Ian Fleming Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Braxtention! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 10 minutes ago, ZachEY said: bornjetsfan1983 or whatever it is obviously has to just delete that account and start over, right? You really can't rebound from this one. Small sample size but even I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 25 minutes ago, RSJ said: I would think next season Berrios will be off special teams and playing more WR. If the Jets feel the same way they could pay him as a starter here without a problem. Especially if they take a WR early they can move on from Davis after next season. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app I doubt that. ST is a huge part of why he's valuable. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phill1c Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 first of all, i HOPE this is not another JFM situation. second: no change in role. Berrios should still be the gadget man, primarily KR and PR. Keep him doing exactly what he's doing: KR, KR, fill-in slot WR. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbyblue Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 This is how you build a team. Baltimore does this, sign players cheap before they realize how good they are. Berrios will grow with Zach and Moore. The Jets need a Dominant big body that Mims is not. Treylon Burks is the pick early 2nd. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phill1c Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 kinda hard seeing Brassard Perriman looking beastly against the Jets secondary yesterday... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 46 minutes ago, The Crusher said: That’s steep, but that little sh*t catches whatever is thrown to him and runs his balls off. Not sure what it’s worth but like to see them make it work, I admit, I'm having trouble with the counter-narratives at JN, that Zach needs weapons to do well and can't do well with wat we have, and we need a 3 for 30 million Berrios. I think, as always seems to happen, Jets Fans are hyperinflating a guy into the stratosphere based on basically one game. A loss at that. Last year it was Mims. Now it's Berrios, third stinger-turned-all-pro superstud 30 million guy. I look forward to the hype machine finally being right, and Berrios not turning into a pumpkin next year when he's starting (and at 3/30 million, he damn well better be starting). Davis/Moore/Berrios? Not sure thats a winning formula myself. Hope I'm wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 24 minutes ago, slats said: I hope not. I want him to quintuple down and keep that thread alive. That thread will be resurrected plenty in the future ... I'm certain of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 If I'm in his position, I've yet to cash in on this NFL thing.. why wouldn't I hit free agency and see what I can get in the open market? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 and if I'm Joe Douglas, I want to bring back Berrios, but I'd be interested to see first what the rest of the league values him at.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Claw Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 6 minutes ago, Warfish said: I admit, I'm having trouble with the counter-narratives at JN, that Zach needs weapons to do well and can't do well with wat we have, and we need a 3 for 30 million Berrios. I think, as always seems to happen, Jets Fans are hyperinflating a guy into the stratosphere based on basically one game. A loss at that. Last year it was Mims. Now it's Berrios, third stinger-turned-all-pro superstud 30 million guy. I look forward to the hype machine finally being right, and Berrios not turning into a pumpkin next year when he's starting (and at 3/30 million, he damn well better be starting). Davis/Moore/Berrios? Not sure thats a winning formula myself. Hope I'm wrong. Yeah, 3/30 is ridiculous. I think Berrios is a good player and has earned a new deal, but I’m hoping for something more along the lines of 3 for 15 or less. He’s a solid return guy and a 3rd or 4th wr. 10 million a year is preposterous and I can’t see JD going that route. At least I hope he doesn’t. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phill1c Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 5 minutes ago, Warfish said: I admit, I'm having trouble with the counter-narratives at JN, that Zach needs weapons to do well and can't do well with wat we have, and we need a 3 for 30 million Berrios. I think, as always seems to happen, Jets Fans are hyperinflating a guy into the stratosphere based on basically one game. A loss at that. Last year it was Mims. Now it's Berrios, third stinger-turned-all-pro superstud 30 million guy. I look forward to the hype machine finally being right, and Berrios not turning into a pumpkin next year when he's starting (and at 3/30 million, he damn well better be starting). Davis/Moore/Berrios? Not sure thats a winning formula myself. Hope I'm wrong. Is that what these idiots here are doing? Elevating Berrios to #1 WR status? Asking that he get paid Antonio Brown money? All I desire is to not let him get away for a fair contract that he's earned here. Nobody sane thinks Berrios (my negro) is the second coming of even Wayne Chrebet. BUT, when the Jets have needed plays ALL F*CK!NG YEAR, not just this game, Berrios has been the guy showing up most on film as making a play. Yeah, he's undersized. So, the Jets definitely need to continue to acquire SIZE at the WR spot. But needing size doesn't mean you don't need a playmaker, regardless of size. I don't think the Jets will need to overpay for Berrios. He's having too much fun here. But of course they should pay the man for his clutchness, which is what every SB needs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BugZy Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 5 hours ago, Spoot-Face said: My extension is underway, too ha ha ha ha ha!