or FGS if they weren't after killer 8 minute drives. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted December 7, 2021 Author Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Jet Nut said: The killer was TOP Yea. I say a lot that the one thing that a defense could do worse than constant 1st downs is holding them to 3rd downs and then allowing them to get a first down, again and again. Because not only does it allow the other team to dominate TOP, it tires out the defense, making them rely on the offense, which normally doesn't lead to good things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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