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Truly curious to hear thoughts on this!!  At a glance, it seems inexcusable that we didn’t use our salary cap space the past 2 years to significantly improve these vastly subpar positions (recognizing it’s a long shot to hit on immediate starters late in the draft; placekicker aside).  If you can’t find a FA kicker, then that’s when you draft one late.

I do understand other positions were prioritized but it’s not like we didn’t have cap space or flexibility to actually get legit NFL starters, even on incentive laden / short term deals that JD could back out of after 2 years.  That’s been his MO and I think his contract structuring has been smart.  For example, we can cut bait on Corey Davis after year 2.  Rankins after this year if we wanted to @ under $1M in dead money.  We would be wise to part ways with GVR and save $3.5M with ZERO dead money.  We could cut both Fant and McGovern with very manageable dead money but most would agree they are good players worth keeping around at their 2022 cap hits.

Instead of taking action, JD bet on Mosley, 2 late round converted safeties and a LB who lost his starting job with the Lions.  All a big reason why our run defense STINKS, indirectly hurting out pass rush / defense.  If you can’t stop the run, it’s very tough to rush the quarterback and cover; hence the domino effect we are witnessing today.  These same LBs also cannot cover TEs or RBs.

A TE is a rookie QBs best friend.  Hunter Henry has 9 TDs for goofy Mac Jones this year and it didn’t seem like we even made an attempt to lure him here (preemptively written for all those who would say who would come here?).  Not even an attempt. Heck, BB went out and got the top 2 TEs on the market.  And it’s not like JD was betting on Chris Herndon, who he rightfully shipped off to the Vikings for a quality pick.  Did he really think Kroft was the solution?  An excellent #2 If he can stay healthy but a reliable safety outlet for Wilson??

Lastly, Place kicker has been an unmitigated disaster.  My 9 year old last year said to me after 1 bad miss ‘****in Ficken’.  I wasn’t even upset, I agreed with him.  I still find myself muttering the same and will probably do so for the remainder of my life.

JD has proven to be smart with his contracts, shrewd and aggressive with his trades, and yet has failed to acquire quality starters at three key position groups spanning his time here.

Has he undervalued them, failed to understand the connections noted above, or allowed them to fail as expected preferring to live with the pain before fixing them through the draft over a multi year period?

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He seems to feel that there are so many pk guys around you just keep trying until you find a good one. 

LB, well he did draft two last year and signed fa guy, none of which has worked out.

TE is the big sin for sure.  That has been total neglect. he needs to draft two this coming draft.

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6 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

$22 million in dead cap money makes it harder to spend on big ticket names. That will change in 2022 when all of Macc's dead money comes off the books.

Who was on the books from the Mike McCagnan era that prevented us from signing players this past off season?  Didn't we have the most cap space in the league?

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We are building this through the draft.  We will take the best tight end in the draft this year.

Listen to what the gm and coach are telling you and you wont have to open threads like this.  Winning games is not the #1 priority for this franchise.  Building through the draft is.

Winning moves up on the totem pole next year is is back to being the #1 priority starting 2023.

 

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9 minutes ago, RoadFan said:

The 2021 draft class is really good.

The 2020 class, not so much.  But JD and scouts did not have even have a college season to work.  Hired in January, draft just a few months later in April.

I, shockingly, am encouraged.  Especially since ZW is improving.

Also, JD straight up robbed the Seahawks and Panthers.

TE was a big miss, but JD has to know it is a priority this off-season.

JD was hired in June 2019. He had all the way until April 2020 until the draft to prepare, and college ball was being played when he was hired.

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34 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

We are building this through the draft.  We will take the best tight end in the draft this year.

Listen to what the gm and coach are telling you and you wont have to open threads like this.  Winning games is not the #1 priority for this franchise.  Building through the draft is.

Winning moves up on the totem pole next year is is back to being the #1 priority starting 2023.

 

Bull, you build via draft and Fa and if we are building through the draft Douglas is .5 out of two so far, total strike out in year one .5 out of 1 in year two.

