RevisIsland610 Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 1 minute ago, rtnelson said: The fact that you can seemingly completely ignore a passing TD is kind of exactly the point of all this. You see what you want to see and claim it as fact. I just responded to another poster about that. Geez. It could be said it is the ZW supporters who see what they want to see. He just has not been good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, Grandy said: This post sums it up well. No one, including the pro-Zach committee haven't said that he's been good this year despite the strawmen that get tossed around. However its undeniable that he has shown improvement, especially in his decision making and overall use of his athleticism. Rookie year is about improvement above all. He has done that. Though he may still be a bad QB, as long as he improves and flashes there is still promise for the future. Fair, but the problem is that arguments around here seem to often be to opposite extremes. This game was certainly better than many of his others this season, and while he was impressive on his runs, the passing game was little more than mediocre. On one hand you can say he was smarter with his decisions today, but then from the other direction could point to 3 dropped picks. I will admit I am opposed to counting stats that don't exist, especially when looking on a larger scale, but it's convenient that there's wild inconsistency from both arguments doing that, only when it fits their narrative. Those who quickly disregard dropped INTs, were repeatedly crediting past potentially positive plays that never happened (and vice versa). Either way, it's simply cherry-picking for confirmation bias. Bottom line is that Wilson was really bad to start the season, but he has started to progress a bit. He is however still well short of being at the level needed at the position to constantly compete in today's NFL. So we all have to hope it's only the first small step of many more to come in the future. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 27 minutes ago, Jimmy 2 Times said: He had an exact day that made Jackson and Allen stars after their rookie seasons. Both of those players are far more dangerous with their legs, and also had better rookie years passing the ball than Wilson. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 26 minutes ago, Peace Frog said: And this post tells us all we need to know about you. Oooooohhh, good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 26, 2021 Author Share Posted December 26, 2021 9 minutes ago, Green hat said: Lawrence had 0 tds and 2 fumbles despite having no pressure. Zach had a ton of pressure, no receivers and ended up with 2 tds and no turnovers. But passing yards is the only stat that counts today. Don’t forget that Wilson is doing all this on a prosthetic leg he lost in Nam. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSNY Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 25 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: I posted this before the game ended so you can take your smug self satisfaction and stuff it, Candide. ??Ok tough guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevisIsland610 Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, ausman said: A lot of coulda, woulda, shoulda there. So a QB has to have passing, not rushing TDs to not be a bust? I thought the idea is to just win games? You take what the D gives you unless and until they take it away. They never did. Yeah ok. He still wasn't that good. He threw a td and ran for 1. He also almost had 2 passes intercepted because of horrible throws. He did barely enough to win against a very bad team. I'm not overly excited about it tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 10 minutes ago, RevisIsland610 said: Really? He ran for his only TD, had a whole 102 yards passing, and could have easily had 2 passes intercepted one of which he banged off a defensive guys helmet which was a horrible throw. All of this against a horrible Jags team that's just a little better at losing than the Jets. I saw nothing that made me think he has made any significant progress. Lets see how he looks against real teams the next 2 weeks. Ran for a TD and threw for a TD. I love the almost int lines. It’s the NFL. What about the 80 yards and TD in drops. if you watched this today and don’t think he’s made real and tangible progress since he’s been back from his injury. I really don’t think we’ll ever see eye to eye here. Honestly while I don’t agree with you - where just so far apart on what we’re seeing it’s kinda pointless to engage in this. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 41 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: My bad. Zach was drafted for his legs. Remember when we used this to justify having Sam Darnold over Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson? Great times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 14 minutes ago, ZachEY said: Both of those players are far more dangerous with their legs, and also had better rookie years passing the ball than Wilson. Respectfully, cuz u know I love ya, Josh Allen most certainly did not. They’re actually eerily similar. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, Mogglez said: Remember when we used this to justify having Sam Darnold over Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson? Great times. Good point (as always). We did lose Lawrence Taylor once upon a time due to a meaningless win and that probably cost us at least 1 Superbowl (Sack Exchange plus LT in an era where you were allowed to play defense). But you're right that the draft is a very inexact science and sometimes great players fall (e.g. Brady, Mahomes, Lamar, Josh Allen, Aaron Donald). I'm too far on the dark side with this franchise right now though. I'm bummed about this win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 16 minutes ago, ZachEY said: You were a virulent a$$hole to anyone who dared question Sam Darnold until you gave up on him. Laugh all you want. When the dumbest person in the room is laughing at you, it's really a non-factor. LMAO. You have me with confused someone else. I had hope for Sam but I was no blind supporter you dope. I think your brain is water logged. No surprise, I think those dolphins are smarter than you are. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 I love how Mosley was laughing with his teammates right after he dropped an easy INT at the goaline. Very Ray Lewis-esque. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullblast Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 Zach has gone from looking like a bad QB to just looking like a rookie QB. I’ll take that as progress. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDecker Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 Really don't get the Zach hate. He did his best Jalen Hurts impression out there and after what he's put up earlier, I will certainly take that. What is unacceptable is the Jets barely beating what many people feel is the worst team in football with 20 players injured/COVID with major draft implications on the line. The jets haven't had a dominant pass rusher in god knows how long and with two "can't miss" prospects staring them in their face, they just pull out another meaningless December win. Wonder if CLE sitting back kicking themselves for not wining those games in 16' when they handed in the card for Myles Garrett. Again happy for Zach and the guys, absolutely hate it for the future of the jets. Having the first or second pick THROUGHOUT the draft is better for the NY Jets! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 This was a great win by Zach Wilson. His 52 yard touchdown run had me having Sam Darnold flashbacks when he ran for a 46 yard touchdown vs the Broncos a year ago. Thank you Jets for holding on for a huge character building W. This is something Saleh can build from. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Good point (as always). We did lose Lawrence Taylor once upon a time due to a meaningless win and that probably cost us at least 1 Superbowl (Sack Exchange plus LT in an era where you were allowed to play defense). But you're right that the draft is a very inexact science and sometimes great players fall (e.g. Brady, Mahomes, Lamar, Josh Allen, Aaron Donald). I'm too far on the dark side with this franchise right now though. I'm bummed about this win. I can understand that feeling for sure. The Kayvon or Hutchinson dream died today. That doesn’t feel good. Zach playing well in a win though? I will take that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 Zach played very well today.Sent from my SM-G950U1 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: I'm too far on the dark side with this franchise right now though. I'm bummed about this win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevisIsland610 Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 9 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Ran for a TD and threw for a TD. I love the almost int lines. It’s the NFL. What about the 80 yards and TD in drops. if you watched this today and don’t think he’s made real and tangible progress since he’s been back from his injury. I really don’t think we’ll ever see eye to eye here. Honestly while I don’t agree with you - where just so far apart on what we’re seeing it’s kinda pointless to engage in this. I agree we are very far apart. We will see how he has progressed when he plays real teams the next 2 weeks. My guess is not much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 12 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Don’t forget that Wilson is doing all this on a prosthetic leg he lost in Nam. I mean come on man. Half the starters and the head coach weren’t on the field today. He literally had practice squad rejects blocking for him and the team was so depleted that he was throwing touchdowns to benched offensive linemen. I’m all for hyperbolic trolling but good lord some of that sh*t has to count for something. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtnelson Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mogglez said: I can understand that feeling for sure. The Kayvon or Hutchinson dream died today. That doesn’t feel good. Zach playing well in a win though? I will take that. We have no idea how the draft will turn out, even at this stage. We very well could wind up with one of those two, and one or both of them could completely bust. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thebuzzardman Posted December 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 26, 2021 27 minutes ago, T0mShane said: The PZM are supercharging their list of excuses for the next two weeks, after rabidly massaging those excuses this week. The PZM AZM Civil War battles are the reason I frequent this place 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Mogglez said: I can understand that feeling for sure. The Kayvon or Hutchinson dream died today. That doesn’t feel good. Zach playing well though? I will take that. He certainly played better today. I was encouraged that he looked more confident out there and wasn't bouncing passes. But I said going into the game that we can't look too much into this game due to the circumstances. Let's see how he plays against Tampa and Buffalo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtnelson Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, RevisIsland610 said: I agree we are very far apart. We will see how he has progressed when he plays real teams the next 2 weeks. My guess is not much. The team sucks and will most likely disintegrate around him. You could put Tom Brady in the lineup the next two weeks and he'll look like a rookie or a washed up has been. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 11 minutes ago, Mogglez said: Respectfully, cuz u know I love ya, Josh Allen most certainly did not. They’re actually eerily similar. Advanced metrics had him ahead, last I saw them. And I’m not holding out hope for one of the most impressive leaps we’ve ever seen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, RevisIsland610 said: I agree we are very far apart. We will see how he has progressed when he plays real teams the next 2 weeks. My guess is not much. This is exactly what I want to see. I hope he really does progress and I'll gladly eat crow if so. I'm not going to get too excited about this game though. We beat one of the few teams that we're probably actually better than. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, DoubleDecker said: Really don't get the Zach hate. He did his best Jalen Hurts impression out there and after what he's put up earlier, I will certainly take that. What is unacceptable is the Jets barely beating what many people feel is the worst team in football with 20 players injured/COVID with major draft implications on the line. The jets haven't had a dominant pass rusher in god knows how long and with two "can't miss" prospects staring them in their face, they just pull out another meaningless December win. Wonder if CLE sitting back kicking themselves for not wining those games in 16' when they handed in the card for Myles Garrett. Again happy for Zach and the guys, absolutely hate it for the future of the jets. Having the first or second pick THROUGHOUT the draft is better for the NY Jets! EDGE might be the hardest position to predict in the NFL. Neither of them are can't miss prospects in fact history would suggest they are unlikely to be the Top 2 from the draft. We will have 4 picks in the Top 40. Edge is not even close to our biggest need 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, rtnelson said: We have no idea how the draft will turn out, even at this stage. We very well could wind up with one of those two, and one or both of them could completely bust. To be fair, you're absolutely right about this. But I do think that #1 or #2 OA still affords you more opportunities. I would've been thrilled with multiple trade downs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green hat Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 He had no receivers (again) . Davis, Moore, Crowder out. Griffen out. Porous OL. How was he expected to have good passing stats today? He looked more confident and made enough plays by either throwing or running. His biggest issue was the pressure/inexperience affecting his accuracy. Most think he is athletically gifted but held back due to the mental side. He looks like he has not crumbled mentally despite all of the adversity and is making improvements each week. I was worried about him after the Saints game tbh, but feel much better now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 9 minutes ago, Ken Schroy said: LMAO. You have me with confused someone else. I had hope for Sam but I was no blind supporter you dope. I think your brain is water logged. No surprise, I think those dolphins are smarter than you are. lol Tell you what… $500 charity bet if I dig up the posts? Make it $1,000 when I find your Ardarius Stewart posts from when, at that the time you were being a piece of sh*t about Darnold, I reminded you that you told me he was a good player. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, thebuzzardman said: The PZM AZM Civil War battles are the reason I frequent this place What does PZM and AZM stand for? My guess is Pro Zach and Anti Zach...just not sure what the "M" is for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, ZachEY said: Tell you what… $500 charity bet if I dig up the posts? Make it $1,000 when I find your Ardarius Stewart posts from when, at that the time you were being a piece of sh*t about Darnold, I reminded you that you told me he was a good player. Go ahead and find them. If they happened at all it was early on. You can also post where you posted Sam as a bust after 10 games. As for the bet; I wouldn't trust you for sh*t. SO I guess you are being a piece of sh*t about Zach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 1 minute ago, playtowinthegame said: What does PZM and AZM stand for? My guess is Pro Zach and Anti Zach...just not sure what the "M" is for. Mammaries. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamathToCaster Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 12 minutes ago, Barton said: I love how Mosley was laughing with his teammates right after he dropped an easy INT at the goaline. Very Ray Lewis-esque. Can't wait until he is off the team. In my mind he was a back pick for the amount of money we dished out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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