Jetsfan80 Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 29 minutes ago, JiFapono said: I really appreciate @Barry McCockinner's willingness to make the extra pass. Beautiful, selfless basketball. Reminds me of how Bellarmine College (one of the top teams in the nation in offensive efficiency despite only being in their 2nd season in D-I) plays ball: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 39 minutes ago, DetroitRed said: Probably our first since Revis Jamal in 2019. And Andre Roberts in 2018 as a returner. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Just now, Lith said: Jamal in 2019. And Andre Roberts in 2018 as a returner. @BornJetsFan1983 was probably super happy on the day the Jets let Roberts walk. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Rhg1084 said: congrats to him! Parsons hurts a bit. We went to 14 for AVT.... would have loved to move to #11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetluv58 Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 55 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said: Also incredibly depressing to see Wirfs on there and Becton is only part of the All Couch team. Don’t write him off yet. Big Ticket will return! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 2 hours ago, Rhg1084 said: congrats to him! Just another nail in the coffin for BornJetsFan1983 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 1 hour ago, mrcoops said: Berrios got 27 out of 50 votes for that spot. The rest of the NFL, combined, totalled 23 votes. Have we cut him yet? he's a free agent so who knows. hopefully the jets will be able to retain him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 But but but, I thought this kind of player is obsolete? Listen, I'm OLD, quit playing games with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post UntouchableCrew Posted January 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 14, 2022 Now that we're officially talking about moving Becton to RT it's fair for those of us (like me) who defended the pick to admit Wirfs should have been the pick. "Higher potential" doesn't mean much when you aren't playing. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 2 hours ago, JiFapono said: Is there someone that we should maybe like tag or something? Not sure. Possibly. Could be a decent idea. You want to pay Berrios the average of the top 5 WR's in the NFL? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcoops Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: Now that we're officially talking about moving Becton to RT it's fair for those of us (like me) who defended the pick to admit Wirfs should have been the pick. "Higher potential" doesn't mean much when you aren't playing. I always suspected the Jets really wanted Wills, who could have been a left or right tackle, but the Browns scooped him up right before our pick. Personally, I wanted Wills, Wirfs or Becton - I really didn't want Thomas. With hindsight, especially with how well Fant has played at LT, Wirfs absolutely should have been the pick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post IndianaJet Posted January 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 14, 2022 1 hour ago, ZachEY said: I know this is fake, but I want it to be so so real. 1 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 14 minutes ago, Warfish said: You want to pay Berrios the average of the top 5 WR's in the NFL? He meant tag a certain poster on the boards ... not tag Berrios! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Well this settles it. JD will set a salary limit, Jets won't meet it and he will return to NE. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, jamesr said: He meant tag a certain poster on the boards ... not tag Berrios! Oh, good, cause I nearly fell out of my chair.......that, or I thought maybe he didn't know "Kick Returner" isn't actually a position in the NFL when it comes to this, Berrios is a WR. Whew! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 1 hour ago, The Crusher said: Sexy BB will suffice. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Stupid sexy Berrios! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, Hex said: No personal attacks thanks . Yikes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 25 minutes ago, Warfish said: You want to pay Berrios the average of the top 5 WR's in the NFL? No, but he’d buy him fish tacos and give him a night he would never forget no matter how much therapy he got. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Pay the man, and even overpay the man. An "overpay" of someone like Braxton Berrios is infinitely better than overpaying guys who aren't even on the team anymore. If he's worth $5 million a year and he asks for $6 million, give him $6.5 million. This type of "overpay" is not what hampers the team. The extra $3 million added onto his contract is not breaking the bank. Ridiculous contracts like the ones given to CJ Mosely hamper the team even with Mosely playing well. