Todd McShay latest mock draft

[JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF]

4 hours ago, HighPitch said:

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  7.
  George Karlaftis

  EDGE Purdue
   
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  16.
  Tyler Linderbaum

  OC Iowa
  
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  36.
  Isaiah Likely

  TE Coastal Carolina
   
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  39.
  Carson Strong

  QB Nevada
   
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  50.
  Brandon Smith

  LB Penn State
  
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  56.
  Jahan Dotson

  WR Penn State
  
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  68.
  Arnold Ebiketie

  EDGE Penn State
   
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  109.
  Brian Asamoah II

  LB Oklahoma
   
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  111.
  Chris Autman-Bell

  WR Minnesota
   
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Carson Strong, there's a great football name.  Imagine a QB competition like that...

Carson Strong vs Zack Wilson...would be great for the jokes alone.

And if Wilson wins he can still fall back on copyrighting his name and selling it to a porno star.

[Rhg1084]

6 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Which is almost certain to be the case.

QB needy team will fight to get up to draft "their guy". I think we'll be in a position to trade down, but shouldn't.

We could hope the QB's taken before us drop down the better positions players (Edge hopefully) but we have enough picks.  We need players that will make an impact.

well then hopefully Houston or Detroit takes a QB with their pick ahead of us and we can land either Thibodeaux or Hutchinson! 

[FidelioJet]

6 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

well then hopefully Houston or Detroit takes a QB with their pick ahead of us and we can land either Thibodeaux or Hutchinson! 

That is the hope.  They both need one, will fall in love with someone and not want to risk losing him.  
well, at least that’ll be what I’m hoping to see happen. 

[derp]

41 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I heard him on ESPN radio explaining this mock draft and he sounded like a fifth grader doing a book report on the Presidents of the United States starting with Lincoln. Just a cursory explanation of who he drafted and a banal reasoning for “why [they] make sense there.” I cannot for the life of me figure out why ESPN pushes this guy down our throats every draft season.

I know he's had some demons and I don't mean to give him a hard time, I just honestly don't get how when you're paid to do this stuff and only do like one mock draft every month you don't have some check in place to make sure you don't write something like what I was making fun of. Guys who do this as a hobby are more thoughtful.

The whole concept of mock drafts this early, fun as they are, is remarkably silly - so it's whatever. All the scheme fit, team pattern stuff tends to get ignored. There are a million reasonable iterations, but the contradiction got me.

[jgb]

43 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Which is almost certain to be the case.

QB needy team will fight to get up to draft "their guy". I think we'll be in a position to trade down, but shouldn't.

We could hope the QB's taken before us drop down the better positions players (Edge hopefully) but we have enough picks.  We need players that will make an impact.

Yep. The only way I trade down is if we're trading down like 1-2 spots because someone drafting after us wants to lock in a QB.

[Greenseed4]

All I know is I’m going to upvote the sh*t outta whoever guesses our picks correctly.  I might even create an alt account to add even MORE upvotes. 

[HighPitch]

my hope is the qb hype will go nuts, as always, and one or two go before we pick so that we get either hutchinson or thribeau whatever their names are

[HighPitch]

1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

That is the hope.  They both need one, will fall in love with someone and not want to risk losing him.  
well, at least that’ll be what I’m hoping to see happen. 

Im usually NOT into trading down but this draft seems perfect to do so. We can slide a few spots like 10-15 and still get more or less an equal player, and pick up a third second which has a lot of good players

[Greenseed4]

19 minutes ago, HighPitch said:

Im usually NOT into trading down but this draft seems perfect to do so. We can slide a few spots like 10-15 and still get more or less an equal player, and pick up a third second which has a lot of good players

You can say this every year.
Literally, every year. 

[Green Ghost]

Corral or Pickett. We need a QB

Trade Zach to the Steelers.

[Obrien2Toon]

1 hour ago, derp said:

I know he's had some demons and I don't mean to give him a hard time, I just honestly don't get how when you're paid to do this stuff and only do like one mock draft every month you don't have some check in place to make sure you don't write something like what I was making fun of. Guys who do this as a hobby are more thoughtful.

The whole concept of mock drafts this early, fun as they are, is remarkably silly - so it's whatever. All the scheme fit, team pattern stuff tends to get ignored. There are a million reasonable iterations, but the contradiction got me.

