Ashton Davis

[BurnleyJet]

1 hour ago, Maxman said:

Crazy thought of the day:  Offer Maye a one year fully guaranteed deal for 8mm.

He isn't getting a long term deal in free agency, he will still be rehabbing.  

He also isn’t an honest guy, and walking may be an issue, hard pass.

[#27TheDominator]

2 hours ago, Green Ghost said:

That’s the party line, I know, I know…

It sounds great, until someone mentions you’re trading a proven Pro Bowl level commodity because you don’t want to pay for it, for pie in the sky you’re hoping will be half as good.

They didn't trade "a proven Pro Bowl level commodity."  The traded 8 games of Leonard Williams from a team that was 1-6.  He was going to be a free agent and was demanding to get paid.  Check how much the Giants have paid him since he got there.

[slimjasi]

1 hour ago, Lith said:

And PFF has a very different view.  42nd out of 88 ranked safeties.  Solid coverage grade but an awful rush defense grade.

 Nobody knows anything. 

All statistics are wrong or misleading. 

The only eternal truth is that the Jets suck at football. 

[THE BARON]

2 hours ago, Beaver said:

There is bad and there is Ashton Davis bad.

 

 

I don't know how they calculate this stuff, but you always know someone is bad watching them, but to see stats like these......sheeesh

 

I want bonus points since this isn't another Wilson sucks thread.

 

Another brilliant move by JD.

For those making excuses for JD and the miserable job he as done on the roster and the CS.

You can't even begin to worry about fixing up the safety position when:

Your offensive line needs two more long term starters and depth as well

You have no edge rusher

You have no TE

All of your LB's are questionable

Your CB's are second string on most rosters

Your QB cant his his plate with a fork.

You don't have anything resembling a prime ball carrier. 

And you are worried about your safeties ???

 

[Prodigal Syndicate]

48 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

That’s the party line, I know, I know…

It sounds great, until someone mentions you’re trading a proven Pro Bowl level commodity because you don’t want to pay for it, for pie in the sky you’re hoping will be half as good.

Something tells me people wouldnt mind bringing up the player drafted if he was amazing 

[Cut Jet Penalty Makers]

I'm on record from draft day that this was another ghastly pick..a JD special...huge reach on this kid at that pick...poor tackler as well...leaves his feet too much..plays out of control. 

[Lith]

21 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

 Nobody knows anything. 

All statistics are wrong or misleading. 

The only eternal truth is that the Jets suck at football. 

I appreciate what sites like PFF and Pro Football Reference and others try to do -- but football does not lend itself to analytics the way other sports do.  Anayltics are supposed to be objective, but so much about football is subjective, especially when you don't know the assignments on a given play.  As vast as the internet is, if you want to bash a guy, you can find numbers to support bashing.  You want to prop up a guy, you can find numbers that support that as well.

 

 

[Anthony Jet]

1 hour ago, Green Ghost said:

That’s the party line, I know, I know…

It sounds great, until someone mentions you’re trading a proven Pro Bowl level commodity because you don’t want to pay for it, for pie in the sky you’re hoping will be half as good.

I get it and I don’t necessarily disagree with you, But the pie in the sky is a valuable asset in most front office in the NFL

Draft picks are hot commodities im the NFL, whether that’s the right way of thinking is a different story all together 

[#27TheDominator]

Personally, he hasn't seemed that bad to me.  He does seem to be noticeably good or bad in different games which strikes me as odd, but I haven't seen the horror some of you guys have seen.  That being said, zone safety probably requires watching the all-22 more than most positions, and I certainly have not seen any of that outside of internet snippets.

[#27TheDominator]

54 minutes ago, Prodigal Syndicate said:

Something tells me people wouldnt mind bringing up the player drafted if he was amazing 

That's true, but it is also a different deal.  You don't hear people bashing the Brandon Marshall trade.   We got him for a 5th.  Seems like a good deal, but the Bears got Adrian Amos with that pick and he has started over 100 games and got a pretty big contract from the Packers when his rookie deal was up.  

