to the fans that preach "patience"

[kmnj]

I have read over and over again since Joe got here (actually with the two clowns before )that fans need to be patient and "there is a plan" and we are "building through the draft" and it will take a few years.

my question to those that keep  preaching patience ( you know who you are)  do you have season tickets and if so for how many years (if you are willing to answer that)

I personally walked away from my paid psls.  I had over 300 home and road games in attendance. I ran out of patience and left for other reasons as well. 

I get having hope and wanting to support your team but when people are spending thousands of dollars every year to ask them to be patient is a big ask these days and to expect them to not be critical when the team is stuck in the basement of the league year in and year out is also a big ask

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Warfish]

?

[Seibelt]

If I still lived in Jersey, I would not pay $1 to see the Jets in person, nor have I purchased any products of any sort with a Jet logo on it in many years.

I have and always will be a Jets fan and will watch them every week.

What is the cost? 

AGITA

[RedBeardedSavage]

I think it's a good idea to walk away from PSLs and purchasing anything team related.

This season has sucked and none of us care for excuses. It's been ten years of suckage. 

Year 1 of the Douglas - Saleh - Wilson triumvirate has been nothing short of a disaster. 

They're going to get another year, regardless. So I guess it's not patience that I'd preach, it's acceptance that we're not cleaning house this offseason. And I don't think most here are asking anyone to be excited about that. 

[Copernicus]

17 minutes ago, kmnj said:

I have read over and over again since Joe got here (actually with the two clowns before )that fans need to be patient and "there is a plan" and we are "building through the draft" and it will take a few years.

my question to those that keep  preaching patience ( you know who you are)  do you have season tickets and if so for how many years (if you are willing to answer that)

I personally walked away from my paid psls.  I had over 300 home and road games in attendance. I ran out of patience and left for other reasons as well. 

I get having hope and wanting to support your team but when people are spending thousands of dollars every year to ask them to be patient is a big ask these days and to expect them to not be critical when the team is stuck in the basement of the league year in and year out is also a big ask

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is this a thread for only season ticket holders who have patience or all fans who have patience? I have patience but I do not have season tickets (and never did but have gone to games periodically in the past). I would have less patience if I had season tickets. I think there is a difference. 

 

[JustInFudge]

 

I dont even watch the games.

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

My patience ends at 00:00 week 17. 

On paper you couldn't ask for a better situation than having all of these draft picks and cap space with a 2nd year Qb who has a high ceiling.

 I am hopeful, not optimistic. I'm being realistic. 

[Copernicus]

16 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

I think it's a good idea to walk away from PSLs and purchasing anything team related.

This season has sucked and none of us care for excuses. It's been ten years of suckage. 

Year 1 of the Douglas - Saleh - Wilson triumvirate has been nothing short of a disaster. 

They're going to get another year, regardless. So I guess it's not patience that I'd preach, it's acceptance that we're not cleaning house this offseason. And I don't think most here are asking anyone to be excited about that. 

Just curious, what did you expect? All teams who are slightly out of their rebuilds and have success went through awful seasons before they seemingly became competitive. How many years for Cleveland? SF? Buffalo? Saints? If you compare SF, ( staff where Saleh came from), Shanahan's record was dreadful years 1 and 2. And then things turned around. Of course I want more wins, it just doesnt seem to happen this way

Our rookie QB has struggled like all the rookie Qbs. But our Qb won rookie of the week twice. Say what you want but the others didnt. Last 6 games Zach's INTs have dramatically decreased, he looks more confident, better decision making, and his ability to make a play unscripted, scrambling and eluding sacks is way above average. He has improved at the starts of games, and has had multiple scoring drives in the first half over the last several games. Sunday he caught Miami napping on defense 2-3 times with sneaks and drawing a penalty. Michael Carter, AVT, and Alijah Moore have all improved since the start of the season. Our CBs have out played their draft positions and we may have even found a kicker. Many fans wanted La Fluer fired after games 1-5. How's that looking now? 