Was it demons or Illness?

[derp]

24 minutes ago, Obrien2Toon said:

Was it demons or Illness?

I believe while on air doing college games he appeared visibly inebriated and took a break to deal with his health - so if that was the case l guess it depends on your perspective but I think possibly both demons and illness?

Also entirely possible it was actually just illness - don’t think anything has been confirmed. Those games were almost a year apart.

[slimjasi]

11 hours ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

Things I am concerned about:

Picking an impact player who moves the needle in the game.

Things I want to avoid:

Picking a player of need who plays well at times but never grows into his draft position. 

If we pick a safety who has the impact in a game like Ed Reed, or Troy Polamalu, I am not going to be mad. The idea that there are positions that you do not draft in the first round is flawed. You win at drafting when you select players who affect the outcome of the game. If that player is a safety, you draft them. This is not an endorsement of Hamilton, because all I know about him his name, his position, and how he is the top safety in the draft. 

I'd rather trade down a few spots and accumulate more premium picks. We are six impact players away from competing, not one or two. 

The argument is that the players who greatly "affect the outcome of the game" - as you put it -  are much more likely to play one of: QB, OT, WR, edge, or CB than safety. 

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

13 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

The argument is that the players who greatly "affect the outcome of the game" - as you put it -  are much more likely to play one of: QB, OT, WR, edge, or CB than safety. 

It wasn't a matter of what was more or less likely. It's a matter of picking the right player over picking a player of need. The right safety is better than the wrong (anything). I'll say it again, I am not advocating for drafting a safety. However, there are safeties who affect the outcome of a game without gaudy stats. Shutting down a top TE might not show up in the stat line, but it definitely affected the outcome of a game. 

[slimjasi]

2 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

It wasn't a matter of what was more or less likely. It's a matter of picking the right player over picking a player of need. The right safety is better than the wrong (anything). I'll say it again, I am not advocating for drafting a safety. However, there are safeties who affect the outcome of a game without gaudy stats. Shutting down a top TE might not show up in the stat line, but it definitely affected the outcome of a game. 

I'm not necessarily against picking a safety (and I happen to like Hamilton a lot). Game-changing safeties do exist, so your point is well taken. 

I'm more just playing Devil's advocate. I do think there is a very good argument to be made that you should generally stick with premium positions at the top of the draft, but there are exceptions. 

 

[Fantasy Island]

19 hours ago, THE BARON said:

he should be fired for his work to date.  worst GM in jets history.  

There were a lot who defended Mac until his last day here.

Sad....

[jgb]

15 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

I posted it earlier, but it's a combo of trading picks strategy (moving down/up) and a bunch of positions I could see.

But a 3rd year in a row drafting OL in the top half of round 1, when the team is sitting on a starting LT (and possibly two)? No. And center is ridiculous to draft that early. The line can use some improvement, but it isn't such a disaster that it is in need of a top 10 pick type influx. Greater overall team impact will come from using such a high pick on other position(s). 

And TE is just not enough of an impact nor expensive enough position to draft in the top half of round 1. Yeah there's the rarity like Pitts, but one of those doesn't come out every year and a TE that early usually is terrible value. It's opportunity cost: what you use it for on one position means you're bypassing using it on another.

The last thing I'd like to see is two supportive offense picks like TE and C -- two of the cheapest veteran starter positions in football no matter how great the player is. Meanwhile the defense is giving up 30 ppg and I'm unmoved by the cleverness of suggesting the team doesn't need excellent DBs in Ulbrich's cover 3. There are still times a corner is in man coverage and has to stick with his assignment on quick slants & such, or stay with someone deeper on EZ throws. Zone defense doesn't mean you don't still need to cover a person.

So without knowing where the draft value will be, or what the team will do in FA - two things that both impact what'll be done - I'd first off sooner take a safety over a center easily (though some are still understandably not over their Adams/Maye withdrawal). Also they need a serious LB. So... LB, CB, S are top needs and they're not tertiary-importance positions. Even though I'm not expecting  Douglas to look this way, given his veteran investments in the positions, elite WR and EDGE prospects are always welcome additions if they're as advertised. 

