Cimini questions Saleh about team progress

[Rhg1084]

coach befuddled by question 

[freestater]

Is he really getting upset at that question? 

Its going off the rails when the guy can't defend himself against the most obvious and quantifiable criticism. 

[undertow]

I think part of Salehs learning process is he's not trying to be friends with these guy's anymore and he's just avoiding gotcha questions.   

[rtnelson]

He's not going to come out and say that "guys getting first time opportunities" suck.  The team has been absolutely decimated with injuries, and he's not going to throw backups to backups and practice squad players under the bus.  He could have been more tactful, but we should all know why he didn't answer the question straight up.

[T0mShane]

11 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

coach befuddled by question 

A dude who quite literally has never been in charge of anything and bristles at having to be responsible for everything. Really, really, really needed to hire a coordinator with experience to help guide him through the sh*t, but he hired his homeboys instead. 

[T0mShane]

5 minutes ago, freestater said:

Is he really getting upset at that question? 

Its going off the rails when the guy can't defend himself against the most obvious and quantifiable criticism. 

He wanted to say that he’s stuck coaching a bunch of rookies and backups, but he stopped himself because he knew it’d come off as excuse-making, particularly when chopped up into soundbytes. 

[sec101row23]

Saleh better be very careful with his answers.   It’s cool to be able to say how everyone is young and in their first year and yada, yada, yada.   What’s his answer going to be next year when expectations ramp up even more than they are now.    It’s easy to be dismissive of people asking about the lack of improvement right now and act like he knows more and has everything under control.   He has 4 more games of these excuses and then he’s going to have to come up different excuses.   

[JTJet]

Thanks JD

[Jet_Engine1]

[Big_Slick]

These post game press conferences will get real ugly if the Jets get off to a bad start in '22.

[GangGreened]

Ahh.. we really messed up this past off season. On so many levels 

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

Is it really that hard to understand what Saleh said and didn't want to say?  Not only was this team young and inexperienced in August, but now in December, it is decimated by injuries.   The team that took the field in September was already missing key pieces from the team that opened camp in July, and the team that took the field yesterday did not even resemble the team that opened the season in July, or September.  He started to say that players that played yesterday were getting first time NFL experience, but just stopped. Anybody looking to measure this team with wins and losses at this point is showing lack of knowledge.  And Cimini is just being his name - Dick.  

[Ken Schroy]

Fair question. He has to expect this, but he continues to struggle everywhere.

[Bronx]

23 minutes ago, rtnelson said:

The team has been absolutely decimated with injuries,

Year in, year out with the same excuses

 

[kevinc855]

good for rich

[Drums]

17 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

Saleh better be very careful with his answers.   It’s cool to be able to say how everyone is young and in their first year and yada, yada, yada.   What’s his answer going to be next year when expectations ramp up even more than they are now.    It’s easy to be dismissive of people asking about the lack of improvement right now and act like he knows more and has everything under control.   He has 4 more games of these excuses and then he’s going to have to come up different excuses.   

I hate when he says the progress shows up on film. I get it but after hearing that every week, you have to start asking, then wtf did we just watch for 3 hours?

[K_O_Brien]

Surprised he didn't deflect attention on to Zach's struggles like he usually does. 

[Zachtomims47]

 

22 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

He wanted to say that he’s stuck coaching a bunch of rookies and backups, but he stopped himself because he knew it’d come off as excuse-making, particularly when chopped up into soundbytes. 

Pretty much. And I don't see anything wrong with the way he handled that question. 

[Drums]

5 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

Is it really that hard to understand what Saleh said and didn't want to say?  Not only was this team young and inexperienced in August, but now in December, it is decimated by injuries.   The team that took the field in September was already missing key pieces from the team that opened camp in July, and the team that took the field yesterday did not even resemble the team that opened the season in July, or September.  He started to say that players that played yesterday were getting first time NFL experience, but just stopped. Anybody looking to measure this team with wins and losses at this point is showing lack of knowledge.  And Cimini is just being his name - Dick.  

I like to be reasonable and logical so I thought about this. However, this was literally their strategy (to go in young). So this is the result of THEIR strategy. I know it is difficult to build depth with the roster in the shape that it is but injuries are guaranteed. It is like me forgetting an umbrella when it rains every day.

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, Zachtomims47 said:

 

Pretty much. And I don't see anything wrong with the way he handled that question. 