On a side note, our HC didnt try to fire himself, grope a girl half his age, and blame everyone else but himself.

Disastrous? I would call the situations of the Giants, Bears , Jaguars, Seattle, and Texans more disastrous before us

I just dont see how this season is disastrous

 

[Jetfuel66]

I totally understand not wanting to incur the cost for your psl's and tickets. I was a season ticket holder from 1980 until i moved to Florida in 1988. I still see the Jets in person as often as I am able.

With that said.... I don't understand what the constant complaining and negativity accomplishes. This organization finally decided to tear the structure down to the foundation. They are rebuilding everything including the medical and conditioning staff as well as the scouting department. They have chosen to implement a brand new offensive and defensive scheme and clearly lack the talent at this point to run them effectively. 

They also chose to take a shot on a very talented but young QB from a smaller school who really should be a senior right now.

What happened under past regimes and with different teams has no bearing on now. Its not JD's fault that the Jets have been a backwards organization for the last 10 years. What matters is that he does seem to have a logical plan. I like the coach and the direction this team is going. I like that JD considers the O line important to the basic success of a team. I love his trades and I am happy that he is not overpaying on JAG free agents. I see that we lack talent but I am confident that we will address those needs.

I see a brighter future and yes I know its been a while. But I feel that this regime deserves some support and some time to implement their program. I have been a fan since 1974 BTW, so I have seen it all with this team.

This time I truly believe we are heading in the right direction. Does that mean that there wont be some missteps along the way? It would be foolish to think that. But we can support this team without the incessant complaining and ridiculous demands for people to be fired at every turn.

That attitude just perpetuates the cycle of losing. My suggestion would be to try and find a way to be supportive. And when things turn for the better you can feel good about giving your support to the team when a lot of fans took the easy way out and just spewed negativity.

[BurntDice]

What does being smart enough to not get scammed out of thousands of dollars have to do with seeing the big picture and having patience with the team? No one forced you to fall for one of the biggest scams in recent years with PSLs. I understand people are upset that they spent enough that would be their child’s college fund on PSLs if invested instead. MetLife sucks anyways 

 

Go to a game a year of you want and watch the rest on tv (which is a better way to watch it anyway). The nfl has turned into a game that is much better watch on tv with all the commercial breaks and camera views and not getting charged $13 for a beer.  I started going to a game a year in different stadiums and it’s been a much better time. I’m going to GB next year and I’m really excited because I heard it’s a great time and the fans are very welcoming. 

[Copernicus]

1 minute ago, Jetfuel66 said:

I totally understand not wanting to incur the cost for your psl's and tickets. I was a season ticket holder from 1980 until i moved to Florida in 1988. I still see the Jets in person as often as I am able.

With that said.... I don't understand what the constant complaining and negativity accomplishes. This organization finally decided to tear the structure down to the foundation. They are rebuilding everything including the medical and conditioning staff as well as the scouting department. They have chosen to implement a brand new offensive and defensive scheme and clearly lack the talent at this point to run them effectively. 

They also chose to take a shot on a very talented but young QB from a smaller school who really should be a senior right now.

What happened under past regimes and with different teams has no bearing on now. Its not JD's fault that the Jets have been a backwards organization for the last 10 years. What matters is that he does seem to have a logical plan. I like the coach and the direction this team is going. I like that JD considers the O line important to the basic success of a team. I love his trades and I am happy that he is not overpaying on JAG free agents. I see that we lack talent but I am confident that we will address those needs.

I see a brighter future and yes I know its been a while. But I feel that this regime deserves some support and some time to implement their program. I have been a fan since 1974 BTW, so I have seen it all with this team.

This time I truly believe we are heading in the right direction. Does that mean that there wont be some missteps along the way? It would be foolish to think that. But we can support this team without the incessant complaining and ridiculous demands for people to be fired at every turn.