But first I'd like to see him trade down a little with one of his 1sts to add another 1st next season (assuming the opportunity's there). After that I'd also be ok - again depending how the draft unfolds - if they pair a 2+3 to move up into the 20s with pick #3. Maybe even move one of the 4ths for a 3rd next year, too. So for this year, quality over quantity; they did quantity last year and should be active in FA. Last thing this team needs is 10 more rookies again. Plus then he'd still be doubled up in rounds 1 & 3 in 2023 (not counting others from comp picks if we get any). 

Or did you want the long version?

I would be shocked if Jets don't double tap on defense in rd. 1.

[Sammybighead]

12 hours ago, HighPitch said:

Im usually NOT into trading down but this draft seems perfect to do so. We can slide a few spots like 10-15 and still get more or less an equal player, and pick up a third second which has a lot of good players

Disagree. This draft isn’t as talented as past couple years. It’s very top heavy, I don’t think at the end of the day there will be more than 15 guys with legit first round grades. 

Stay where you are and draft the good talent. If you can move down a couple spots and pick up a mid round pick, fine. Other than that, I wouldn’t go crazy.

[Rhg1084]

 

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

10 hours ago, slimjasi said:

I'm not necessarily against picking a safety (and I happen to like Hamilton a lot). Game-changing safeties do exist, so your point is well taken. 

I'm more just playing Devil's advocate. I do think there is a very good argument to be made that you should generally stick with premium positions at the top of the draft, but there are exceptions. 

 

So you're saying that we shouldn't draft fat defensive tackles in the top 6 again? I agree. Leonard Williams and Quinnen Williams are nice players, but damn, they are not premium players. 

[THE BARON]

3 hours ago, Fantasy Island said:

There were a lot who defended Mac until his last day here.

Sad....

And I expect to see the same with JD

[32EBoozer]

23 hours ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

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23 hours ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

I'd rather trade down a few spots and accumulate more premium picks. We are six impact players away from competing, not one or two. 

We need one of these draft class wins 3 years in a row. 
 

The Saints' 2017 draft class has performed admirably

• CB Marshon Lattimore (11th-overall pick) ... 
• T Ryan Ramczyk (32nd-overall pick) ... 
• S Marcus Williams (second-round pick) ... 
• RB Alvin Kamara (third-round pick) ... 
• Edge Trey Hendrickson (third-round pick)

Nov 5, 2021

[TuscanyTile2]

15 hours ago, HighPitch said:

my hope is the qb hype will go nuts, as always, and one or two go before we pick so that we get either hutchinson or thribeau whatever their names are

How about both?

[Sperm Edwards]

17 hours ago, Rhg1084 said:

I just don’t see any team giving up a 1 next year to move up to our spot. Unless one of these QBs stock really rises from now till draft say

Yeah it's what I'd like to see, but any plans for late April are still all in the abstract with 4 games left in the regular season 5 months beforehand.

It's way too early to chisel into stone any draft strategy before the season ends, before any heroics from individual bowls & the senior bowl, before the combine, before pro days, before weeks of free agency, before any pre-draft trades or trade opportunities, etc.

e.g. who had Zach Wilson as a 2021 #2 draft pick after week 12 in Dec 2020? Who had Sanchez as a 2009 #5 pick at the same time in 2008? Who had Flacco at any slot in round 1 (or round 2) in early Dec of 2007? Or Goff at #1?

QBs very often climb their way up, even in drafts that aren't projected as wow-level QB draft classes like 2021, 2018, 1999, etc.

[Jetsfan80]

5 hours ago, Fantasy Island said:

There were a lot who defended Mac until his last day here.

Sad....

@Pac still defends him.

[More Cowbell]

On 12/14/2021 at 11:46 AM, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

Things I am concerned about:

Picking an impact player who moves the needle in the game.

Things I want to avoid:

Picking a player of need who plays well at times but never grows into his draft position. 

If we pick a safety who has the impact in a game like Ed Reed, or Troy Polamalu, I am not going to be mad. The idea that there are positions that you do not draft in the first round is flawed. You win at drafting when you select players who affect the outcome of the game. If that player is a safety, you draft them. This is not an endorsement of Hamilton, because all I know about him his name, his position, and how he is the top safety in the draft. 

I'd rather trade down a few spots and accumulate more premium picks. We are six impact players away from competing, not one or two. 