It was fine, imo. He’s given a few strange quotes when pressed this year. He’s a rookie and he’s performing about as well as his rookie QB

[Bronx]

42 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

coach befuddled by question 

Pussy!

[kevinc855]

Cimini asking that question 

[kevinc855]

13 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

Is it really that hard to understand what Saleh said and didn't want to say?  Not only was this team young and inexperienced in August, but now in December, it is decimated by injuries.   The team that took the field in September was already missing key pieces from the team that opened camp in July, and the team that took the field yesterday did not even resemble the team that opened the season in July, or September.  He started to say that players that played yesterday were getting first time NFL experience, but just stopped. Anybody looking to measure this team with wins and losses at this point is showing lack of knowledge.  And Cimini is just being his name - Dick.  

Rich was 100 percent right. 

All of you told me the team would "gel" come mid season. We are here in Dec and there is zero difference from the Sep team. 

It's just a really really bad football team and roster. 

[Sonny Werblin]

I'm just curious. So, what is the "A" answer for those that didn't like the response?

[Sonny Werblin]

3 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

Rich was 100 percent right. 

All of you told me the team would "gel" come mid season. We are here in Dec and there is zero difference from the Sep team. 

It's just a really really bad football team and roster. 

Tough for a team to "gel" when the starting players change every week, and it is a first year for everyone in a new system.

[The Crusher]

37 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

A dude who quite literally has never been in charge of anything and bristles at having to be responsible for everything. Really, really, really needed to hire a coordinator with experience to help guide him through the sh*t, but he hired his homeboys instead. 

Remind me of Bill and Ted’s excellent adventure minus the excellent part. 

[THE BARON]

28 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

A dude who quite literally has never been in charge of anything and bristles at having to be responsible for everything. Really, really, really needed to hire a coordinator with experience to help guide him through the sh*t, but he hired his homeboys instead. 

That seems to be the compelling issue with Saleh.  He surrounds himself with his "pals".   Based on interviews I heard with him before the season started, I thought there was a lot to like.  My mind has changed since then.  It appears that he's out of his depth.   That is not based on how he answers questions now.  It is based on an absolute lack of progress with respect to his team's performance.  

And for those using injury as an excuse.  The methods a coach uses to practice and prepare is absolutely related to the percentage of injuries that will be sustained.   It is not always bad luck/chance.  It can be bad habits that lead to a percentage of injures that stay well above league average. 

Joe Douglas has been a disaster and so far, so has his HC.   And... I dont see it getting any better.

And... Once again, it all goes back to the top.

Woody heads off to Europe.  He hands the Jets off to CJ

CJ is duped by Gase.

Gase hires JD

JD hires Saleh

Saleh hires his pals.

And the starting point was Woody.  

[kevinc855]

2 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

Tough for a team to "gel" when the starting players change every week, and it is a first year for everyone in a new system.

It does not take one year to learn " a system" 

That's just not a factual statement. 

Also does miss tackles, throws, and drops get learned in " the system" 

[TuscanyTile2]

Can't wait to see the press conferences if we lose to the Dolphins and Jags.

[slimjasi]

42 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

He wanted to say that he’s stuck coaching a bunch of rookies and backups, but he stopped himself because he knew it’d come off as excuse-making, particularly when chopped up into soundbytes. 

This is my best guess. 

He wants to say "we looked like we were making progress on offense when Moore, Davis, and Michael Carter were playing and our defense is starting late round draft picks who may not even belong in the league"

But he knows how bad that will sound.

Although the injuries have killed the Jets again, this team constantly feels out of position on defense and out of sync on offense. There are profound coaching issues this season and I'm sure he knows that. This dude needs an offseason to reflect and regroup, much like the QB. 

[slimjasi]

3 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Can't wait to see the press conferences if we lose to the Dolphins and Jags.

Can't imagine us beating the Dolphins at this point. The Jags look like the only remotely winnable game on the schedule to me

[Waka Flocka Flacco]

Nobody ever questions the premise.

[kevinc855]

6 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Can't wait to see the press conferences if we lose to the Dolphins and Jags.

'These young men play their buts off" 

Ya know that's coming 

[maury77]

15 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

I'm just curious. So, what is the "A" answer for those that didn't like the response?

"We expected to be better at this stage, but myself, the rest of the staff and the players are not performing at the level we expected to by this stage and that starts with me as the head coach." Heaven forbid Saleh admits that he hasn't been Vince Lombardi up until now. 

[slimjasi]

46 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

this one never gets old