That attitude just perpetuates the cycle of losing. My suggestion would be to try and find a way to be supportive. And when things turn for the better you can feel good about giving your support to the team when a lot of fans took the easy way out and just spewed negativity.

You are making way too much sense. It is much more important to lose your mind like Bart Scott and others about how Zach Wilson wouldnt answer a beat writers question.

In all seriousness, this is an excellent post, totally agree

[Jetfuel66]

15 minutes ago, Copernicus said:

Just curious, what did you expect? All teams who are slightly out of their rebuilds and have success went through awful seasons before they seemingly became competitive. How many years for Cleveland? SF? Buffalo? Saints? If you compare SF, ( staff where Saleh came from), Shanahan's record was dreadful years 1 and 2. And then things turned around. Of course I want more wins, it just doesnt seem to happen this way

Our rookie QB has struggled like all the rookie Qbs. But our Qb won rookie of the week twice. Say what you want but the others didnt. Last 6 games Zach's INTs have dramatically decreased, he looks more confident, better decision making, and his ability to make a play unscripted, scrambling and eluding sacks is way above average. He has improved at the starts of games, and has had multiple scoring drives in the first half over the last several games. Sunday he caught Miami napping on defense 2-3 times with sneaks and drawing a penalty. Michael Carter, AVT, and Alijah Moore have all improved since the start of the season. Our CBs have out played their draft positions and we may have even found a kicker. Many fans wanted La Fluer fired after games 1-5. How's that looking now? 

On a side note, our HC didnt try to fire himself, grope a girl half his age, and blame everyone else but himself.

Disastrous? I would call the situations of the Giants, Bears , Jaguars, Seattle, and Texans more disastrous before us

I just dont see how this season is disastrous

 

I see this the same way also. Great post!

[Bronx]

54 minutes ago, kmnj said:

I have read over and over again since Joe got that fans need to be patient

TYJDTY

@Joe W. Namath

 

[The Crusher]

32 minutes ago, JiFapono said:

 

I dont even watch the games.

I carry around my phone with the Sunday ticket app in my pocket with one ear bug in as I do other things. Haha 

[RedBeardedSavage]

9 minutes ago, Copernicus said:

Just curious, what did you expect? All teams who are slightly out of their rebuilds and have success went through awful seasons before they seemingly became competitive. How many years for Cleveland? SF? Buffalo? Saints? If you compare SF, ( staff where Saleh came from), Shanahan's record was dreadful years 1 and 2. And then things turned around. Of course I want more wins, it just doesnt seem to happen this way

Our rookie QB has struggled like all the rookie Qbs. But our Qb won rookie of the week twice. Say what you want but the others didnt. Last 6 games Zach's INTs have dramatically decreased, he looks more confident, better decision making, and his ability to make a play unscripted, scrambling and eluding sacks is way above average. He has improved at the starts of games, and has had multiple scoring drives in the first half over the last several games. Sunday he caught Miami napping on defense 2-3 times with sneaks and drawing a penalty. Michael Carter, AVT, and Alijah Moore have all improved since the start of the season. Our CBs have out played their draft positions and we may have even found a kicker. Many fans wanted La Fluer fired after games 1-5. How's that looking now? 

On a side note, our HC didnt try to fire himself, grope a girl half his age, and blame everyone else but himself.

Disastrous? I would call the situations of the Giants, Bears , Jaguars, Seattle, and Texans more disastrous before us

I just dont see how this season is disastrous

 

If you're asking if I think Douglas/Saleh/Wilson can turn it around - I do.

I can't honestly say I expect it at this point, though. I thought we'd look a lot better on Sundays this year - regardless of overall record. We just don't appear to be that competitive on either side of the ball.

And the lessons of the "Darnold development", i.e. how best to ruin a young prospect, having seemingly not been learned. We're still an offense with a weak offensive line that routinely loses 1 on 1 matchups, cannot deliver big plays and does not appear schematically sound, much less creative.