Since this mock came out, I have been reading up on Hamilton  and there is not a lot of bad to read. The guy is literally a total package. Interceptions,  passes defensed, sideline to sideline speed, plays the run well, can even play DB in a pinch. This guy is not Adams. 

[HighPitch]

1 hour ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

How about both?

In a heartbeat

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

35 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

Since this mock came out, I have been reading up on Hamilton  and there is not a lot of bad to read. The guy is literally a total package. Interceptions,  passes defensed, sideline to sideline speed, plays the run well, can even play DB in a pinch. This guy is not Adams. 

We are in desperate need of a playmaker at safety. I am neutral on Hamilton because I only know about him from mocks. Safety isn't a premium position, but it is an important one. My draft philosophy has always been that hitting on the pick is more important than drafting premium positions.  I am not opposed to drafting a safety just because we missed on Jamal. Safety is not a premium position, but a good enough player can make it premium. 

[Jetsfan80]

4 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

We are in desperate need of a playmaker at safety. I am neutral on Hamilton because I only know about him from mocks. Safety isn't a premium position, but it is an important one. My draft philosophy has always been that hitting on the pick is more important than drafting premium positions.  I am not opposed to drafting a safety just because we missed on Jamal. Safety is not a premium position, but a good enough player can make it premium. 

Needing a Safety is one thing.  Drafting one in the 1st to fill that need is another thing entirely.

This is a defense predicated on pass rush, and that’s where the heavy resources will go.  If we draft a Safety (or 2), it’ll be no earlier than Round 3.  

Taking a Safety in the first to play in a Cover-3 scheme would be an enormous over-allocation of resources.  It’s not happening. 

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Needing a Safety is one thing.  Drafting one in the 1st to fill that need is another thing entirely.

This is a defense predicated on pass rush, and that’s where the heavy resources will go.  If we draft a Safety (or 2), it’ll be no earlier than Round 3.  

Taking a Safety in the first to play in a Cover-3 scheme would be an enormous over-allocation of resources.  It’s not happening. 

Who are you trying to convince? I am not advocating to draft Hamilton. 

[jgb]

5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Needing a Safety is one thing.  Drafting one in the 1st to fill that need is another thing entirely.

This is a defense predicated on pass rush, and that’s where the heavy resources will go.  If we draft a Safety (or 2), it’ll be no earlier than Round 3.  

Taking a Safety in the first to play in a Cover-3 scheme would be an enormous over-allocation of resources.  It’s not happening. 

Notice how no one is arguing for "BAP" even though Jets have holes everywhere?

BAP isn't a real strategy ever employed by an NFL GM. It only exists on messageboards and in press conferences after the fact, "We feel we took the best player available."

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

Who are you trying to convince? I am not advocating to draft Hamilton. 

McShay I guess.  And anyone who think the Jets will, or should, draft a DB in the first 2 rounds.

[sec101row23]

18 hours ago, Green Ghost said:

Corral or Pickett. We need a QB

Trade Zach to the Steelers.

I would love for Zach to have the toughness, grit and attitude that Matt Corral has.   

[Green Ghost]

Teams draft safeties in the first round all the time.

iF you can put personal feelings (and the Mahomes dream) about him aside, Jamal Adams was probably the best 1st round pick we’ve made in the last 10 years. 
We got Pro Bowl level play out of him, then when we didn’t want to pay him, we were able to flip him to the Seahawks for more equity then it took to take him in the first place.

A lot of you love to make up your mock drafts, or have preferences where we should allocate draft resources, but at the end of the day it all comes down to who the GM wants, and if you’re being honest, most of you will talk yourself into supporting whoever that is.

You can see it already, nobody here would’ve mocked Stingley and Hamilton, but people are already lining up to justify it. IMO if they are the two JD ends up taking I’m good with it. I’m far from his biggest supporter, but he’s the captain of the ship right now.

[Green Ghost]

9 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

I would love for Zach to have the toughness, grit and attitude that Matt Corral has.   

Couldn’t agree more.

Dont sell Pickett short either. Two of my buddies are Pitt fans who grew up in that area. We go back and forth about our teams (I’m a Cuse guy). I’ve watched Pickett play a lot the last few years, and each season he’s gotten better and better. He really impresses me.

I saw where McShay mocked him to the Steelers. My two friends would feel like they died and went to heaven if that happened.