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Reward a guy that has shown he can be successful in this market on this team 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsYanks13 Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Well deserved Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 52 minutes ago, Warfish said: Oh, good, cause I nearly fell out of my chair.......that, or I thought maybe he didn't know "Kick Returner" isn't actually a position in the NFL when it comes to this, Berrios is a WR. Whew! Technically, you CAN tag a Special Teams player (see below, from Overthecap.com). It just never happens. Largely because: 1) Generally it makes little sense to franchise tag a Kicker, Punter, or Long Snapper, and 2) The guys who might deserve a franchise tag, I.E. Kick Returners and Punt Returners, probably can't be franchise tagged as special teamers. But if we COULD tag Berrios as a special teamer instead of a WR, his $5.5M franchise tag value would be a great price. That might be where spotrac came up with his $5.9M per projected worth. 2022 Projected Franchise and Transition Tenders Position Franchise Tag Transition Tag QB $28,583,000 $25,641,000 DE $20,186,000 $16,622,000 WR $19,127,000 $16,740,000 LB $17,417,000 $14,882,000 CB $17,293,000 $14,903,000 DT $16,888,000 $13,596,000 OL $16,698,000 $14,997,000 S $13,543,000 $11,265,000 RB $12,523,000 $10,140,000 TE $10,834,000 $9,331,000 ST $5,469,000 $4,980,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Berrios makes first team All Pro Yeah, definitely not the type of player we need or want on the team. I think there was a thread about that or something... Congrats Berrios. Sign an extension, take a break, get back to work, and keep being a valuable player on the field. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, Embrace the Suck said: Congrats Berrios. Sign an extension, take a break, get back to work, and keep being a valuable player on the field. Those calves don't have the ability to take a break. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 15 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Technically, you CAN tag a Special Teams player (see below, from Overthecap.com). It just never happens. Largely because: 1) Generally it makes little sense to franchise tag a Kicker, Punter, or Long Snapper, and 2) The guys who might deserve a franchise tag, I.E. Kick Returners and Punt Returners, probably can't be franchise tagged as special teamers. But if we COULD tag Berrios as a special teamer instead of a WR, his $5.5M franchise tag value would be a great price. That might be where spotrac came up with his $5.9M per projected worth. 2022 Projected Franchise and Transition Tenders Position Franchise Tag Transition Tag QB $28,583,000 $25,641,000 DE $20,186,000 $16,622,000 WR $19,127,000 $16,740,000 LB $17,417,000 $14,882,000 CB $17,293,000 $14,903,000 DT $16,888,000 $13,596,000 OL $16,698,000 $14,997,000 S $13,543,000 $11,265,000 RB $12,523,000 $10,140,000 TE $10,834,000 $9,331,000 ST $5,469,000 $4,980,000 You’re a lot better at this type thing then I am, but he’s also Wilson’s security blanket WR. I don’t see him settling for $6m, do you? I said the other day I’d want 9-10 mil per if I were him. With the WR tag at 16, I think that’s a fair number for a dual threat like Berrios. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: Those calves don't have the ability to take a break. They're like Morty's arm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 10 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Technically, you CAN tag a Special Teams player (see below, from Overthecap.com). It just never happens. Largely because: 1) Generally it makes little sense to franchise tag a Kicker, Punter, or Long Snapper, and 2) The guys who might deserve a franchise tag, I.E. Kick Returners and Punt Returners, probably can't be franchise tagged as special teamers. But if we COULD tag Berrios as a special teamer instead of a WR, his $5.5M franchise tag value would be a great price. That might be where spotrac came up with his $5.9M per projected worth. 2022 Projected Franchise and Transition Tenders Position Franchise Tag Transition Tag QB $28,583,000 $25,641,000 DE $20,186,000 $16,622,000 WR $19,127,000 $16,740,000 LB $17,417,000 $14,882,000 CB $17,293,000 $14,903,000 DT $16,888,000 $13,596,000 OL $16,698,000 $14,997,000 S $13,543,000 $11,265,000 RB $12,523,000 $10,140,000 TE $10,834,000 $9,331,000 ST $5,469,000 $4,980,000 Special Teamer is, I believe by the CBA, limited to kickers, punters and long snappers who play no other positions. All Kick Returners are officially WR's or (very rarely) RB's or DB's. Not Special Teamers. I could be wrong, and I'll be honest, I'm not resea4rching the language of the CBA to prove it right or wrong, lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 11 minutes ago, Green Ghost said: You’re a lot better at this type thing then I am, but he’s