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3 hours ago, Copernicus said:

SMH some Jets fans complaining about their kicker starting 7-7

Yeah but one of his kicks was a little off center.  Gotta split those uprights.

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48 minutes ago, DoubleDown said:

Sooner or later, teams will catch on and bring pressure up the middle to block those kicks.

Not With the newer rules of not allowing DL to line up over the long snapper, not allowing overloading one area and also no jumping over TLOS to block kicks. Best opportunity is off the edge 
 

NEW RULE: A ban on teams overloading one side of the defensive line on point-after and field-goal attempts.

What the rule changes: "(a) When Team A presents a punt, field-goal attempt or a Try Kick formation, a Team B player, who is within 1 yard of the line of scrimmage, must have his entire body outside the snapper's shoulder pads at the snap. (b) When Team A presents a field-goal or Try Kick formation: (1) No more than six Team B players may be on the line of scrimmage on either side of the snapper at the snap; Penalty: For illegal formation by the defense, loss of 5 yards from the previous spot. (2) Team B players cannot push teammates on the line of scrimmage into the offensive formation. Penalty: For unnecessary roughness, loss of 15 yards from the previous spot."

Why the change was made: PAT defensive teams were rushing through the gaps created by the overload. After looking at a lot of tape, NFL Competition Committee members found too many injuries were caused by this formation.

Running forward and leaping across the line of scrimmage in an obvious attempt to block a field goal or Try Kick, unless the player was in a stationary position on the line of scrimmage when the ball was snapped. A player who is behind the line of scrimmage before, or at the snap, may run forward and leap, provided he does not cross the line of scrimmage or land on players.

 

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1 hour ago, 32EBoozer said:

Not With the newer rules of not allowing DL to line up over the long snapper, not allowing overloading one area and also no jumping over TLOS to block kicks. Best opportunity is off the edge 
 

NEW RULE: A ban on teams overloading one side of the defensive line on point-after and field-goal attempts.

What the rule changes: "(a) When Team A presents a punt, field-goal attempt or a Try Kick formation, a Team B player, who is within 1 yard of the line of scrimmage, must have his entire body outside the snapper's shoulder pads at the snap. (b) When Team A presents a field-goal or Try Kick formation: (1) No more than six Team B players may be on the line of scrimmage on either side of the snapper at the snap; Penalty: For illegal formation by the defense, loss of 5 yards from the previous spot. (2) Team B players cannot push teammates on the line of scrimmage into the offensive formation. Penalty: For unnecessary roughness, loss of 15 yards from the previous spot."

Why the change was made: PAT defensive teams were rushing through the gaps created by the overload. After looking at a lot of tape, NFL Competition Committee members found too many injuries were caused by this formation.

Running forward and leaping across the line of scrimmage in an obvious attempt to block a field goal or Try Kick, unless the player was in a stationary position on the line of scrimmage when the ball was snapped. A player who is behind the line of scrimmage before, or at the snap, may run forward and leap, provided he does not cross the line of scrimmage or land on players.

 

Fair enough.

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4 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Someone in the game thread called his 51-yard kick the little engine that could of FGs. Pretty apt.

At least it wasn't the little engine that couldn't, like we've been having since JD took over

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15 minutes ago, Morrissey said:

For the life of me I do not understand why some of you want to bring back Amendola for a camp competition. He just lost a season competition to Pineiro. 

Yeah, the Ammendola infatuation around here is absurd.  The guy can't hit a kick outside of 40 yards, but people are fawning over the supposedly strong leg that is incapable of putting the ball through the uprights?  As if every kicker in the league couldn't hit it further than they normally do if just blindly blasting it with no accuracy.  He sucked in college too, so not sure where this expectation is that this will magically change.  The guy came in ranked 41st in FG% this season, meaning there were at least 9 guys picked up off the street mid-season better than him this year (one of course being Pineiro).