I understand the being patient with year 1 everything, but why not start a veteran then? We could've rented Minshew for a year for a low round pick and sent him out there for this season, or at least half of it, while letting Wilson learn and not shatter this kids confidence.

And then defense - certainly unlucky with the Lawson injury - but we seemingly do nothing well. We get run on. We don't get consistent pressure. Our LB'ers cannot cover. The young corners have played surprisingly solid, but what does it matter if you're giving up five yards every rush and giving the quarterback four seconds every dropback?

Outside of the complete question mark that is Wilson's future, I'll grant JD the 2021 draft class looks good. The 2020 class? Who knows with Becton? Mims is a bust. Davis is meh. Bryce Hall is good. The Punter is a Punter. 

How about free agents? I like Corey Davis, but he's been inconsistent and cannot be relied upon at this point. Fant was an inspired signing, a lot of credit to JD for that. J Davis sucks. McGovern should be playing guard and is a liability at center calling protections. GVR is a bust. Keelan Cole barely contributes. Rankins is a bust. 

All of our high-risk moves seem like misses from where we stand right now - Becton, Wilson, signing Corey Davis, signing Carl Lawson, pairing a first time HC with a first time OC.

Do I think this regime with this quarterback is completely incapable of bouncing back? No, I don't think that. But I am skeptical at this point.

From my point of view, we're not just counting on 'another year into the rebuild will yield better results', I think we'll need luck and some statistical outlier type of year 2 improvements across the board. 

[Peace Frog]

In order for you to reap the rewards of Investment Gold you need patience and to HODL. 

[kevinc855]

To be honest the worst Jet fan is the guy who chastises out loyal Jet fans for “not being patient” for the last decade 

[HawkeyeJet]

No.  Long drive.

Any other brain busters?

[UntouchableCrew]

I get it. I think any fan who has suffered through 6 consecutive losing seasons "gets it."

But you also have to remember -- the GM has been here for two offseasons and the HC is finishing up his first season. They haven't been here for six years -- or 45 or however many since SB III -- they're just getting started.

What's the answer? Fire them? So the next guys start the clock anew?

It is what it is. The Johnson bros are geeks who have run this thing into the ground and we need to hope the current regime is up to the task of fixing it.

[Prodigal Syndicate]

Would idzik or macc suddenly have gotten better with more time? How about sanchez, geno, or darnold?

Have we regretted not letting them have more time?

We already know where this Douglas/saleh/wilson train is going. We arent going to learn anything more.

 

 

[Jetscode1]

Some excellent commentary in this thread.  FTR, I am not a STH nor ever was.  Moved away from the tri-state area many decades ago.  Still follow loyally on the Sunday ticket and have gone to a couple of road games.  Obviously, I haven't invested as much cash or watched in person as much as others.  As far as the patience question, all of us who continue to cheer for this team are a little jaded.  I just do not see another way forward than taking the long road and building through the draft.  The last decade we've seen player after player take the Jets money and then sh*t the bed.   We've seen agents play us for more money when the player had no desire to play for us.  IMO, we have no other way forward other than the slow, steady incremental improvement through the draft.  JD has penny pinched, avoided albatross contracts and built up a cache of draft picks.  Personally, I never thought he could parlay JA for two draft picks never mind two #1 picks.  I'd like to enjoy the process to see how he builds this team.  I understand the critical nature of some fans.  I'm OK with it.  There is plenty to be critical about.  I just think this pairing of JD and RS deserve more than a year or two before we start flying planes around with Joe must go flags.  The GM is relatively new at his position, as many have pointed out, we see coaches as first-time HC, coordinators and a rookie QB.  Not exactly how I would have played it but it what it is.  At least they are trying bold instead of playing safe.  Just my two cents.