also Wilson’s security blanket WR. I don’t see him settling for $6m, do you? I said the other day I’d ask for 9-10 mil per if I were him. It's all a matter of what he and his agent can get on the open market. Douglas doesn't need to be negotiating against himself. Can Berrios' agent convince another team out there he's worth $9-10M per, even after the season he had? I doubt it. Even high-end slot receivers don't tend to make THAT much. I think Tyler Boyd is the highest-paid pure slot guy on the market, and he "only" makes $10.8M per. Randall Cobb is next at $9M, then Cole Beasley at $7.25M. Just look at what happened with Jamison Crowder. He took a paycut to come back here, of all places, because he knew his value was limited on the open market. And yes, I know he's older and doesn't provide much value on specials, but you get the point. Berrios' value as a receiver would have to drive his price point. His versatility would be secondary to that. But yes, $6M is now a low price for him. I think $6.0-$6.5M is the starting point, with $7-7.5M being the top end of what he could get here or elsewhere. I don't think anyone is giving him $8M or more per. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 12 minutes ago, Warfish said: Special Teamer is, I believe by the CBA, limited to kickers, punters and long snappers who play no other positions. All Kick Returners are officially WR's or (very rarely) RB's or DB's. Not Special Teamers. I could be wrong, and I'll be honest, I'm not resea4rching the language of the CBA to prove it right or wrong, lol. I think you're 100 % right on that, otherwise a high-end KR/PR (like Devin Hester) would probably have gotten franchise tagged by now. I don't think we've ever seen that happen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 11 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: It's all a matter of what he and his agent can get on the open market. Douglas doesn't need to be negotiating against himself. Can Berrios' agent convince another team out there he's worth $9-10M per, even after the season he had? I doubt it. But yes, $6M is now a low price for him. I think $6.0-$6.5M is the starting point, with $7-7.5M being the top end of what he could get here or elsewhere. I don't think anyone is giving him $8M or more per. It will be a really bad look if JD let’s him walk, but it’s not easy to put a value on a player like this. I would’ve thought he’s a 6-7m WR alone for this team, but the All Pro KR thing has to add something? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, Green Ghost said: It will be a really bad look if JD let’s him walk. Its not easy to put a value on a player like this. I would’ve thought he’s a 6-7m WR alone for this team, but the All Pro KR thing has to add something? Douglas won't get played. I imagine he'll want him back AND will simultaneously have a good idea of what the market is dictating Berrios' worth to be. My guess is Berrios' agent finds out he maxes out as about a $7M a year player, so Douglas ends up paying right at that number or slightly higher. If it goes as high as $8M, I won't be thrilled with that but it wouldn't be the end of the world. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 He's a high quality special teams guy and a #4 or #5WR... He should be paid accordingly. Make him an aggressive but fair offer for that type of player and let him go out and beat it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: He's a high quality special teams guy and a #4 or #5WR... He should be paid accordingly. Make him an aggressive but fair offer for that type of player and let him go out and beat it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 12 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Douglas won't get played. I imagine he'll want him back AND will simultaneously have a good idea of what the market is dictating Berrios' worth to be. My guess is Berrios' agent finds out he maxes out as about a $7M a year player, so Douglas ends up paying right at that number or slightly higher. If it goes as high as $8M, I won't be thrilled with that but it wouldn't be the end of the world. 8 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: He's a high quality special teams guy and a #4 or #5WR... He should be paid accordingly. Make him an aggressive but fair offer for that type of player and let him go out and beat it. You two both make very good points, but at some point the Jets need to reward the players who actually play well here. Another thing none of us have mentioned is how bad a team we are. Like it or not we have to pay a bit of a premium to retain or acquire FAs. If I were Berrios and I had comparable offers from us and a playoff level team, I’m going to the team that is a winner, I’m not signing with the doormat. BTW @FidelioJet Berrios is no way the #4 or 5 WR on this team. It’s unfair to say that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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