Douglas spent a ton of coin on davis and Lawson etc.

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Just now, slimjasi said:

He needs this upcoming draft to look a lot more like 2021 than 2020, that’s for sure. 
 

although I do think people are giving up on becton too quickly 

I'm not giving up on him but he is trending down not up.  Hall is pretty good but not fantastic, other than that woof.  All too familiar seen of the avg jet nation draft nick would have had a better draft.

In any case the jets have a true chance to really up lift the talent this draft, should be exciting in fa and leading up to the draft.

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2 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

I'm not giving up on him but he is trending down not up.  Hall is pretty good but not fantastic, other than that woof.  All too familiar seen of the avg jet nation draft nick would have had a better draft.

In any case the jets have a true chance to really up lift the talent this draft, should be exciting in fa and leading up to the draft.

Agreed. And honestly, even if Becton pans out, the 2020 draft isn’t good enough. 
 

you need your first 3 draft picks to all be major contributors for a successful draft, IMO. Mims would need to turn it around for me to be close to satisfied with how that draft turned out 

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38 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Adam Gase hired Joe Douglas.  Adam Gase ran most of the 2020 draft and those were his picks.

Joe took full ownership starting with this past draft.  You cant grade him on adam gase's picks.

 

You sound like you have inside info and were in the draft room. You don't know sh*t like the rest of us. JD has done both good and bad in his 2 years here. People criticizing him after 2 dreadful years have every right to. I'm on the fence about him. This is a critical draft and off season and I hope he will make the right decisions. 

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52 minutes ago, RevisIsland610 said:

You sound like you have inside info and were in the draft room. You don't know sh*t like the rest of us. JD has done both good and bad in his 2 years here. People criticizing him after 2 dreadful years have every right to. I'm on the fence about him. This is a critical draft and off season and I hope he will make the right decisions. 

Adam Gase was the football man of florham park.  Do you honestly think he didnt have major influence on a 1st time GMs draft picks?

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1 hour ago, bla bla bla said:

TE, I believe they wanted to give Herndon every opportunity to succeed before investing into the position. Douglas did bring in Kroft so didn't totally ignore the position.

LB, his first FA signing was Jarad Davis, and he's stuck with the Mosley contract for another year. I don't think he ignored it as much as we wanted to focus the bulk of our assets on offense.

PK, not sure how you can say he's ignored this position. He's brought in countless kickers.

Agree on all points.  Davis was a whiff but also acknowledgment that he thought a first round pedigree in a misfit system might work out. It hasn’t. 
 

TE- Herndon, idkwtf to make out of that kid- what a head case. JD was interested in the 2 New England TE’s but he had a value and NE paid well above it. I expect it a top priority this off season.

K- yeah, not happy.  Statistically it’s pretty hard to have so many guys sh*t the bed in a row there. He’s simply not good at evaluating kickers and he’ll keep trying till he finds one. Can’t say it’s the worst thing a GM could be bad at. 

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2 hours ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

Instead of taking action, JD bet on Mosley, 2 late round converted safeties and a LB who lost his starting job with the Lions

Mosleys contract makes it impossible to cut him this year and next. the cap hit would be too much. thanks MAC.

he did pick up Quincy Williams who i think is going to stay here. hes played pretty well.

2 hours ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

A TE is a rookie QBs best friend.  Hunter Henry has 9 TDs for goofy Mac Jones this year and it didn’t seem like we even made an attempt to lure him here (preemptively written for all those who would say who would come here?).  Not even an attempt. Heck, BB went out and got the top 2 TEs on the market

how do you know there were no offers made for those 2 guys? maybe they wanted to play for a HOF coach instead of rookie HC on a 2-14 team.

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3 hours ago, undertow said:

Who was on the books from the Mike McCagnan era that prevented us from signing players this past off season?  Didn't we have the most cap space in the league?

