Do Jets have the right people in charge?

[Peace Frog]

7 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

If Becton is secretly at Atlantic Health Facility working out like a madman, rehabbing, getting stronger, getting counseling on nutrition and comes back next year at 345lbs, faster and stronger, nobody will care.

 

I hope that's what he's doing. So much potential and natural ability. Be a shame for him to waste it. 

He’s likely not doing all that but we don’t know. Speculating he’s a big fat slob that’s checked out is also something we don’t know. 

I don’t think he’s ever going to be 345 but that doesn’t mean he can’t be a dominant tackle. 

Left OR right. 

[Peace Frog]

3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Who is “Curry” again?

Dahl

[Jet_Engine1]

8 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

No. Kotite has not been a disaster. 

Vechiarella has been a bit suspect, but he is also missing Byrd, Clifton, Jones . I don't know how much more Carroll could have done with this defensive group. I'll give you that he likely would have squeezed out a bit more from this group, but not much more. 

No. Kotite did not manage to make us question if Peter Carroll deserved to be fired. 

No. Tom Coughlin, Don Capers, or Bill Bellichick would have not been better choices. 

No. They didn't even figuratively pair an inferior Bruce Coslett with an inferior Boomer Esiason. 

? 

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

10 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Who is “Curry” again?

Most three points made in NBA history. 

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

11 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

@Jet_Engine1 The Jets lost Blake Cashman so they were helpless against future Hall of Famer Duke Johnson. Hope this helps.

Yeah, because I only mentioned Blake Cashman and not the other players. Hope this helps. 

[Jet_Engine1]

Just now, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

Most three points made in NBA history. 

No, Mike Curry. He was the most despised Battalion Chief in the 125 year history of WPBFD

[Coffee Is Great]

No one can say for certain at this point but I remain confident that JD is the answer at GM. He has a multi-year plan, sees the big picture, is fantastic when it comes to trades, targets team needs in the draft, and understands the most important positions.

On Saleh, I have no idea yet.

The quarterback position is key to all of this, obviously. Our offense was electric in short periods under Mike White and Josh Johnson. The offense may not be far away, I fear that Wilson is that bad. The FA market for vet QBs doesn't look good (does it ever?) and we aren't giving up Wilson after a year so don't hold your breath if you're expecting Wilson to get yanked a month into his sophomore season. 

JD has drafted our best,..

• OL in 15 years (AVT)
• WR in 20+ years (Moore)
• RB in 10+ years (Carter)

Sleeper CBs in Hall and Carter II.

JD's top FA signing at a huge position of need blew out his Achilles. What are you going to do?

Becton's fate is paramount. He cannot be a bust. The 2020 draft is a disaster if Becton can't stay on the field. If he stays healthy, he's a starting LT for a decade. He may not be a Pro Bowler but he can be a cornerstone for a long time. The Mims situation bothers me but we'll never know what happened behind closed doors. This has proven to be a team that gives young guys opportunities and Mims can't get out of his own way. He did not impress me during his rookie year either; it would have been nice to have Chase Claypool (though he is a gigantic meathead/idiot) than Mims & Davis.  

The upcoming draft is pivotal: is it another 2020 or another 2021? If JD hits on the two top-ten picks we'll have then, man, we will have one heck of a foundation. Still, the cloud looming over all of this is the QB. I have faith that JD will figure it out.

[TuscanyTile2]

Year 1 of the complete rebuild starts next year. 

[Jetscode1]

JD needs to stack draft classes.  He does that, we win.  He does not, we struggle.

[RevisIsland610]

I'm still on the fence about JD. He has done some good some bad. I can't think of 1 good thing that Saleh has done. Not one. His team is every bit as bad as the team coached by Gase and his defense is hands down the worst in the NFL. He's a trash coach. 

[jgb]

1 hour ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Year 1 of the complete rebuild starts next year. 

This rebuild is like a donut on the end of a fishing pole attached to your back. No matter how fast you run, you never get the donut.

[jgb]

4 hours ago, Peace Frog said:

You’re really good at that. 