I can understand the lack of certainty for Pineiro, but as has been shown repeatedly through the past 3 years with Douglas, there are always other kickers out there better than any of the guys he previously picked up, so desperately trying to double down on of his already proven failures would be pointless.  They could just as easily go with one of this year's undrafted rookies with a strong leg that might actually have the slightest bit of accuracy.

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12 hours ago, bla bla bla said:

I'd make it an open competition with Ammendola next camp with the edge to Pineiro. Ammendola has a way stronger leg, if he can get his accuracy figured out hes the one I'd want.

Keep em both  Let Pinero do placekicking let Amendola punt and kickoffs

Sayonara Mr Mann

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On 1/6/2022 at 1:47 AM, PS17 said:

 Just draft the best kicker available in round 5 and be done with it.

It will be an undrafted player, we don't have a 6th or 7th, and I highly doubt JD will use a 5th on a kicker.

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29 minutes ago, Morrissey said:

why would you waste a roster spot for this when Mann can do the kick offs?

Because I think Amendola can be a better punter and long field goal specialist. Mann is an ok punter nothing special Amendola on the other hand with practice can be a weapon in the punt game as evidenced when Mann went down and Amendola stepped in 

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On 1/6/2022 at 11:22 AM, DoubleDown said:

He's a good stopgap, but not a long term solution.  He would be a liability if/when the Jets are playing meaningful games in December and January.

All of his 40+ yard FGs are line drives.  Sooner or later, teams will catch on and bring pressure up the middle to block those kicks.

Bottom line, a good NFL kicker needs to be able to hit a 50 or 55 yard FG in cold weather.

The new rules make it harder to bring pressure up the middle, otherwise I agree. It also seems he kicks for the distance for the kick and accuracy instead of just blasting it all the time which may make his leg strength deceiving.(although Hall does kickoffs for a reason.)

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On 1/6/2022 at 10:04 AM, Bleedin Green said:

Pineiro doesn't have a great leg, but his kicks have looked a little better over the course of the few weeks he's been here, considering it originally looked like those in the 30s range were barely even making it.  I'm not sure he's the long term answer, but still far better than any of the others JD brought in before him (including Ammendola, which the infatuation some have with him is ridiculous for a guy who has been laughably inaccurate throughout his NFL and college careers).

He's going to be a dirt cheap ERFA for the Jets, so definitely throw the tag his way and then find someone to compete with him in camp, whether that's someone who shakes free in free agency (e.g., the Colts currently have 2 kickers better than anyone the Jets have had in a long time) or picking up an undrafted rookie.

You sure he's an ERFA? He's been in the league since 2018 and two of two sites I looked at have him listed as a pure UFA.

I'd bring him back as a default start, but the kicks are both low and weak, and that seems less reliable over a long term (let alone when we really get our stormy, disgusting northeast weather that he's been immune from kicking in thus far). Two low kick FGs that I can recall, plus a blocked XP after Wilson's big run, and yes any shorter kicks that barely cleared the bar, don't give me a full season's confidence to just hand it to him and not look to upgrade. 

Kickers are notoriously streaky. Sometimes streaky good, sometimes streaky bad, but I wouldn't confuse his current streak with expectations that this will be his baseline going forward. He's the same kicker who missed (for the Bears last year) 1/10 in the 30s, 4 of 7 in the 40s, and 2 XPs. 

Even when making them, it feels like every kick of his is an adventure. If we can't pick up someone better, ok fine I guess. But I don't see how he's the best kicker on earth who won't be under contract with another NFL team when FA starts. 

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Why are you guys acting like Pineiro is money in the bank from short yardage?  He missed an extra point against the Jags. Probably should have cost us the game.  He also missed a couple when he was with the Bears.

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13 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

You sure he's an ERFA? He's been in the league since 2018 and two of two sites I looked at have him listed as a pure UFA.

I'd bring him back as a default start, but the kicks are both low and weak, and that seems less reliable over a long term (let alone when we really get our stormy, disgusting northeast weather that he's been immune from kicking in thus far). Two low kick FGs that I can recall, plus a blocked XP after Wilson's big run, and yes any shorter kicks that barely cleared the bar, don't give me a full season's confidence to just hand it to him and not look to upgrade. 