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 4 hours ago, Irish Jet said: Jets always negotiate when players have maximum leverage. It’s actually hilarious. What do you recommend tgey do? Should they negotiate with players playing poorly with one year left on their contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 4 hours ago, Irish Jet said: Jets always negotiate when players have maximum leverage. It’s actually hilarious. On extensions, yes. However Douglas did approach Crowder on a pay cut by timing his leverage. By the time he was approached, Crowder was trapped into a corner. Maccagnan was the king of surrendering leverage, though. Never saw anything like it before or since. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 31 minutes ago, Warfish said: I admit, I'm having trouble with the counter-narratives at JN, that Zach needs weapons to do well and can't do well with wat we have, and we need a 3 for 30 million Berrios. I think, as always seems to happen, Jets Fans are hyperinflating a guy into the stratosphere based on basically one game. A loss at that. Last year it was Mims. Now it's Berrios, third stinger-turned-all-pro superstud 30 million guy. I look forward to the hype machine finally being right, and Berrios not turning into a pumpkin next year when he's starting (and at 3/30 million, he damn well better be starting). Davis/Moore/Berrios? Not sure thats a winning formula myself. Hope I'm wrong. I agree. Davis can’t catch, Moore and Berrios can. Not sure it’s relatable or dependent on Zach as much as it could be. I’m a big simple fool, want guys that can catch the ball when thrown to them. I would pay them and drop the drop droppity drop guys. Right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Syndicate Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 He is a $3-5M year a guy. That's reasonable. You don't pay this guy $10M a year, that would be absolute lunacy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 48 minutes ago, Shelbyblue said: This is how you build a team. Baltimore does this, sign players cheap before they realize how good they are. Berrios will grow with Zach and Moore. The Jets need a Dominant big body that Mims is not. Treylon Burks is the pick early 2nd. Except this is one game shy of waiting as long as possible. Only one more game of risk, where Berrios could get badly injured before getting paid. Not nothing, but not a whole lot either. That's a classic Maccagnan move to wait until the player has played his last game under his current contract. That's when he made his offers to Enunwa, Mo, Harris, Winters, etc. Guy had manure for brains. JD's m-o is to extend players during a brief, career-best stretch (which promptly ends before the ink is dry): Griffin, JFM, and now Berrios. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 He will almost certainly be a Pat if the Jets don't sign him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Origen Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 8 minutes ago, Prodigal Syndicate said: He is a $3-5M year a guy. That's reasonable. You don't pay this guy $10M a year, that would be absolute lunacy. Yeah I would say 3 year $12M guaranteed up to $18M with bonuses 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 49 minutes ago, Warfish said: I admit, I'm having trouble with the counter-narratives at JN, that Zach needs weapons to do well and can't do well with wat we have, and we need a 3 for 30 million Berrios. I think, as always seems to happen, Jets Fans are hyperinflating a guy into the stratosphere based on basically one game. A loss at that. Last year it was Mims. Now it's Berrios, third stinger-turned-all-pro superstud 30 million guy. I look forward to the hype machine finally being right, and Berrios not turning into a pumpkin next year when he's starting (and at 3/30 million, he damn well better be starting). Davis/Moore/Berrios? Not sure thats a winning formula myself. Hope I'm wrong. The problem in that lineup isn't Berrios though. It's Davis. Berrios is a fine #3/#4 type guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 53 minutes ago, Warfish said: I admit, I'm having trouble with the counter-narratives at JN, that Zach needs weapons to do well and can't do well with wat we have, and we need a 3 for 30 million Berrios. I think, as always seems to happen, Jets Fans are hyperinflating a guy into the stratosphere based on basically one game. A loss at that. Last year it was Mims. Now it's Berrios, third stinger-turned-all-pro superstud 30 million guy. I look forward to the hype machine finally being right, and Berrios not turning into a pumpkin next year when he's starting (and at 3/30 million, he damn well better be starting). Davis/Moore/Berrios? Not sure thats a winning formula myself. Hope I'm wrong. Berrios is a 4th WR and return man and a pretty good one at that. He should be paid at the top end of what that is... Davis/Moore/1st round WR and a legit TE is a winning formula - Michael Carter in the backfield.. And Berrios the gadget guy - backfield, slot, wide out - he's very good when he can get in space... No excuses for Wilson with those weapons. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Just now, Barry McCockinner said: The problem in that lineup isn't Berrios though. It's Davis. Berrios is a fine #3/#4 type guy. We have to hope Davis's hands this year were a bit of an aberration. As a #1 he was a weak link - as a #3 he's actually pretty good. If he can catch. Gotta take a WR in the 1st. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 2 hours ago, BornJetsFan1983 said: This is going to be interesting. We will see unfortunately I believe what type of player he really is next year. We will see if Joe values him over the role player jag he is or as a valuable player on the roster. I have a feeling I will be proved right once again and that Joe will not over pay. I have to admit it is easy to fall into the trap that always happens, player looks good reletive to other crap players but is still in fact crap after we pay them. Please God don't give him huge contract Well unfortunately Berrios isn't a crap player, so that kind of ruins your analogy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 24 minutes ago, The Crusher said: I agree. Davis can’t catch, Moore and Berrios can. Not sure it’s relatable or dependent on Zach as much as it could be. I’m a big simple fool, want guys that can catch the ball when thrown to them. I would pay them and drop the drop droppity drop guys. Right? Davis caught just fine prior to this year. 2019 was @62.3%. 2020 was @70.3% For Comparison, Berrios in 2020 was @67.3% and in 2021 has been @70.8%. If we want to argue Berrios catches Zach's balls better than Davis catches Zach's balls, that would be demonstrable, given Davis's 57.6% number for 2021. Or, Davis could just be having a bad year. For all the "we must give player X time!" demands, it's interesting how fast fans are dumping Davis at WR already. No one was dumping the beloved Anderson for his catch rate (56.2% lifetime) but Davis (60.7%) is a one and done droppy bust? Fickle, goes the homer fans: Some of the same guys who told me I was a bad fan for not believing Corey Davis was a legit #1, no question, now want to sell him after one season as a bust working with a rookie QB who can't break a 60% completion rate? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 4 hours ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: Contract value is much higher when you factor in grittiness and that his twitter handle is hnynut_berrios. And he’s dating a Culpo. Those cost ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 15 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: We have to hope Davis's hands this year were a bit of an aberration. As a #1 he was a weak link - as a #3 he's actually pretty good. If he can catch. Gotta take a WR in the 1st. So presume we do, who are your starting 1, 2 and Slot WR's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 19 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: The problem in that lineup isn't Berrios though. It's Davis. Berrios is a fine #3/#4 type guy. So you're cutting Davis after a single season then, to fit Berrios into the starting 3 with Moore and....1st round draft pick I presume? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 20 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Berrios is a 4th WR and return man and a pretty good one at that. He should be paid at the top end of what that is... Davis/Moore/1st round WR and a legit TE is a winning formula - Michael Carter in the backfield.. And Berrios the gadget guy - backfield, slot, wide out - he's very good when he can get in space... No excuses for Wilson with those weapons. Sounds fine to me. Especially that last line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, Warfish said: So you're cutting Davis after a single season then, to fit Berrios into the starting 3 with Moore and....1st round draft pick I presume? Not cutting Davis but trying to get someone better than him for #1. He's a fine #2/3 guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Syndicate Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 20 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: We have to hope Davis's hands this year were a bit of an aberration. As a #1 he was a weak link - as a #3 he's actually pretty good. If he can catch. Gotta take a WR in the 1st. I'd like us to take a WR with one of our first round picks. Have him be our #1, Davis our #2, Moore our #3 in the slot, berrios #4, and then dump cole and mims, I'm sure crowder will be gone as well, bring in some nice depth guys to replace them. Would like another mid round WR and a couple more FA pick ups. Take a TE in the 2nd round. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, Warfish said: So presume we do, who are your starting 1, 2 and Slot WR's? #4/7 X/Y- Moore slot - Davis X/Y Carter #1 RB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 12 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: And he’s dating a Culpo. Those cost ya. That girl is too skinny. That's right, I said it. Maybe with his big contract he could take her out for lunch... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 12 minutes ago, Warfish said: Davis caught just fine prior to this year. 2019 was @62.3%. 2020 was @70.3% For Comparison, Berrios in 2020 was @67.3% and in 2021 has been @70.8%. If we want to argue Berrios catches Zach's balls better than Davis catches Zach's balls, that would be demonstrable, given Davis's 57.6% number for 2021. Or, Davis could just be having a bad year. For all the "we must give player X time!" demands, it's interesting how fast fans are dumping Davis at WR already. No one was dumping the beloved Anderson for his catch rate (56.2% lifetime) but Davis (60.7%) is a one and done droppy bust? Fickle, goes the homer fans: Some of the same guys who told me I was a bad fan for not believing Corey Davis was a legit #1, no question, now want to sell him after one season as a bust working with a rookie QB who can't break a 60% completion rate? Nice! Putting numbers in because you know I know you use to counting the beans! Yet, I also know me you both want anyone that can catch the ball and that BYU kid to lead is to the promise land. Is that too much to ask? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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