I’m more about reason and logic rather than emotion when it comes to what’s going on in an absolute stranger’s mind or heart. 

You haven't been shy telling us what our true motivations are for posting stats of the QB.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

In a word, no

The Jamal and Sammy trades were nice

But Joe blew the biggest decision of all by not trading out of the #2 spot in April

Zach  Hackenberg looks like a bust

 

[jgb]

6 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

In a word, no

The Jamal and Sammy trades were nice

But Joe blew the biggest decision of all by not trading out of the #2 spot in April

Zach Hackenberg looks like a bust

 

[Peace Frog]

Oooohhh the passive aggressiveness is oozing out. No unexpected. 

[Jet Nut]

3 hours ago, Warfish said:

I was not responding to the article. 

Nor was I responding to you.

That would be a good start.

Gase was the acting GM at the time JD was hired, was involved in the firing of the previous GM, and was, I believe, involved in the interviewing of JD. Given the power vested in Gase at that time I have no doubt Gase was involved in his hire.

Gase was never the acting GM, he was credited with closing a deal Macc had already made.  He wasnt part of the interview process, as I said he vouched for him and gave his approval based on working years before with JD in Chicago.  Gase was the HC, he had no power in the org.

[jgb]

6 hours ago, kevinc855 said:

Easily The most annoying phrase about this rebuild no one has clearly articulated to me. The only semi couerent argument I have heard is not giving big contracts out. However he has 

Carl Lawson and 

Corey Davis 

Thats a lot of money. Fair or not, injury or not, how much have those two contributed to making this team better? 
 

So can someone please explain the “Right way” again

Especially since JD's plan is the same as every GM's plan: draft well and don't sign dumb contracts.

No GM ever got fired for drafting too well. Its 90% of the GM's job. Being a good trader a nice cherry on top. Even the cap is managed by a specialist. If he trades well, he stays. If not, he doesn't. Plan, schman.

[Warfish]

5 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Gase was never the acting GM

I’m not going to argue a point of demonstrable, verifiable fact with you.

[southparkcpa]

8 hours ago, RevisIsland610 said:

I'm still on the fence about JD. He has done some good some bad. I can't think of 1 good thing that Saleh has done. Not one. His team is every bit as bad as the team coached by Gase and his defense is hands down the worst in the NFL. He's a trash coach. 

Agreed… JD has not shown he is that special.   The GM from Buffalo, UNC Wilmingtons own Brandon Beane is more like what we need.  @Jetsfan80 young, not perfect, but well trained in over 20 years of football.   Surrounds his QB with talent, put a good D on the field. 

[Barton]

Saleh doesnt seem like the smartest head coach. More of a cheerleader than X's and O's. 

[Matt39]

12 hours ago, Peace Frog said:

 

I’m more about reason and logic rather than emotion when it comes to what’s going on in an absolute stranger’s mind or heart. 

Hats off

[The Crusher]

12 hours ago, doitny said:

i have to disagree with this. i dont see any benefit of him sitting the year. and if your talking about competition remember he was really good in preseason. he would have beat out anyone we brought in.

how good can he see from the sideline? is it better than under center? 

sorry i just dont see it. i think he learned more yesterday about Miami and its blitz then he did watching Flacco play them the 1st time.

 

Ok, but he sat out with his injury and Mike White, other guy who’s gone now and Joe Flacco showed that the offense can actually function  correctly. Zach came back in and started hitting some of the easy ones and has now had two games without an interception. Kid should have sat and  learned  this season and if you can’t see that you might need glasses. 

[Biggs]

14 hours ago, Sonny Werblin said:

My point is even if Becton is dogging it, that is hardly evidence that is occurring teamwide.

Let me give you an example of a team dogging it.  Last week Miami came out flat as a pancake.  They were set up for it after a long winning streak and watching tape all week of the NY Jets.  A classic trap game and a division rival.  As soon as Miami showed any signs of life the Jets literally went into full fetal position.  The only thing that kept that game from being a 10 plus point victory was Tua's inexperience.  Even after the pick 6 what did we do.  We let them march down the field from their own 25 in 9 plays to take the lead.   Of course our O put up a donut in the second half and we had just over 25 minutes of possession.  