Kickers are notoriously streaky. Sometimes streaky good, sometimes streaky bad, but I wouldn't confuse his current streak with expectations that this will be his baseline going forward. He's the same kicker who missed (for the Bears last year) 1/10 in the 30s, 4 of 7 in the 40s, and 2 XPs. 

Even when making them, it feels like every kick of his is an adventure. If we can't pick up someone better, ok fine I guess. But I don't see how he's the best kicker on earth who won't be under contract with another NFL team when FA starts. 

**** multiquote!

I don't know his actual status, but I think he only has 2 accrued years.  He only played during 2019 and this year.  I don't see how he could have accrued three seasons, but I don't always know the most updated information and the intracacies of the rules.  Jason at www.overthcap.com has him as UFA.

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27 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

**** multiquote!

I don't know his actual status, but I think he only has 2 accrued years.  He only played during 2019 and this year.  I don't see how he could have accrued three seasons, but I don't always know the most updated information and the intracacies of the rules.  Jason at www.overthcap.com has him as UFA.

Yeah he's not the only one. But ERFA or UFA who cares -- he'll never qualify as a UFA loss, and if the Jets offer him a minimum salary with $0 guaranteed - essentially no more than a camp invite - no one's outbidding us anyway.

2022 UFA kickers (2021 FGM/FGA):

  1. Folk (35/38), though he's only 39/44 on XPs
  2. Bullock (26/30). We picked him up off the street years ago when Folk was out. Missed that OT FG against us this year, but I'd take him over Pineiro easily, though.
  3. Hopkins (29/32), but also 37/41 on XPs
  4. Koo (25/27), perfect on XPs this year, and has been damn solid for 3 straight seasons, but also take into account he kicks in a dome
  5. Badgley (17/20). If we're going to keep a weak-legged kicker he should at least be automatic inside 40 (40/41 career) and on his XPs (122/127 career). But yeah, he kicks in a dome and (like Indy does this year) if we picked him up someone else has to handle KOs and longer FGs or we'll be punting on 4th & long from the 30. 
  6. Joseph (32/37); missed 4/37 XPs but his TB% has always been high. Don't know if that's because his STC thinks he kicks too low for return coverage or because they want him to. 
  7. Gay (31/33), 61/62 XPs in 2 yrs with the Rams; high TB%.
  8. Gonzalez (20/22); has a spotty history to say the least, but sometimes it just clicks for kickers & they become solid for years (e.g. Folk). Is that him this year, or is he going to get cut midseason in '22? 

I can't see simply handing Pineiro the job with all his low, weak kicks. As a fallback? OK I guess, and we've had worse, but I'd really like them to upgrade. 

Every one of the above upcoming FAs played for the veteran minimum in 2021, and surely at least one will want to test the market, so it seems silly to lock into Pineiro. 

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14 hours ago, Bleedin Green said:

Yeah, the Ammendola infatuation around here is absurd.  The guy can't hit a kick outside of 40 yards, but people are fawning over the supposedly strong leg that is incapable of putting the ball through the uprights?  As if every kicker in the league couldn't hit it further than they normally do if just blindly blasting it with no accuracy.  He sucked in college too, so not sure where this expectation is that this will magically change.  The guy came in ranked 41st in FG% this season, meaning there were at least 9 guys picked up off the street mid-season better than him this year (one of course being Pineiro).

I can understand the lack of certainty for Pineiro, but as has been shown repeatedly through the past 3 years with Douglas, there are always other kickers out there better than any of the guys he previously picked up, so desperately trying to double down on of his already proven failures would be pointless.  They could just as easily go with one of this year's undrafted rookies with a strong leg that might actually have the slightest bit of accuracy.