The fact is, they weren't going to tag Williams and he probably wasn't coming back, so anything they got was worthwhile since they were not making the playoffs even if they won out and were not getting comp picks with the team being buyers in FA.  Davis has been a 2 year starter at S.  

[Jet Nut]

2 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

He was going to be a free agent and was demanding to get paid.  Check how much the Giants have paid him since he got there.

And what did he give them in return?  One season, a contract driven season and back to underperforming and still providing nothing in the way of wins

We were going to let him walk.  Everyone knew this, getting what JD did for him was robbery 

[slimjasi]

1 hour ago, Lith said:

I appreciate what sites like PFF and Pro Football Reference and others try to do -- but football does not lend itself to analytics the way other sports do.  Anayltics are supposed to be objective, but so much about football is subjective, especially when you don't know the assignments on a given play.  As vast as the internet is, if you want to bash a guy, you can find numbers to support bashing.  You want to prop up a guy, you can find numbers that support that as well.

 

 

Such a good post.
 

Deserves to be stickied 

[#27TheDominator]

4 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Such a good post.
 

Deserves to be stickied 

Screw you!  I have statistics that prove that post is baloney!

[varjet]

This Jet defense needs good safeties.  They can continue to find late round gems at CB, but they need good, athletic safeties.

The second round is not actually a bad place to find very good safeties.  High first round, probably not.  I would not be surprised in the least if the Jets used a second round pick for a S.

When you could only realistically count on your 1st round and 2nd round picks to be starters, and the Jets need a WR1, TE, RG, Edge, LB (2) and S(2), that is really not a great situation. 

[BP]

6 hours ago, T0mShane said:

I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that the safeties who rank top ten in these metrics coincidentally play for teams with highly-rated pass rushes.

The Jets sent me an email asking me to enter to win season Tickets and a years full of free Dunkin’ Donuts . FYI legendary @T0mShane I entered your name. Outstanding post!

[rangerous]

7 hours ago, mrcoops said:

So bad that people can't even be bothered to spell his first name correctly.

Fast, can hit, but seems to have near zero football instincts.

yep.  he seems to take the wrong angle or is out of position to help deep.  these are things he can learn.

[Jetsfan80]

7 hours ago, GreenFish said:

People are still misspelling Robby Anderson's name. So, I'm not surprised.

And still adding an "h" to Becton's last name for some reason.  

[Jetsfan80]

9 hours ago, Green Ghost said:

Remember back when everyone here was saying we fleeced Gettleman and “won” the Leo trade?

The Giants are currently paying Leonard Williams $21M per year (just a little bit less than Aaron Donald) and we're not.  He's putting up fairly pedestrian numbers now that he's gotten paid and the Giants are in last place in their division, just like us.  

So, yeah, I'd say things didn't work out too well for Gettleman.  

[Green Ghost]

24 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

The Giants are currently paying Leonard Williams $21M per year (just a little bit less than Aaron Donald) and we're not.  He's putting up fairly pedestrian numbers now that he's gotten paid and the Giants are in last place in their division, just like us.  

So, yeah, I'd say things didn't work out too well for Gettleman.  

Leo is the best player on the Giants, and would still be the best player on the Jets.

You take his age, position, durability and accomplishments and put him on the open market, you have a 21m per year player.
If you want to dump the best player (and every other good player) on your team when it comes time to pay him, you’ll get what the Jets have given you.

Lots of draft picks, a bunch of swings and misses and an expansion level roster.

It’s really easy to tear a roster apart. The thing that’s hard to do is building a good one, because you need… good players.

 

[kevinc855]

Wheres all my posters telling me "hes been coming around"

[Barton]

So far he's just an athlete, not a football player. 

Wasnt a ballhawk in college either.

I smell a JD trade for a conditional 5th rd pick. 

[Matt39]

2020 draft was worse than Idziks

[Bronx]

18 hours ago, Beerfish said:

A few years after using a 1s and 2nd rounder on safeties (and by-passing gobs of great talent) here we are again.

We need to draft two safeties (and sign a vet fa) but for the love of god not in the top two rounds.

