AFJF Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 So this is the roster some expected to be competing for a playoff spot within 2+ years? QB: Darnold - Trevor Siemian - Luke Falk - David Fails RB: Bell - Powell - Adams - Cannon WR: Robby - WR: DT (RIP) - WR: Crowder - TE: Griffin - LT: Beachum - LG: Lewis - RG: Harrison - RT: Shell - DE: Henry Anderson DT: McLendon DE: Quinnen Williams (Hey, there's one!) OLB: Jordan Jenkins ILB: James Burgess ILB: Neville Hewitt OLB: Blake Cashman CB1: Trumaine Johnson CB2: Darrly Roberts Slot: Poole (He was good) This is making me nauseous...here's the link. 2019 New York Jets Starters, Roster, & Players | Pro-Football-Reference.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Irish Jet Posted December 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2021 Go look at the Cardinals roster the year they went 3-13. Or the Browns when they went 0-16. Two years later they were competitive. Stop making excuses. Overhauls can and do happen in the NFL. Douglas has put together his roster and done it exceptionally badly. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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undertow Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 I blame Lou Holtz. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Irish Jet said: Go look at the Cardinals roster the year they went 3-13. Or the Browns when they went 0-16. Two years later they were competitive. Stop making excuses. Overhauls can and do happen in the NFL. Douglas has put together his roster and done it exceptionally badly. I suggest you do the same. Just looked at that Cardinals team and I can pick 1 or 2 guys who have more talent than the entire roster Joe D. inherited. Who on Joe D's roster was the Jets version of Chandler Jones and Patrick Peterson? Was Robby Anderson his Larry Fitzgerald? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 There's a reason why Joe D got a six-year deal as a first-time GM. You're not going to find 45 players in one or two off-seasons. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, AFJF said: There's a reason why Joe D got a six-year deal as a first-time GM. You're not going to find 45 players in one or two off-seasons. Well unless you have a following like a Parcells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hael Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Our previous GM was talented! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Syndicate Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Our current roster isnt any better. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 AFJF shill for the Jets thread. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 10 minutes ago, Prodigal Syndicate said: Our current roster isnt any better. If you don't watch any of the games this is a really good point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said: AFJF shill for the Jets thread. I understand people want somebody to be mad at, but that doesn't offset reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Syndicate Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, AFJF said: If you don't watch any of the games this is a really good point. I watch the games. This team is awful. Just look at our point differential. Look at our record. Look at our defensive rankings. Our best offensive performances came from back up QBs who arent part of the future. What are you watching that makes you think this roster is better? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 minute ago, AFJF said: I understand people want somebody to be mad at, but that doesn't offset reality. Is 3-9 real enough for you? - We are terrible, and apart from some rookies like Moore and Carter we aren’t much better than the 2019 Jets. The jury is still out on Wilson, at the moment he looks worse than Darnold in his rookie year. I’ve just watched the worst defensive performance I’ve seen and I’ve watched this team since 1982. Stop gas lighting, this isn’t going to be even a functional NFL team for a while yet, let alone competitive. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 24 minutes ago, Prodigal Syndicate said: I watch the games. This team is awful. Just look at our point differential. Look at our record. Look at our defensive rankings. Our best offensive performances came from back up QBs who arent part of the future. What are you watching that makes you think this roster is better? Let's make sure we're on the same page here. You're saying that: Fant/Moses/Becton is the same or worse than Kelvin Beachum and Brandon Shell? Bryce Hall is the same or worse than Trumaine Johnson? Michael Carter, Ty Johnson is the same or worse than Bilal Powell and Josh Adams? Alijah Vera Tucker is the same or worse than James Carpenter? Connor McGovern is the same or worse than Spencer Long/Jonathan Harrison? Elijah Moore is the same or worse than Robby Anderson? Corey Davis is the same or worse than Jermaine Kearse? Keelan Cole is the same or worse than Josh Bellamy? John Franklin-Myers is the same or worse than Henry Anderson? Or that you would have paid Leonard Williams a boatload of money based on what he had done up to that point? Michael Carter II is the same or worse than Brian Poole at a fraction of the cost? Joe Flacco/Mike White/Josh Johnson are the same or worse than Luke Falk, Trevor Siemien and David Fails? And how sure are you that after 7 NFL games, Zach Wilson won't be better than Sam Darnold? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 37 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said: Is 3-9 real enough for you? - We are terrible, and apart from some rookies like Moore and Carter we aren’t much better than the 2019 Jets. The jury is still out on Wilson, at the moment he looks worse than Darnold in his rookie year. I’ve just watched the worst defensive performance I’ve seen and I’ve watched this team since 1982. Stop gas lighting, this isn’t going to be even a functional NFL team for a while yet, let alone competitive. Depends on whether or not you had realistic expectations. I thought that with a healthy Becton and Moses they'd pound the ball all day, let Zach pick his spots and win as many as 8 games. As it turns out, there was no Becton, there was no ground and pound and the LBers were wayyyy worse than I thought they'd be, allowing teams to run at will. In the end, they'll win between 3-5 games and will likely approach the defense this offseason the same way they approached the offense last offseason. Early premium picks to fix it. Offense went from worst in the NFL to low 20's with a rookie QB out of a small school. That's not an insignificant amount of improvement. When more experienced passers were on the field, it was one of the most productive offenses in the NFL. The rookie QB just played his best game as a pro in what was only his 7th game. Be as mad as you like. Still work to be done but I'm pretty happy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Syndicate Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 22 minutes ago, AFJF said: Let's make sure we're on the same page here. You're saying that: Fant/Moses/Becton is the same or worse than Kelvin Beachum and Brandon Shell? Bryce Hall is the same or worse than Trumaine Johnson? Michael Carter, Ty Johnson is the same or worse than Bilal Powell and Josh Adams? Alijah Vera Tucker is the same or worse than James Carpenter? Connor McGovern is the same or worse than Spencer Long/Jonathan Harrison? Elijah Moore is the same or worse than Robby Anderson? Corey Davis is the same or worse than Jermaine Kearse? Keelan Cole is the same or worse than Josh Bellamy? John Franklin-Myers is the same or worse than Henry Anderson? Or that you would have paid Leonard Williams a boatload of money based on what he had done up to that point? Michael Carter II is the same or worse than Brian Poole at a fraction of the cost? Joe Flacco/Mike White/Josh Johnson are the same or worse than Luke Falk, Trevor Siemien and David Fails? And how sure are you that after 7 NFL games, Zach Wilson won't be better than Sam Darnold? I am saying the 2019 team would beat this team in a head to head match up and I have no doubt about that. This team is one of the worst i can ever remember in my jets fandom. It's by far the worst defense. So either saleh is completley inept as a coach or this team isnt talented. Because if this roster is allegedly so much better, why is the product on the field so bad? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 51 minutes ago, AFJF said: Depends on whether or not you had realistic expectations. I thought that with a healthy Becton and Moses they'd pound the ball all day, let Zach pick his spots and win as many as 8 games. As it turns out, there was no Becton, there was no ground and pound and the LBers were wayyyy worse than I thought they'd be, allowing teams to run at will. In the end, they'll win between 3-5 games and will likely approach the defense this offseason the same way they approached the offense last offseason. Early premium picks to fix it. Offense went from worst in the NFL to low 20's with a rookie QB out of a small school. That's not an insignificant amount of improvement. When more experienced passers were on the field, it was one of the most productive offenses in the NFL. The rookie QB just played his best game as a pro in what was only his 7th game. Be as mad as you like. Still work to be done but I'm pretty happy. The line is actually better without Becton, who looked terrible in OTA’s, Pre-season, and the little he played, as for realistic I’m not talking 8 wins. I was expecting an improvement over the Adam Gase error. The team as looked at least as bad, the Defence is historically bad. I see no accountability, a team that comes in unprepared every week, and a coach who at best is learning on the fly. The offence only looked of an NFL standard when we played any QB not called Zach Wilson. That’s what dragged the pitiful numbers up into the 20’s. So which is it bad coach or coaching or the roster? - Talent is one thing, lack of effort is another. This team is soft and that starts from its leadership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CSNY Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 34 minutes ago, Prodigal Syndicate said: I am saying the 2019 team would beat this team in a head to head match up and I have no doubt about that. This team is one of the worst i can ever remember in my jets fandom. It's by far the worst defense. So either saleh is completley inept as a coach or this team isnt talented. Because if this roster is allegedly so much better, why is the product on the field so bad? In my opinion This year’s team has more talent than the 2019 team. After a rough start This offense is getting better and showing signs of being an actual NFL caliber unit able to move the ball. The kids in the secondary which all of us thought was going to