The lack of tackling on D.  The lack of execution on O, much of it the fault of a lack of attention having nothing to do with Zach Wilson on O was on full display against a Miami team that didn't wake up until the second quarter.  As soon as Miami showed signs of a pulse the Jets team on both sides of the ball literally lied down in traffic.  

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

I’m not going to argue a point of demonstrable, verifiable fact with you.

That's fine with me

[Jet Nut]

41 minutes ago, Barton said:

Saleh doesnt seem like the smartest head coach. More of a cheerleader than X's and O's. 

And you get this how exactly?  If a play doesnt work it because hes dumb? 

 

[JustInFudge]

I have not read the comments, just the article, so I'll be curious if anyone points out the same people commenting in this article on the state of the New York Jets past/current/future, are the same exact people who voted Mike Mccaggnan the NFL Executive of the Year in 2015.

[Jet Nut]

5 minutes ago, Biggs said:

Let me give you an example of a team dogging it.  Last week Miami came out flat as a pancake.  They were set up for it after a long winning streak and watching tape all week of the NY Jets.  A classic trap game and a division rival.  As soon as Miami showed any signs of life the Jets literally went into full fetal position.  The only thing that kept that game from being a 10 plus point victory was Tua's inexperience.  Even after the pick 6 what did we do.  We let them march down the field from their own 25 in 9 plays to take the lead.   Of course our O put up a donut in the second half and we had just over 25 minutes of possession.  

The lack of tackling on D.  The lack of execution on O, much of it the fault of a lack of attention having nothing to do with Zach Wilson on O was on full display against a Miami team that didn't wake up until the second quarter.  As soon as Miami showed signs of a pulse the Jets team on both sides of the ball literally lied down in traffic.  

The only thing that kept the game close, hell that allowed the Jets to lead for most of the game is that Miami isnt that good.  Yeah, they've won 6 straight but who have they beat that playing the Jets is all that much of a trap game?  They beat a 2 win team, two 3 win teams, not a team over .500.  

[More Cowbell]

16 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Instead of playing the angry man maybe you should take the time to read, no one has said we need to stick with a GM who puts together 5 consecutive losing seasons.  

 

Actually the article suggested it might take more than5 years to get to the point where you start to see results.

JD is obviously  trying to build through the draft and only draft. He has turned the Jets into an expansion team without the FA's and draft picks they would get. Never saw it done like this so don't know if it will work but the early results are not promising. 

[Jet Nut]

13 hours ago, kevinc855 said:

Easily The most annoying phrase about this rebuild no one has clearly articulated to me. The only semi couerent argument I have heard is not giving big contracts out. However he has 

Carl Lawson and 

Corey Davis 

Thats a lot of money. Fair or not, injury or not, how much have those two contributed to making this team better? 
 

So can someone please explain the “Right way” again

Theyre injured.  When they were on the field in camp and for Davis they were as advertised and worth the money.  They were injured, it happens.  Sorry you cant turn a knee injury into a warning that Lawson would snap an Achilles.  There was nothing wrong with either signing.

 

[More Cowbell]

16 hours ago, Sonny Werblin said:

I'm confused by those that both think the franchise has been a dumpster fire with bad, or no leadership, for a decade, but who also think that the new administration should be fired if they don't turn things around in 2 seasons. The logic is truly baffling. It takes 53 players to create a winning team. As we've seen, a crappy starting RG can destroy an entire offense, and injuries to starters require that starting quality backups are waiting in the wings to seize their opportunity. You cannot remake a 53 man roster and secure a team's long term future through free agency. The really good franchises draft their players and only use free agency to fill a need they've had no luck filling through the draft.  As Hobson told Linda in Arthur (the original, I didn't see the remake), "Young woman this is a tie you cannot steal, this is a tie you will have to earn." If the Jets want to be a model winning franchise, they will have to earn it by building methodically through the draft and not being distracted by shiny objects and promises of quick fixes.