2021, Rounds 1-4 were spent on offense, so let's hope that this pattern continues or at least on premium picks on day one.

 

[BCJet]

17 hours ago, THE BARON said:

Another brilliant move by JD.

For those making excuses for JD and the miserable job he as done on the roster and the CS.

You can't even begin to worry about fixing up the safety position when:

Your offensive line needs two more long term starters and depth as well

You have no edge rusher

You have no TE

All of your LB's are questionable

Your CB's are second string on most rosters

Your QB cant his his plate with a fork.

You don't have anything resembling a prime ball carrier. 

And you are worried aboutSyour safeties ???

 

So what should JD do, pick 20 guys in a draft when he has 8 picks?  Fill all 22 spots?

[varjet]

Part of the Dolphins recent success is due to the play of Jaylon Waddle WR-Rd 1A,  Philips Edge-rd1b and Javon Holland Safety-rd2.  If the Jets can find players like that they will be in better shape next year.   Their OL stinks. 

[Dunnie]

Absolutely no problem with that. It would be a good move for Maye, and for the Jets.
Pre-condition: he has to fire his useless, unprofessional bigmouth agent to get the deal.

Does he speak Brittish ?

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[THE BARON]

2 hours ago, BCJet said:

So what should JD do, pick 20 guys in a draft when he has 8 picks?  Fill all 22 spots?

Not what he should do.  More like what he should have been doing.   The league has provisions for a poor team to become very good very quickly.  A franchise with a good GM at the helm can go from worst to first in a matter of two seasons.  The Jets GM has taken the organization from bad to bad.  There is NO sign of any improvement.  Other than two or three positions, the Jets have a practice squad roster.  That is inexcusable.  The CS that the GM has lined up also looks lost.  

I'd be in line with the fans that are calling for "more time", but the way it is now... THE FACTS... Well, more time will only yield the same mess.  

Any decent GM would have a good portion of the roster in line by now.  

[TheClashFan]

Just from watching the games, it has looked to me like Davis struggles in coverage.  He's seemingly been late or soft on lots of coverage, but like Lith says, we don't know his assignments, so real hard to judge him there.

Giving him a low run defense grade is very suspicious. He's definitely had a few bad whiffs on tackling WRs downfield, but hard to really trash all the DB's for run D when the defensive line is getting absolutely blown away much of the time.

 

[PepPep]

22 hours ago, PS17 said:

It’s stupid name tbh

Great addition. Guy can't spell. Yeah, the word is the problem. 

[varjet]

9 hours ago, TheClashFan said:

Just from watching the games, it has looked to me like Davis struggles in coverage.  He's seemingly been late or soft on lots of coverage, but like Lith says, we don't know his assignments, so real hard to judge him there.

Giving him a low run defense grade is very suspicious. He's definitely had a few bad whiffs on tackling WRs downfield, but hard to really trash all the DB's for run D when the defensive line is getting absolutely blown away much of the time.

 

it all makes sense really.  AD was a silly pick.  Guys like Javon Holland, Marcus Maye and Marcus Williams, among others, go in the second round.  Those are safeties that used to be first round talents. JD took AD in the third round (he was projected late second) but he should have been looking for RB, TE, OL and LB that are supposed to go in the third round. 

[Maynard13]

On 12/16/2021 at 1:07 PM, Beerfish said:

A few years after using a 1s and 2nd rounder on safeties (and by-passing gobs of great talent) here we are again.

We need to draft two safeties (and sign a vet fa) but for the love of god not in the top two rounds.

There are actually some good safeties to be had in round 2 - NorthWestern kid Brandon and Battle. And 3-4 more good ones in round 3. I’d be ok with grabbing one in round 2 if we could trade back one of our first rounders and pick up an extra 2nd rounder.

[Matt39]

So bad. 

[Wayne80]

He’s an even better Jimmy Leonhard

[BP]

 

[Irish Jet]

There was a play Tua threw to the endzone yesterday and Davis went out of his way to run behind the TE he was covering. He ran to the one place where he couldn't make a play. It was bizarre. Thankfully there was a CB there too and Tua blows.