One day the Braxton Berrios type of player will not be on this team

[rtnelson]

Every single team in the league wants a guy like Berrios on the team.  The guy gives 100% on every play and will do anything asked of him, isn't injured, and he makes plays.  While he may not be the most physically gifted of athletes, he has wicked quick acceleration, we saw it in the Houston game.

Bottom line, if we released Berrios tomorrow, he would be picked up by another team tomorrow.  He's proven himself this year.

[Smashmouth]

1 minute ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

I generally agree with you all good point but don't you think someone more talent might do better, someone that can make a guy miss or power through a tackle?

I mean I don't agree berrios does what you imply, I know he has yard but isn't that more of him just having more returns? Quantity or quality?

Better drafting will lead to someone being the WR 5 that could start somewhere else and maybe give us quality, plus sadly probably quantity too but you know what I'm saying..

I mean maybe we just disagree that's fine but I think you'd probably agree with me. Berries is not that valuable role guy he is just the guy in the role.

Berrios is a very safe punt returner and he has a good return average. When you take chances with returners you get the fumblers we had to deal with a few years ago. The most important attribute of a returner is holding on to the ball Berrios does that and it takes the worry out of receiving Punts I know you remember what was going on a few short years ago. He plays well in the slot as well he's not a world beater but he has made some big catches and A big catch in our world is converting a freaking first down . I mean he's a 5th WR your not going to get much better we are not going to get another Wright and FWIW he was not that good of a receiver Berrios is a very capable back up or a guy who can give our starters a rest now and then hes not as easy to replace as you might think

[AFJF]

Hating on Berrios...

[rtnelson]

I'm just going to leave this here, since apparently the OP still wants a "better returner".  Maybe he wants to improve from #3 in the league in punt returns?  It's pretty comical to say you want a better returner than one of the best return mans in the league.

[doitny]

7 hours ago, T0mShane said:

He drafted Becton over Justin Jefferson,  Tristan Wirfs, and CeeDee Lamb

and this is why you dont use top draft picks on the OL.

even if Becton didnt get hurt and played well he would be as good as Fant is playing now. but imagine how much better we would be with a weapon like Jefferson or Lamb. 

[doitny]

crazy stat. in 3 years and over 104 targets Berrios has 4 drops. and none this year in 36 targets.

the kid does everything asked of him yet he always is the butt of jokes.

oh poor Sam had scrubs like Berrios to throw to thats why he wasnt good....

omg how dare Saleh play Berrios over Mims. who the hell wants to see Berrios when we have the " Great Mims " on our team. fire Saleh...

i would keep Berrios. he is a reliable backup 

[jamesr]

8 hours ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

 

It is not baffling at all. Berrios is not a good WR. Period. Full stop. He is also not a good Return man. Period. Full stop. And that is because he cant consistently catch, get open or have a big return. It is really quite simple. 

 

So a guy who is at least top 5 in the league in BOTH kick returns and punt returns ... isn't a good return man???

And he can't have a big return ... after the game where he had a big 79 yard return???

Do you realise that there are only 5 players in the league who have broken more than one 40+ yard kick off return all season?

Please stop and think before you post utter drivel like this. It's really quite simple.   

[jamesr]

2 hours ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

Top 10 returner? Based on?

Ranked by who? Love to see that....that's like saying a team has a great run defense when in actuality they just can't stop the pass or vice versa...no they aren't..

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but berrios is the guy who can't make a guy miss and basically just does a fair catch repeatedly right? Sorry but who ranks him good? 

There's a useful site called NFL.com ... it has things called "stats" that let people rate players.

Here's where Berrios ranks as a kick returner ...

That's fifth in the league AT LEAST, though most rankings would remove the guys with only 1 or 2 returns so he'd be second.

Here's where Berrios ranks as a punt returner ...

That's fifth in the league AT LEAST, though most rankings would remove the guys with only 1 or 2 returns so he'd be third.

Second in kick returns and third in punt returns - as ranked by the league itself. At worst top 5 in both. Hopefully that answers your questions.

 

 

[ultraJETfan]

I appreciate Berrios. 

It might be that I pay attention more to the Jets roster over other teams but I feel like Jets have way too many undersized players on offense than any other team. Seems like we have 5 or 6 skill players under 6'. I'm not a fan of this. We need more power forwards and less point guards.