OMFG you forgot to factor in the Ceiling !!!! You know better than that ! :rolleyes:

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All I know is he's 7-7 if he keeps up good accuracy next year he probably keeps the damn job. If his range is inside 53 so be it if his accuracy is above average inside 50 where it actually counts. What's the percentage of all kicks from the different distances ? I bet kicks over 50 yards are in the 10 to 15 % range ( that's a guess) of over all kicks and with that being said a lot of teams in that distance are going for it on 4th down because its just not a high percentage kick. Just like the league is changing in other offensive areas its changing in the kicking game as well.

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1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said:

You sure he's an ERFA? He's been in the league since 2018 and two of two sites I looked at have him listed as a pure UFA.

I'd bring him back as a default start, but the kicks are both low and weak, and that seems less reliable over a long term (let alone when we really get our stormy, disgusting northeast weather that he's been immune from kicking in thus far). Two low kick FGs that I can recall, plus a blocked XP after Wilson's big run, and yes any shorter kicks that barely cleared the bar, don't give me a full season's confidence to just hand it to him and not look to upgrade. 

Kickers are notoriously streaky. Sometimes streaky good, sometimes streaky bad, but I wouldn't confuse his current streak with expectations that this will be his baseline going forward. He's the same kicker who missed (for the Bears last year) 1/10 in the 30s, 4 of 7 in the 40s, and 2 XPs. 

Even when making them, it feels like every kick of his is an adventure. If we can't pick up someone better, ok fine I guess. But I don't see how he's the best kicker on earth who won't be under contract with another NFL team when FA starts. 

 

39 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Yeah he's not the only one. But ERFA or UFA who cares -- he'll never qualify as a UFA loss, and if the Jets offer him a minimum salary with $0 guaranteed - essentially no more than a camp invite - no one's outbidding us anyway.

2022 UFA kickers (2021 FGM/FGA):

  1. Folk (35/38), though he's only 39/44 on XPs
  2. Bullock (26/30). We picked him up off the street years ago when Folk was out. Missed that OT FG against us this year, but I'd take him over Pineiro easily, though.
  3. Hopkins (29/32), but also 37/41 on XPs
  4. Koo (25/27), perfect on XPs this year, and has been damn solid for 3 straight seasons, but also take into account he kicks in a dome
  5. Badgley (17/20). If we're going to keep a weak-legged kicker he should at least be automatic inside 40 (40/41 career) and on his XPs (122/127 career). But yeah, he kicks in a dome and (like Indy does this year) if we picked him up someone else has to handle KOs and longer FGs or we'll be punting on 4th & long from the 30. 
  6. Joseph (32/37); missed 4/37 XPs but his TB% has always been high. Don't know if that's because his STC thinks he kicks too low for return coverage or because they want him to. 
  7. Gay (31/33), 61/62 XPs in 2 yrs with the Rams; high TB%.
  8. Gonzalez (20/22); has a spotty history to say the least, but sometimes it just clicks for kickers & they become solid for years (e.g. Folk). Is that him this year, or is he going to get cut midseason in '22? 

I can't see simply handing Pineiro the job with all his low, weak kicks. As a fallback? OK I guess, and we've had worse, but I'd really like them to upgrade. 

Every one of the above upcoming FAs played for the veteran minimum in 2021, and surely at least one will want to test the market, so it seems silly to lock into Pineiro. 

I can't see how he'd have accrued more than 2 seasons, but you're right that regardless of ERFA or UFA, they should have no trouble keeping him for cheap.

I totally agree though, there's no reason to lock into him for next season at all, as while he's regularly making kicks, you rarely have full faith while watching them either.  With a combination of any of the guys shaking free this year you mentioned, and next year's crop of undrafted rookies, competition will not be difficult to find for him.  If they find someone better then great, if he wins then so be it, but there's simply no reason Ammendola should be the competition, considering he's already been substantially worse than the guy we'd ideally like to replace.

Pineiro would simply serve as an insurance policy to hopefully avoid JD finding himself a 3rd 0% career kicker.

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