[Biggs]

51 minutes ago, Copernicus said:

Just curious, what did you expect? All teams who are slightly out of their rebuilds and have success went through awful seasons before they seemingly became competitive. How many years for Cleveland? SF? Buffalo? Saints? If you compare SF, ( staff where Saleh came from), Shanahan's record was dreadful years 1 and 2. And then things turned around. Of course I want more wins, it just doesnt seem to happen this way

Our rookie QB has struggled like all the rookie Qbs. But our Qb won rookie of the week twice. Say what you want but the others didnt. Last 6 games Zach's INTs have dramatically decreased, he looks more confident, better decision making, and his ability to make a play unscripted, scrambling and eluding sacks is way above average. He has improved at the starts of games, and has had multiple scoring drives in the first half over the last several games. Sunday he caught Miami napping on defense 2-3 times with sneaks and drawing a penalty. Michael Carter, AVT, and Alijah Moore have all improved since the start of the season. Our CBs have out played their draft positions and we may have even found a kicker. Many fans wanted La Fluer fired after games 1-5. How's that looking now? 

On a side note, our HC didnt try to fire himself, grope a girl half his age, and blame everyone else but himself.

Disastrous? I would call the situations of the Giants, Bears , Jaguars, Seattle, and Texans more disastrous before us

I just dont see how this season is disastrous

 

Here's what I expected.  That the team management would lift Zach.  They didn't.  That Zach was talented enough, bright and studious enough to start from day 1 and at least do the basics and put together one or two complete games by now.   That Mims would show some serious development in year 2, he looks like an outright bust.   I expected Moore to be really good, he looks like he might be.  I expect AVT, the only guard picked in the first round to be really good, he is. 

I expected a 5 to 7 win season where Zach looked like Joe Borrow did last year by mid season before he got hurt.   I expected Mims to be a playmaker.  I expected the D to be trash but improve as the year went on because we hired a defensive coach who was really good at scheming the D to be effective.  

In other words I had low expectations for wins and losses but I had high expectations for some very fun watchable games with an exciting young QB and 2 young exciting WR.  A defense that would be pushed around early but show they could stand their ground late.   With very low expectations the Jets haven't really met them.  

There's ancedotal evidence all around us that something good happened to teams in the past ipso facto it will happen to us.  That's hope and optimism.   That's not the same thing as there's a plan and it will work for us if we the fans are only patient long enough.   Our patience is irrelevant.  Our expectations are irrelevant.  Almost everyone here, season ticket or not are fully invested in the Jets.  We aren't going anywhere.   What happens to the plan is simply what happens.  We don't control the owner.

There is nothing disastorous about rooting for a terrible football team.  It's certainly not a dissaster.    I hope Zach will turn it around and I even have hope that Douglas can turn the ship.  I'm very concerned about the HC.  He looks like he's in way over his head.   

[kmnj]

thanks for your replies. I was just curious-what (i have noticed in general which is why I asked the question )is that the folks that  pony up the cash for the season tickets or did for many years are the ones that are most critical and negative and not willing to have patience or wait it out or be optimistic because we have seen this movie play out many  times-

 

 

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

2 hours ago, kmnj said:

I have read over and over again since Joe got here (actually with the two clowns before )that fans need to be patient and "there is a plan" and we are "building through the draft" and it will take a few years.

my question to those that keep  preaching patience ( you know who you are)  do you have season tickets and if so for how many years (if you are willing to answer that)

I personally walked away from my paid psls.  I had over 300 home and road games in attendance. I ran out of patience and left for other reasons as well. 

I get having hope and wanting to support your team but when people are spending thousands of dollars every year to ask them to be patient is a big ask these days and to expect them to not be critical when the team is stuck in the basement of the league year in and year out is also a big ask

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Warfish]

2 hours ago, Copernicus said:

Our rookie QB has struggled like all the rookie Qbs. But our Qb won rookie of the week twice. Say what you want but the others didnt. Last 6 games Zach's INTs have dramatically decreased, he looks more confident, better decision making, and his ability to make a play unscripted, scrambling and eluding sacks is way above average. He has improved at the starts of games, and has had multiple scoring drives in the first half over the last several games. Sunday he caught Miami napping on defense 2-3 times with sneaks and drawing a penalty.