[JiFapono]

11 hours ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

Is he producing? .

Berrios sucks.

Ummmmmmmmmmmm

Typically when you suck, you dont lead the league in something positive and typically, when you lead the league in something positive, you are producing.  

Fun thread!

 

Yds/Kick Return

1.	Braxton Berrios • NYJ	28.9
2.	Tony Pollard • DAL	28.8
3.	Devin Duvernay • BAL	25.5
4.	Byron Pringle • KAN	25.4
5.	DeAndre Carter • WAS	25.0
6.	Isaiah McKenzie • BUF	24.9
7.	Jakeem Grant • CHI	24.4
8.	Godwin Igwebuike • DET	24.2
9.	Jamal Agnew • JAX	23.9
10.	Deonte Harris • NOR	23.6

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[JiFapono]

I now see that I'm not the first to point the above out but none of you said "Fun thread!"

[TuscanyTile2]

13 hours ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

Sometimes we get so caught up in Wilson etc. bring good or how Corey Davis doesn't live up to expectation etc. But the really big things people just dismiss or dont bring up is how bad our roster really is. We have tons of below average jags, that might pop off a play here or there in their 5000 attempts and look good every now and then, but DAMN, we need to upgrade this roster. 

Some people want to extend this guys or other like him. He is a scrub player. Sorry no offense but he is not a playing ball anywhere else. I like to think and debate about our line and other positions but drafting well is really the only way to get better. And for Joe D. part in all this he has been upgrading us, this last draft especially.

I can not wait till we no longer have these guys on the squad, they are god damn practice squad guys.  

SOme of this is also just bad team management like what we see in Baltimore wiht thier RB's. they had a great back in Tyson - young athletic, good player, and then they run Bell, devaonte and every other run down back in the league to replace him. Why the hell we got COleman, Ty johnson out there all year? It took way too many weeks to get Carter the ball. but look at this kid walter. He should be the back up, 

so drafting is great but we also have to lose this hold on to scrub mentality. Braxton should be gone. Rant over. Also i hate Berrios.

I get being upset about the talent level on the roster but Berrios is just fine.  He's not a scrub.  He just has a bigger role on this team than he would on a more talented team.  But he's still a quality player.  I think good teams actually need guys like this.

Regardless, next year is year 1 of a complete rebuild.  

[Biggs]

Pats fans probably said the same thing about Edelman for 4 years.  

[Jet Nut]

6 hours ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

Top 10 returner? Based on?

Ranked by who? Love to see that....that's like saying a team has a great run defense when in actuality they just can't stop the pass or vice versa...no they aren't..

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but berrios is the guy who can't make a guy miss and basically just does a fair catch repeatedly right? Sorry but who ranks him good? 

Hes top 5 in both KR and PR.  Leads the league in KR Yardage I believe.  

Thinking the roster will be better the day we dont have Berrios on it is where you went wrong.  Its any number of scrubs but hes not one of them

 

[Sperm Edwards]

11 hours ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

ok sarcastic. Yes Jags are serviceable. Danny was always good just misused here - but that is another conversation. But he was more than effective he played great for the chargers and was even their lead back for a number of games. Anyway

I do not have unwarranted issues with him. It is warranted as laid out. No upside, poor hands and not much to show for his part. He is what he is, but would not be starter elsewhere. 26 reception for 250 yards. whoo hoo!! look i don't expect much from him but him not being able to get open or catch the ball is big, then add in not being a very good return man, he just should be replaced and will be sooner than later.

Some posters have mention "oh he is the best returner in the league or something to the effect of him being good....This is classic misdirection and a spin move to get past the eye check. He returns more than most and so has some yards but we are ranked almost dead last in Special teams because he is not that good.

Other would like to give you an inflated measurement of his success. But if you watch the games and see him not make anyone miss, not break away, hell the letting the ball bounce to the 1 yard line, Look I know I shouldn't really blame him for that one. It can happen to anyone and does but damn, but c'mon dude is just bad.

Berrious is a practice squad guy playing a starting role for us cause our roster sucks. This shouldnt need to be really explained much.

There are about 8 dead-wrong statements & sentiments above, but it’s hardly worth expanding beyond that. 

[Barton]

Who wrote this thread, Jeff Smith's agent? 