be our Achilles heal has gained valuable experience and has performed better as season has gone along especially Hall and Carter. On the other hand The defensive line which was supposed to be a strength has been an abomination and to me it’s the scheme they are playing for there is talent on the line as well in Williams Foley and Rankins. I get that there are injuries ( Lawson and Curry) but this d line week in and week out has just been God awful and until they figure out what the fix is we have 5 more games of giving up 30+ plus points a game. The performance of the d line is to me the reason why this team has won only 3 games but overall the talent on this team has been significantly upgraded 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 hour ago, BurnleyJet said: The line is actually better without Becton, who looked terrible in OTA’s, Pre-season, and the little he played, as for realistic I’m not talking 8 wins. I was expecting an improvement over the Adam Gase error. The team as looked at least as bad, the Defence is historically bad. I see no accountability, a team that comes in unprepared every week, and a coach who at best is learning on the fly. The offence only looked of an NFL standard when we played any QB not called Zach Wilson. That’s what dragged the pitiful numbers up into the 20’s. So which is it bad coach or coaching or the roster? - Talent is one thing, lack of effort is another. This team is soft and that starts from its leadership. Becton is going to be fine. A reportedly bad camp isn't going to scare me off. You expected them to improve and they did. From 32nd in offense to low 20's. They won two games last season and should end up with 4 or 5 this season. Why downplay the performance of the offense? Without Wilson they were tops in the NFL in yards during that stretch. That's far better than "standard". If you thought Zach would go from BYU to the NFL and light it up then we approached this season differently. I expected him to be very good from games 9-17. He's still not at game 8 yet and just had his best game as a pro. So it's the talent and the coaching right now. This is what you get when you have a 53-man roster that had 8 or so NFL caliber players on it just over two years ago and a rookie head coach. The losing sucks, but there's a ton to be optimistic about and I'm not going to say this roster is no better than the one Joe Douglas took over. It's dramatically better but still has gaping holes. When he arrived there were probably 30 of those. Now there are a handful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Prodigal Syndicate said: I am saying the 2019 team would beat this team in a head to head match up and I have no doubt about that. This team is one of the worst i can ever remember in my jets fandom. It's by far the worst defense. So either saleh is completley inept as a coach or this team isnt talented. Because if this roster is allegedly so much better, why is the product on the field so bad? Okay, now can you answer the questions I asked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 5 hours ago, AFJF said: So this is the roster some expected to be competing for a playoff spot within 2+ years? QB: Darnold - Trevor Siemian - Luke Falk - David Fails RB: Bell - Powell - Adams - Cannon WR: Robby - WR: DT (RIP) - WR: Crowder - TE: Griffin - LT: Beachum - LG: Lewis - RG: Harrison - RT: Shell - DE: Henry Anderson DT: McLendon DE: Quinnen Williams (Hey, there's one!) OLB: Jordan Jenkins ILB: James Burgess ILB: Neville Hewitt OLB: Blake Cashman CB1: Trumaine Johnson CB2: Darrly Roberts Slot: Poole (He was good) This is making me nauseous...here's the link. 2019 New York Jets Starters, Roster, & Players | Pro-Football-Reference.com The only people I remember actually believing this roster was playoff worthy was Colin Cowheard and Sar I who might be the same person when you consider how bad and wrong their takes are all the time. That said, I think if these teams played head to head, the 21 team would lose. And that's sad, but the good news about today's roster is it's young and not stuck with old last leggers like Bell, Johnson, DT (RIP), Powell, etc. at least now it's up and coming (hopefully) youngsters, so there is more a foundation to build off but as I've said many times before because we've been through enough of these to know by now, the hard part isnt breaking it down, it's building it back up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 6 hours ago, AFJF said: So this is the roster some expected to be competing for a playoff spot within 2+ years? QB: Darnold - Trevor Siemian - Luke Falk - David Fails RB: Bell - Powell - Adams - Cannon WR: Robby - WR: DT (RIP) - WR: Crowder - TE: Griffin - LT: Beachum - LG: Lewis - RG: Harrison - RT: Shell - DE: Henry Anderson DT: McLendon DE: Quinnen Williams (Hey, there's one!) OLB: Jordan Jenkins ILB: James Burgess ILB: Neville Hewitt OLB: Blake Cashman CB1: Trumaine Johnson CB2: Darrly Roberts Slot: Poole (He was good) This is making me nauseous...here's the link. 2019 New York Jets Starters, Roster, & Players | Pro-Football-Reference.com That’s the roster Gase inherited and everyone thought he should win with. The endless streams of Manish articles airing LeVeon Bell’s grievances (anonymously, of course) was fun, too. If you thought Gase should win with that, you should think Saleh should be in the Super Bowl next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, T0mShane said: That’s