sec101row23 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 These numbers don’t lie. We all knew this defense was bad but these numbers show it’s one of the worst in the last 2 decades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 But but but Saleh just needs time... 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 The LBers (aside from Quincy) are all terrible fits for this scheme. I believe they hold on to Mosely another year and then can him in the 2023 offseason. His cap hit won’t be monstrous at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Patriot Killa said: The LBers (aside from Quincy) are all terrible fits for this scheme. I believe they hold on to Mosely another year and then can him in the 2023 offseason. His cap hit won’t be monstrous at that point. Mosely is the least of our problems on D right now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbt Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 It's a process 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Mosely is the least of our problems on D right now. Mosley has been kinda ass the past few games. Idk if he’s slightly dinged up and it’s making him slower than usual to read & react, but he has been a liability over the middle lately. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: The LBers (aside from Quincy) are all terrible fits for this scheme. I believe they hold on to Mosely another year and then can him in the 2023 offseason. His cap hit won’t be monstrous at that point. They shouldn’t all be terrible fits though. Mosley is really the only holdover that’s been getting regular playing time. The rest were brought in here by this current staff, we shouldn’t have that many terrible fits. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 The good news is it is a lot easier to fix a defense than an offense 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 I think the Jets expected major growing pains on defense but also had some unexpected failures and injuries that led to this mess. 1. Young CB's that have potential but still need to learn and get better. Carter 2, Echols, Hall. Remember those were the starters coming into the season. And they were backed up by young, inexperienced CBs as well- Guidry, Dunn, Pinnock, etc. 2. Injuries to the Safety position. Maye, Nas, Joyner all struggled with injuries. Even Neasman. In general the safety position only had Davis- a second year player as its stalwart. 3. Failure at the LB position. Mainly with Davis. He's been really disappointing. In general it seems like the LBs on this team, apart from Mosely, have been underwhelming. Williams has shown some flashes, but as a unit they have looked pretty bad. 4. Injury to our potentially top Pass Rusher in Lawson. This guy was going to be a major part of this defense. He was not only going to add pressure off the edge but open up everyone else's game- QW, Rankins, JFM...Instead he is out all year, the LBs are underperforming and this talented Dline is rendered much less impactful as a unit. *I would also add that when you have a bunch of new/young players in a new system, whether they are perfect for the system or not, its going to take time to figure it out for them and get an understanding how it runs in the NFL. Because its always going to be different than in college, especially what Saleh runs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 6 yards per play over 12 games 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Whiners. Being historically bad at defense is part of the plan. You guys just don't know what genius looks like. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 minute ago, freestater said: Whiners. Being historically bad at defense is part of the plan. You guys just don't know what genius looks like. True. Set the bar so incredibly low that even a minuscule improvement next year will look better than it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 A scheme dependent on an extremely rare edge and a MLB with equally rare coverage skills might not be the best plan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 ....And if we're talking about 'fixing' the defense the solution is clear. Draft a CB and LB high in the draft. They have 4 picks in the first 2 rounds and those selections need to be CB, OG/OT, TE and LB in no particular order. Stingley, Green/Ikonwu/Neal, Wydermyer, Brandon Smith would be a nice haul. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 2020 "Just. Build. The. Offense." "Stop taking 5 techs and Strong Safeties in round one." 2021 "This defense is terrible, WTF" Something something "Joe Douglas plan" **eye roll** 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSNY Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 The talent on d line is there don’t know what Urlacher is doing with it but whatever it is it’s not working so make an adjustment to what will work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet2020 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 hour ago, sec101row23 said: These numbers don’t lie. We all knew this defense was bad but these numbers show it’s one of the worst in the last 2 decades. Ok so not as bad as I thought. Literally thought it was THE worse overall in points allowed…ever. There’s still time. “Part of the plan”. Thank you Saleh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Jet Nut said: Mosely is the least of our problems on D right now. He is pure awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet2020 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 22 minutes ago, PepPep said: ....And if we're talking about 'fixing' the defense the solution is clear. Draft a CB and LB high in the draft. They have 4 picks in the first 2 rounds and those selections need to be CB, OG/OT, TE and LB in no particular order. Stingley, Green/Ikonwu/Neal, Wydermyer, Brandon Smith would be a nice haul. With the amount of voids this team has, I’d be losses if we didn’t trade down from one of our top 6 picks into the teens and pick up a future first along with another second this year maybe? Hopefully the Adams’ pick so we can continue claiming victory for another year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymangold Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 it's what happens when you draft a bunch of safeties, turn then in to LBs and expect immediate results. it's what happens when you have an extremely inexperienced staff, with a very young and talent devoid roster and expect immediate results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Beerfish said: He is pure awful. Hes neither been purely awful all season or the biggest problem with the defense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Jets draft defense for 20 years in a row and now we are in the fix the defense mode. My worst fear is coming true. After actually trying to add offense for a year or so and still FAR away for building an offense e are already talking about total defense drafts. Worst thing to happen to this team coach aside was hiring a Dcentric coach who is floundering. It will b another proud NY jets draft when we draft a pass rusher, safety and LB with three of our 1st 4 picks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 14 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Jets draft defense for 20 years in a row and now we are in the fix the defense mode. It's actually pretty astounding. We spend one offseason focusing on the offense and the defense becomes one of the worst of all time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy 2 Times Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 I just hope Saleh will adjust if this continues into next season. After an offseason of his hand picked players to fit his system, we should start seeing results 6 games into 2022. His CEO approach is my preference, but only if he makes the necessary changes to his staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 This could be a historically bad roster on defense as well. How many guys would start for other NFL teams? I think we have one bonafide starter at LB.... Mosely. In the Secondary we have one guy who should be a CB2, Bryce Hall. Nobody else should be starting outside of maybe Michael Carter II as a slot/nickel CB. That's 66% of the defense, everyone behind the DLine. As for the DLine we have QW, JFM, and a rotation of slightly above average guys some of whom are one-year rentals like Shaq who replaces Carl at the Lawson position. ? Saleh wants to run a penetrating, attacking DLine which makes it susceptible against the run if the run-fits aren't right on a particular play. In San Francisco this was fine because if the RB got through the DLine he would have a 3-yard gain when sure-tackling LBs got him. Those RBs here seem to go for 8 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 28 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Jets draft defense for 20 years in a row and now we are in the fix the defense mode. My worst fear is coming true. After actually trying to add offense for a year or so and still FAR away for building an offense e are already talking about total defense drafts. Worst thing to happen to this team coach aside was hiring a Dcentric coach who is floundering. It will b another proud NY jets draft when we draft a pass rusher, safety and LB with three of our 1st 4 picks. Share a similar fear. But taking Thibodeaux or Hutch if available seems like a no brainer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 The Jets hired a defensive coach whose defensive plan generally was to draft a lot of DL and defense generally (doing a good job scouting lower round draft picks) and telling them to go play. We don’t have the players for this defense. If, Saleh needed, let’s say, 14 NFL quality players to run his defense the right way, how many are on the field now? I would not even include Mosley because he is not really a fit. If through the draft, prior drafts and FA the Jets are able to add 4+ New players to this defense, I think they go from atrocious to ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZSOJ Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 What galls me the most about this HC is his defense of the DC. Look I understand he is not going to throw him under the bus but how can you repeatedly say he is doing a good job when it's an abject failure. BUT there is always 20.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDecker Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 This is by far the worst Jets defense I've seen in my lifetime! That's crazy to say out loud after going through Kottite and Gase era jets 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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