[JiFapono]

5 hours ago, rtnelson said:

I'm just going to leave this here, since apparently the OP still wants a "better returner".  Maybe he wants to improve from #3 in the league in punt returns?  It's pretty comical to say you want a better returner than one of the best return mans in the league.

And just to add to this juicy post as we continue to bury this ridiculously stupid take on Berrios, in addition to what he does in the kick game, except for Pollard who has 5 more receptions on the year (and is a RB so it's not really apples to apples), he has as many or more receptions as everyone on this list.  Him and Duvernay are tied for receptions, and he has more than Pringle and those 2 have former MVP's throwing them the ball, not the worst rated QB in the NFL. 

 

[Trotter]

i won't be a hypocrite because earlier in the year i stated a post where if Berrios is your #1 target, you have issues. I stand by that because he is not a 1,2 or 3 receiver, however, to say we should not have that type of player on the roster is simply incorrect. Say what you want about the guy but he has earned his spot on this roster. Ha plays multiple positions and most important when a ball his thrown his way he typically catches it.

He is not as gifted or hyped as some of the other guys, but players like him are an asset when used properly and not relied upon to be the major source of offense. I believe earlier in the year, the Jets were trending that way. Now I believe they have found the sweet spot for him and personally I would like to see him part of the future of this team. 

[jamesr]

This sums up the 100+ replies to the OP pretty well I think.

[More Cowbell]

7 hours ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

Top 10 returner? Based on?

Ranked by who? Love to see that....that's like saying a team has a great run defense when in actuality they just can't stop the pass or vice versa...no they aren't..

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but berrios is the guy who can't make a guy miss and basically just does a fair catch repeatedly right? Sorry but who ranks him good? 

Go look at his stats. His punt return and KO return averages are at the near top.

https://www.google.com/search?q=punt+return+average+2021&oq=punt+return+ave&aqs=chrome.2.0i512j69i57j0i512l2j0i22i30l5.12921j0j7&client=ms-android-verizon&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

 

https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/category/kickoff-returns/2021/REG/all/kickreturnsaverageyards/desc

I'm going to add this. On a team with not a lot of talent, complaining about a guy that is ranking not in the top 10 as I said but the top 5 for what we actually acquired him for is about silliest thing I have seen on this site, and that is quite a statement 

[Sperm Edwards]

2 hours ago, JiFapono said:

And just to add to this juicy post as we continue to bury this ridiculously stupid take on Berrios, in addition to what he does in the kick game, except for Pollard who has 5 more receptions on the year (and is a RB so it's not really apples to apples), he has as many or more receptions as everyone on this list.  Him and Duvernay are tied for receptions, and he has more than Pringle and those 2 have former MVP's throwing them the ball, not the worst rated QB in the NFL. 

 

His playing time and numbers are down because he’s (by far) the least experienced of the slot receivers on the team, while they’re paying two 28 yr old veterans $5MM apiece and are also starting another rookie WR and a rookie QB. Since he’s showing value on special teams and is outright faster than Crowder or Cole, he makes the most sense of the 3 to have on returns.

Can’t catch, lol. This year Berrios has zero drops and a 73% catch rate, on the receiving end of a QB who’s shown serious short-yardage touch and ball placement issues, and is only rarely given the opportunity to get any real rhythm with a starting QB. On top of being #1 and #3 in KOR and PR average, he also has zero drops on returns, which is like a kicker nailing XPs: areas where you never credit or even notice the absence of a problem. 

The Jets should be so lucky that even 1 in 10 late rounders + UDFAs + waiver wire additions should be as productive and reliable and drama-free as Berrios. 

With the team 3-9, and more-heralded WRs Mims and Davis (and frankly, Cole) underperforming relative to expectations this season, isolating Berrios as a thread-worthy team problem is just about the silliest take on a website that’s had some pretty silly takes this year. 

This is like complaining about winning only $1000 on a scratch-off lottery ticket.

[Jet hustle]

14 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Name a team that has a better 5th wr then berrios.  

Crickets.........................................................................

Whats the  point?   Berrios is a gamer.  Least of our issues...

[JiFapono]

13 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

His playing time and numbers are down because he’s (by far) the least experienced of the slot receivers on the team, while they’re paying two 28 yr old veterans $5MM apiece. Since he’s showing value on special teams and is outright faster than Crowder or Cole, he makes the most sense of the 3 to have on returns.