Yea it's kinda unreal to think Trumaine Johnson's dead cap hit is more than all our CBs put together. We are still paying Enunwa, Osemele, Bell, Darnold, and Herndon. 

$33m is our total dead cap but a portion of that is in season moves that Douglas did. 

Even still, imagine having 2 more players of Carl Lawson's ability on this team. Bad contracts do start to weigh on a team.

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4 hours ago, bla bla bla said:

TE, I believe they wanted to give Herndon every opportunity to succeed before investing into the position. Douglas did bring in Kroft so didn't totally ignore the position.

LB, his first FA signing was Jarad Davis, and he's stuck with the Mosley contract for another year. I don't think he ignored it as much as we wanted to focus the bulk of our assets on offense.

PK, not sure how you can say he's ignored this position. He's brought in countless kickers.

PK, that’s disingenuous, he’s brought in multiple kickers, because he tried to bring in cheap no name guys off the street and not pay a proven kicker.

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9 hours ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

Truly curious to hear thoughts on this!!  At a glance, it seems inexcusable that we didn’t use our salary cap space the past 2 years to significantly improve these vastly subpar positions (recognizing it’s a long shot to hit on immediate starters late in the draft; placekicker aside).  If you can’t find a FA kicker, then that’s when you draft one late.

I do understand other positions were prioritized but it’s not like we didn’t have cap space or flexibility to actually get legit NFL starters, even on incentive laden / short term deals that JD could back out of after 2 years.  That’s been his MO and I think his contract structuring has been smart.  For example, we can cut bait on Corey Davis after year 2.  Rankins after this year if we wanted to @ under $1M in dead money.  We would be wise to part ways with GVR and save $3.5M with ZERO dead money.  We could cut both Fant and McGovern with very manageable dead money but most would agree they are good players worth keeping around at their 2022 cap hits.

Instead of taking action, JD bet on Mosley, 2 late round converted safeties and a LB who lost his starting job with the Lions.  All a big reason why our run defense STINKS, indirectly hurting out pass rush / defense.  If you can’t stop the run, it’s very tough to rush the quarterback and cover; hence the domino effect we are witnessing today.  These same LBs also cannot cover TEs or RBs.

A TE is a rookie QBs best friend.  Hunter Henry has 9 TDs for goofy Mac Jones this year and it didn’t seem like we even made an attempt to lure him here (preemptively written for all those who would say who would come here?).  Not even an attempt. Heck, BB went out and got the top 2 TEs on the market.  And it’s not like JD was betting on Chris Herndon, who he rightfully shipped off to the Vikings for a quality pick.  Did he really think Kroft was the solution?  An excellent #2 If he can stay healthy but a reliable safety outlet for Wilson??

Lastly, Place kicker has been an unmitigated disaster.  My 9 year old last year said to me after 1 bad miss ‘****in Ficken’.  I wasn’t even upset, I agreed with him.  I still find myself muttering the same and will probably do so for the remainder of my life.

JD has proven to be smart with his contracts, shrewd and aggressive with his trades, and yet has failed to acquire quality starters at three key position groups spanning his time here.

Has he undervalued them, failed to understand the connections noted above, or allowed them to fail as expected preferring to live with the pain before fixing them through the draft over a multi year period?

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10 hours ago, Beerfish said:

He seems to feel that there are so many pk guys around you just keep trying until you find a good one. 

LB, well he did draft two last year and signed fa guy, none of which has worked out.

TE is the big sin for sure.  That has been total neglect. he needs to draft two this coming draft.

isn't that the way with place kickers?  look at the ones the jets have had.  folk?  lost his job in dallas before the jets.  brien?  lost his job in green bay before the jets.  nugent?  waste of a 2nd rounder.  feeley?  lost his job in washington before the jets.  the point is besides nugent they really haven't had a home grown place kicker (i guess we can go all the way back to leahy) so these cycle through all the time.  except for the patsies, who had a good run with vinatieri and gostkowski i'm not sure any nfl has kept their place kicker for a long time.

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