It's  a balance of adding impact FA. The Bills became an offensive  standout when they added Diggs. I doubt that team is as good as they are without him. If JD does not get the Jets a real #1 receiver (no, I do not believe Moore is a #1) he won't  be helping the team as much as it needs it imo

[Jet Nut]

15 hours ago, Matt39 said:

Just less tolerance for injuries that guys can play through. Will be unpopular in this day and age but it's crucial for winning football. Guys have to play. The Becton situation would have never happened under Parcells. He'd either be sent home or he'd be playing. 

Solid tackling is a pillar for winning football. You have to practice it. You have to maximize the practices you have in pads in camp with the new CBA rules. The Jets were having 2 hour practices or less. That's insane. The Jets seem to take everything easy. There was just a lack of intensity from the get go. Hell they pulled everyone out of the Eagles preseason game because it was raining. For such a young team that was unbelievable. 

The Jets practiced to the max allowed by the CBA.  You keep insisting they didnt practice hard.  No one else has reported this and you didnt go to a single practice.  But you keep making this claim.  

Live tackling is gone in todays NFL camp.  Bart Scott was talking about it the other day.  You can practice on tackling dummies all you want but the dummies dont try to avoid the tackles like real humans and you see it across the league.  Guys dont tackle like they should because theyre not allowed to practice tackling and with the Jets a lack of talent has a lot to do with it.  

And parcels wasnt going to get Becton and his patella injury playing thats ludicrous.

T

[Jet Nut]

18 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

Actually the article suggested it might take more than5 years to get to the point where you start to see results.

JD is obviously  trying to build through the draft and only draft. He has turned the Jets into an expansion team without the FA's and draft picks they would get. Never saw it done like this so don't know if it will work but the early results are not promising. 

I think, hope, the plan is to get the kids to the point they are competent starters and those who dont to the level of competent backups adding depth to the roster.  This will coencide with the development of the QB.  At that point if all goes as planned you go into FA looking to sign players that put you over the top.  Theres no need to sign many top players in FA now, wont have the impact as it would in a couple of years  

[More Cowbell]

3 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

I think, hope, the plan is to get the kids to the point they are competent starters and those who dont to the level of competent backups adding depth to the roster.  This will coencide with the development of the QB.  At that point if all goes as planned you go into FA looking to sign players that put you over the top.  Theres no need to sign many top players in FA now, wont have the impact as it would in a couple of years  

You are literally  hoping the Jets hit on every pick. That isn't  going to happen. After round 3 or even 4 if the draft is particularly  deep like last season, you are looking at project type players that you hope stick. Next season imo is the season JD needs to test the FA pool. You need a mix or you can't  make the leap to respectable.  

[Jet Nut]

2 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

You are literally  hoping the Jets hit on every pick. That isn't  going to happen. After round 3 or even 4 if the draft is particularly  deep like last season, you are looking at project type players that you hope stick. Next season imo is the season JD needs to test the FA pool. You need a mix or you can't  make the leap to respectable.  

No im not.  Not even close.  I said that if a player they draft doesnt develop into a starter they can become part of the depth every team needs.  They draft like they did this past season and we should be more than happy

[Matt39]

18 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

The Jets practiced to the max allowed by the CBA.  You keep insisting they didnt practice hard.  No one else has reported this and you didnt go to a single practice.  But you keep making this claim.  

Live tackling is gone in todays NFL camp.  Bart Scott was talking about it the other day.  You can practice on tackling dummies all you want but the dummies dont try to avoid the tackles like real humans and you see it across the league.  Guys dont tackle like they should because theyre not allowed to practice tackling and with the Jets a lack of talent has a lot to do with it.  

And parcels wasnt going to get Becton and his patella injury playing thats ludicrous.

T

The practice intensity level is obvious in the games. This is a team that doesnt tackle well. That's all repetition and practice. Watch how the Patriots tackle. Literally every minute detail in football practice matters. Jets fans seem to think nothing matters, but tackling, intense practices, etc all culminate in a competitive winning team. Jets training camp practices ran 2 hours max. Just insane. The Jets arent bad because of bad luck. The Patriots arent good because of good luck. The excuse making is obnoxious at this point.