Can’t catch, lol. This year Berrios has zero drops and a 73% catch rate, on the receiving end of a QB who’s shown serious short-yardage touch and ball placement issues, and is only rarely given the opportunity to get any real rhythm with a starting QB. On top of being #1 and #3 in KOR and PR average, he also has zero drops on returns, which is like a kicker nailing XPs: areas where you never credit or even notice the absence of a problem. 

The Jets should be so lucky that even 1 in 10 late rounders + UDFAs + waiver wire additions should be as productive and reliable and drama-free as Berrios. 

With the team 3-9, and more-heralded WRs Mims and Davis (and frankly, Cole) underperforming relative to expectations this season, isolating Berrios as a thread-worthy team problem is just about the silliest take on a website that’s had some pretty silly takes this year. 

This is like complaining about winning only $1000 on a scratch-off lottery ticket.

Well said. Maybe there was something to Berrios leading the team in targets to after week 3 or 4 or whatever is was.  lol

[CanadaSteve]

14 hours ago, Irish Jet said:

I found it hilarious when everyone was giving him credit for the opening return. A got damn actual Jet could have gone through the gap. He couldn’t make one man miss and would have been caught from behind anyways.

Awful.

It's also posts like this which keep us from getting five stars on The Google.

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

9 hours ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

Top 10 returner? Based on?

Ranked by who? Love to see that....that's like saying a team has a great run defense when in actuality they just can't stop the pass or vice versa...no they aren't..

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but berrios is the guy who can't make a guy miss and basically just does a fair catch repeatedly right? Sorry but who ranks him good? 

Berrios as kickoff returner:

2nd in average for returners with 10 or more returns - 28.9

10th in total yards - 520

Berrios as punt returner:

5th in average for punt returns - 13.6 (9 returns)

3rd in fair catches - 18

Zero fumbles

Is Berrios the TOP returner? No, but he is ONE of the top returners. He is better at kickoff returns than punt returns. His combined numbers as a kick and punt returner still leaves him in the top 15, which makes him a top returner in the league. 

I don't see a single person agreeing with you about Berrios, so let's agree that none of us agree with you and move on.

[ncjetman]

if berrios was a starting wr for us i’d agree with this post - but as others have already stated he is key special teams guy ( anyone miss jeremy kerley fair catching every punt?) and doesn’t make mistakes when he does play as wr- is he a guy you build an offense around? of course not but he is a guy that can have a role on a playoff team


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[the Claw]

What makes anyone think that someday the Jets will be sooo good that they won’t need solid production in the return game and dependability from your WR depth?

[section314]

The team with the best record in the AFC has a roster full of these guys. Always has.   I’d take one Berrios on my team over 10 of Corey Davis or Denzel Mims every day of the week.

[BallinPB]

LMFAO.  I thought the bench Wilson this week post was bad but this might take the cake.  

[munchmemory]

Over the years, these guys are still my favorites:  Leon Washington, Bruce Harper, Leon Johnson and Chad Morton.

[Trotter]

9 minutes ago, BallinPB said:

LMFAO.  I thought the bench Wilson this week post was bad but this might take the cake.  

just think of how great this could be if we included the video of zach's girlfriend and mom telling people to kiss their butt after last Sunday? Good times indeed.

[Jet_Engine1]

7 hours ago, jamesr said:

There's a useful site called NFL.com ... it has things called "stats" that let people rate players.

Here's where Berrios ranks as a kick returner ...

That's fifth in the league AT LEAST, though most rankings would remove the guys with only 1 or 2 returns so he'd be second.

Here's where Berrios ranks as a punt returner ...

That's fifth in the league AT LEAST, though most rankings would remove the guys with only 1 or 2 returns so he'd be third.

Second in kick returns and third in punt returns - as ranked by the league itself. At worst top 5 in both. Hopefully that answers your questions.

 

 

/End this garbage thread

[DLJ]

What a ridiculous post.


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[LSJF]

1 hour ago, munchmemory said:

Over the years, these guys are still my favorites:  Leon Washington, Bruce Harper, Leon Johnson and Chad Morton.

No love for chad cascadden?

[JiFapono]

1 hour ago, munchmemory said:

Over the years, these guys are still my favorites:  Leon Washington, Bruce Harper, Leon Johnson and Chad Morton.