kevinc855 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 14 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said: The night is always darkest before the dawn. Hang in there fellas. This season was necessary unfortunately. Things will be alot better next year. **** off 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadienJetsFan Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 52 minutes ago, Irish Jet said: You say this like it's an excuse and not another failing of the organisation. Douglas chose to combine a young staff with a young roster. There are always veterans available. It has turned to sh*t and it's just another year where the Jets aren't competitive. People expected progress. If Wilson is as bad as he looks then we've gone backwards. Douglas has to go. Sorry but I disagree. it’s not an excuse. That’s the plan that JD decided to embark on. It’s along term rebuild that hasn’t been done in decades. This year, he played his kids and he’ll know by end of the year who to keep, and who to flush. He’s got ample draft picks and salary cap galore to fill in the voids. You obviously don’t think that the plan will pan out. You may be right, you may be gladly wrong. I’m confident that this will work out because for the very first time, the Johnsons are staying out of the decision making process and if we look at the mistakes of the past, many mistakes happened when Woody stuck his nose where it never belonged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 after a loss like that it's really hard to see the forest for the trees. i hate to say it, but mike white may have had a better chance given all of the drops and poor throws by wilson but it's hard to say if they would've won. the saints offense was just getting too much rushing and passing. and the defense did register a few third down stops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 14 minutes ago, CanadienJetsFan said: Sorry but I disagree. it’s not an excuse. That’s the plan that JD decided to embark on. It’s along term rebuild that hasn’t been done in decades. This year, he played his kids and he’ll know by end of the year who to keep, and who to flush. He’s got ample draft picks and salary cap galore to fill in the voids. You obviously don’t think that the plan will pan out. You may be right, you may be gladly wrong. I’m confident that this will work out because for the very first time, the Johnsons are staying out of the decision making process and if we look at the mistakes of the past, many mistakes happened when Woody stuck his nose where it never belonged. He already punted last season - We heard then that he was flushing out the bad. He had even more cap space and draft capital - And yet here we are. You can't do this two years in a row. If he loses 10+ games again next year there's simply no justification for keeping him. We're bottoming out score differentials under him - It's as bad as it gets and there is no real sign of progress at all. At some point you need good players and you need to play competitively. His record speaks for itself - Who he's brought in, who he's passed on - It isn't good. It's easy to spin the horrible football you're seeing into "growing pains" but that's just nonsense. There's no actual sign of growth outside of maybe 3/4 players on a roster of 53. The team isn't improving and there's no more franchise players now than there was in the group Douglas inherited. We had literally the exact same stuff being said under Idzik - Youngest roster in the league, most rookie contributors etc. - It wasn't a sign of promising youth it was a sign of bad players. That's what bad football generally is. There was absolutely no excuse to put Zach Wilson in this situation, surrounded by rookie coaches and young players. The kid was raw enough coming out of BYU and we didn't even give him a veteran presence in the QB room that could guide him. He's looked completely overwhelmed and is already looking like a long shot to make it even as a serviceable NFL player. This isn't a captain hindsight thing either - Lots of people highlighted this issue heading into the season. This is what is going to be thrown at Douglas next year when he's being evaluated and unless we turn everything around fast he deserves to go. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 14 hours ago, GangGreened said: Both of those coaching staffs are likely out at the end of the season. Should we do the same? Not because those two staffs may be gone. One in Chicago has been a failure for 5, 6 seasons the other is not only less competent that our staff by a long shot its HC has embarrassed the franchise with Urbans bar video, public comments that left his team questioning him publicly, even his FQB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 hour ago, CanadienJetsFan said: Sorry but I disagree. it’s not an excuse. That’s the plan that JD decided to embark on. It’s along term rebuild that hasn’t been done in decades. This year, he played his kids and he’ll know by end of the year who to keep, and who to flush. He’s got ample draft picks and salary cap galore to fill in the voids. You obviously don’t think that the plan will pan out. You may be right, you may be gladly wrong. I’m confident that this will work out because for the very first time, the Johnsons are staying out of the decision making process and if we look at the mistakes of the past, many mistakes happened when Woody stuck his nose where it never belonged. I agree with you on most of what your saying. The one key point of the plan taking root was to give Wilson all the reps he could handle to establish a base for 2022. The problem is I'm having serious doubts that Wilson will develop into anything more than a Danny Jones type QB. He has the physical attributes but his accuracy , poise under pressure and decision making is piss poor right now. Unless they can transform this kid in the offseason I'm not sure the 2022 plan takes flight with this QB under center. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Can't disagree. There is very, very little reason for optimism right now. Last year I kept saying "with a new HC and a new QB things could look very different." Apparently with a new HC and new QB things can look just as bad -- maybe even worse. At least Gregg Williams had the defense looking like they had a pulse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 17 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: Can't disagree. There is very, very little reason for optimism right now. Last year I kept saying "with a new HC and a new QB things could look very different." Apparently with a new HC and new QB things can look just as bad -- maybe even worse. At least Gregg Williams had the defense looking like they had a pulse. Yeah. Zero improvement anywhere. The one player who’s looked like part (Moore) has been frequently injured. After him, there’s really nothing else. Fant I guess could be a long term LT. What exactly are the Jets doing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OilfieldJet Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 15 hours ago, CanadienJetsFan said: Here’s the reality: Rookie head coach + rookie OC+ rookie DC & rookie QB = a lot of ugly football . Oh let’s also add having the youngest starting roster in the NFL to the pile. I won’t add injuries to the list of excuses because all teams get them but one can argue that when you have so little roster depth like the Jets, the injuries just magnify all other issues. All you guys asking for heads to roll, what did you REALLY expect this season? Thank you. Don't get me wrong, it's a disaster of a franchise, but this year was always a flush. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OilfieldJet Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 25 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said: The one key point of the plan taking root was to give Wilson all the reps he could handle to establish a base for 2022. This plan, for this QB and this situation, sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadienJetsFan Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Irish Jet said: This is what is going to be thrown at Douglas next year when he's being evaluated and unless we turn everything around fast he deserves to go. I think he gets 2022 as the year to turn things around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 49 minutes ago, OilfieldJet said: This plan, for this QB and this situation, sucks. I think the plan was fine. Million $ question , is and can the QB progress from here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetluv58 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 14 hours ago, JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF said: Didn't much of the Tampa misery of that era tie in with Culverhouse being a total Miser? The Johnsons will NEVER pay a real HC. That's now apparent. The Glasers new ownership led to the building of a new stadium and the hiring of Tony Dungy who took the Bucs 99% of the way there and then Gruden took them to a Super Bowl victory (ironically, over the Raiders). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 24 minutes ago, CanadienJetsFan said: I think he gets 2022 as the year to turn things around Oh he definitely does. I want him gone but I know it isn’t happening. I just can’t see how this team competes next year. They can preach progress all they want, the results wont lie. Their biggest problem is Wilson. If he doesn’t improve to at least around average then this is going nowhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Irish Jet said: Oh he definitely does. I want him gone but I know it isn’t happening. I just can’t see how this team competes next year. They can preach progress all they want, the results wont lie. Their biggest problem is Wilson. If he doesn’t improve to at least around average then this is going nowhere. even if wilson improves, the team won’t win more than 4 games with this run defense. It’s one thing to see improvement in a qb, but to actually win you need more than that. The jets as usual have so many needs that whoever they draft in the early rounds will inevitably leave many here lamenting they didn’t address other positions. Multiple pass rushers and lbs, wrs, tes and OL. What a mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadienJetsFan Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 47 minutes ago, Irish Jet said: Oh he definitely does. I want him gone but I know it isn’t happening. I just can’t see how this team competes next year. They can preach progress all they want, the results wont lie. Their biggest problem is Wilson. If he doesn’t improve to at least around average then this is going nowhere. I agree. JD's success will come down to Wilson's improving next year. At least he had no INTs yesterday! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 4 hours ago, CanadienJetsFan said: Sorry but I disagree. it’s not an excuse. That’s the plan that JD decided to embark on. It’s along term rebuild that hasn’t been done in decades. This year, he played his kids and he’ll know by end of the year who to keep, and who to flush. He’s got ample draft picks and salary cap galore to fill in the voids. You obviously don’t think that the plan will pan out. You may be right, you may be gladly wrong. I’m confident that this will work out because for the very first time, the Johnsons are staying out of the decision making process and if we look at the mistakes of the past, many mistakes happened when Woody stuck his nose where it never belonged. Well so far the decisions seem To suck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 19 hours ago, Flea Flicking Frank said: Wilson looks awful, but lets be honest, this entire franchise is atrocious. This coaching staff is horrid, absolutely horrid. Lack of talent everywhere. As much as ZW doesn't look anything like a FQB, Saleh and his staff look equally awful Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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