the roster Gase inherited and everyone thought he should win with. The endless streams of Manish articles airing LeVeon Bell’s grievances (anonymously, of course) was fun, too. If you thought Gase should win with that, you should think Saleh should be in the Super Bowl next season. IIRC, that's when we were told Adam Gase was going to revolutionize the game of football and the only thing holding him back way Ryan Tannehill. We all saw how Tannehill fell apart when he was left without Gase. What's he up to nowadays anyway? Edited December 12, 2021 by AFJF 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 30 minutes ago, JiFapono said: The only people I remember actually believing this roster was playoff worthy was Colin Cowheard and Sar I who might be the same person when you consider how bad and wrong their takes are all the time. That said, I think if these teams played head to head, the 21 team would lose. And that's sad, but the good news about today's roster is it's young and not stuck with old last leggers like Bell, Johnson, DT (RIP), Powell, etc. at least now it's up and coming (hopefully) youngsters, so there is more a foundation to build off but as I've said many times before because we've been through enough of these to know by now, the hard part isnt breaking it down, it's building it back up. I think the 2021 team wins. This is why the 2021 team has more wins. Because they're better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, AFJF said: IIRC, that's when we were told Adam Gase was going to revolutionize the game of football and the only thing holding him back way Ryan Tannehill. We all saw how Tannehill fell apart when he was left without Gase. What's he up to nowadays anyway? That’s funny, because Gase had a winning record in Miami in the games Tannehill’s frail body allowed him to attend. As for Tannehill, he’s currently ruining Mike Vrabel’s once promising career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: That’s funny, because Gase had a winning record in Miami in the games Tannehill’s frail body allowed him to attend. As for Tannehill, he’s currently ruining Mike Vrabel’s once promising career. Right, now do the AVT vs James Carpenter breakdown before you explain why Kearse is better than Elijah Moore . Edited December 12, 2021 by AFJF 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, AFJF said: I think the 2021 team wins. This is why the 2021 team has more wins. Because they're better. Damn, bro, that's a heavy hitting take! .....but, the link you provided took me to the page of the 2019 New York Jets, so I assumed you were talking about that particular team, and on that page is says that the NY Jets of 2019 won 7 games, which is more than 3 and I assume, by your outstandingly profound logic provided above that the '19 team was, as you say, better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, AFJF said: Right, now do the AVT vs James Carpenter breakdown before you explain why Kearse is better than Elijah Moore . Agreed. The roster Gase had to work with was all-rime awful and Saleh’s roster is significantly better than that one. Mike Maccagnan was the worst GM in the history of sport 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Douglas has two drafts under his belt. What percentage of those guys are actually starting? The lineup you posted is bad, but the players Douglas drafted to replace them arent really playing either, with the exception of Moore(hurt again),Tucker (a guard) Wilson, and Hall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSNY Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 9 minutes ago, T0mShane said: That’s funny, because Gase had a winning record in Miami in the games Tannehill’s frail body allowed him to attend. As for Tannehill, he’s currently ruining Mike Vrabel’s once promising career. To be fair he is missing Derrick Henry who is an integral part of the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, CSNY said: To be fair he is missing Derrick Henry who is an integral part of the team. Of course. What Glenn is implying is that Gase wasted Tannehill and Tannehill blossomed when he got away from Gase. They tried doing to same things with Kenyan Drake and Devante Parker, and then Sam Darnold. Tannehill without Henry is effectively Daniel Jones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 6 hours ago, Irish Jet said: Go look at the Cardinals roster the year they went 3-13. Or the Browns when they went 0-16. Two years later they were competitive. Stop making excuses. Overhauls can and do happen in the NFL. Douglas has put together his roster and done it exceptionally badly. The Browns didnt go 0-16. They were deep into changing their roster, didnt need to dump out The Cardinals didnt go 3-13 Do you ever quote actual facts or just make it up to try and make a point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 15 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Douglas has two drafts under his belt. What percentage of those guys are actually starting? The lineup you posted is bad, but the players Douglas drafted to replace them arent really playing either, with the exception of Moore(hurt again),Tucker (a guard) Wilson, and Hall. So injured players are JDs fault? Players like both Carters, Becton arent starters? AVT, Pinnock, Echols, Davis, Mann, Nasirildeen dont count? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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