I’d normally reply to this, but site rules no longer permit it.

Enjoy your safe space. Happy Holidays.

[Fantasy Island]

2 hours ago, Seibelt said:

If I still lived in Jersey, I would not pay $1 to see the Jets in person, nor have I purchased any products of any sort with a Jet logo on it in many years.

I have and always will be a Jets fan and will watch them every week.

What is the cost? 

AGITA

Well I have been purchasing Jets apparel not tied in with the NFL.

my newest hoodie from Amazon says:

”we almost always almost win”

            Jets Football

 

eff it have fun with our ineptitude 

[Jetfuel66]

2 hours ago, kevinc855 said:

To be honest the worst Jet fan is the guy who chastises out loyal Jet fans for “not being patient” for the last decade 

I disagree. To me the worst jet fan is the one who endlessly and continuously complains and spews negativity with no real alternative solution other than fire so and so, or this guy sucks.....bla bla bla 

[Jetfuel66]

2 hours ago, Jetscode1 said:

Some excellent commentary in this thread.  FTR, I am not a STH nor ever was.  Moved away from the tri-state area many decades ago.  Still follow loyally on the Sunday ticket and have gone to a couple of road games.  Obviously, I haven't invested as much cash or watched in person as much as others.  As far as the patience question, all of us who continue to cheer for this team are a little jaded.  I just do not see another way forward than taking the long road and building through the draft.  The last decade we've seen player after player take the Jets money and then sh*t the bed.   We've seen agents play us for more money when the player had no desire to play for us.  IMO, we have no other way forward other than the slow, steady incremental improvement through the draft.  JD has penny pinched, avoided albatross contracts and built up a cache of draft picks.  Personally, I never thought he could parlay JA for two draft picks never mind two #1 picks.  I'd like to enjoy the process to see how he builds this team.  I understand the critical nature of some fans.  I'm OK with it.  There is plenty to be critical about.  I just think this pairing of JD and RS deserve more than a year or two before we start flying planes around with Joe must go flags.  The GM is relatively new at his position, as many have pointed out, we see coaches as first-time HC, coordinators and a rookie QB.  Not exactly how I would have played it but it what it is.  At least they are trying bold instead of playing safe.  Just my two cents.

Well said sir!

[Jetfuel66]

2 hours ago, Prodigal Syndicate said:

Would idzik or macc suddenly have gotten better with more time? How about sanchez, geno, or darnold?

Have we regretted not letting them have more time?

We already know where this Douglas/saleh/wilson train is going. We arent going to learn anything more.

 

 

Idzik and Mac couldn't hold JD's jockstrap IMHO

[Prodigal Syndicate]

2 minutes ago, Jetfuel66 said:

Idzik and Mac couldn't hold JD's jockstrap IMHO

Based on what? 

[nj meadowlands]

Everyone who "doEsNt wAtCh tHe GaMeS" but posts on here incessantly is a ******* sociopath.

[Jetfuel66]

Just now, Prodigal Syndicate said:

Based on what? 

Performance, Reputation, Experience, Personality, Viewpoint, Plan, Respect from Piers...ETC.

[Prodigal Syndicate]

2 minutes ago, Jetfuel66 said:

Performance, Reputation, Experience, Personality, Viewpoint, Plan, Respect from Piers...ETC.

Literally the only thing that matters is the results on the field. And so far, he is worse than both. 

[Green Ghost]

6 hours ago, Prodigal Syndicate said:

Based on what? 

Don’t bother. It not worth getting banned over someone like this. 
 the guy is trolling. Didn’t you see his post about “negative” fans?

 

[Jetfuel66]

6 minutes ago, Prodigal Syndicate said:

Literally the only thing that matters is the results on the field. And so far, he is worse than both. 

I disagree. Maybe because he is actually fixing this mess. Once again this may actually take some .....dare I say it?......PATIENCE.

Whats the alternative? Fire JD? Would that be the best move at this time?