Popular Post FidelioJet Posted January 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2022 I'm reading all of these threads about how so many people were wrong about Allen... I would love to go back and read all posts for his first two seasons about how much of a bust he was.... Have the courage to have faith! 9 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jeremy2020 Posted January 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: I'm reading all of these threads about how so many people were wrong about Allen... I would love to go back and read all posts for his first two seasons about how much of a bust he was.... Have some faith! Are you really trying to make the argument that Wilson isn't bad because Allen's stats were bad in his rookie season? Allen is an extreme outlier based on his rookie season. There's literally no other examples. 9 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 I thought Allen was going to be irrelevant after his first year. I was wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PS17 Posted January 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2022 Allen is an extreme outlier. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Just now, PS17 said: Allen is an extreme outlier. Indeed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Beerfish Posted January 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2022 Now who are you talking about exactly? I assume it is . Sanchez, Geno, Hackenburg, Darnold ,Wilson? 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted January 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2022 We should stick Zach into that machine that turned little Stevie Rogers into Captain America and he, too, could become Josh Allen 1 1 1 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 29 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: Are you really trying to make the argument that Wilson isn't bad because Allen's stats were bad in his rookie season? Allen is an extreme outlier based on his rookie season. There's literally no other examples. Josh Allen did not look that great his first season. They built an offense around him, he improved, and look where he is now. People don't need to take extremes because something is said. I am sceptical about Zac, but I was about Allen as well. I thought the Bills wasted a pick. NOBODY improves pass completion stats from college to the pros the way he has. But alas. But if they keep building around Zach, who knows. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 7 minutes ago, T0mShane said: We should stick Zach into that machine that turned little Stevie Rogers into Captain America and he, too, could become Josh Allen Yes because all good QBs look and play the same way. just figure out a way to develop a good one before I die 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 8 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said: Josh Allen did not look that great his first season. They built an offense around him, he improved, and look where he is now. People don't need to take extremes because something is said. I am sceptical about Zac, but I was about Allen as well. I thought the Bills wasted a pick. NOBODY improves pass completion stats from college to the pros the way he has. But alas. But if they keep building around Zach, who knows. The point being.. it's been done once. This idea that QB having really, really bad seasons is reason to think they won't be bad.. is silly. Allen's improvement is not a repeatable thing.. we know that because he's the only example. That being said, as I and others have argued, the Jets did a piss poor job giving Wilson a chance given the realities of skills, abilities, experience and the situation of the team and they need to rectify that this offseason so they don't end up repeating "Darnold Year 3" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slimjasi Posted January 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: The point being.. it's been done once. This idea that QB having really, really bad seasons is reason to think they won't be bad.. is silly. Allen's improvement is not a repeatable thing.. we know that because he's the only example. But the thing is - most QBs bust, regardless of their rookie year. That’s the statistical bottom line. sure, if you are Marino or Herbert and light it up right away, you are probably gonna be a baller. But the vast majority of guys are somewhere in between historically bad and historically good in their first year, so it’s really hard to go too crazy over a rookie struggling. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 I'm reading all of these threads about how so many people were wrong about Allen... I would love to go back and read all posts for his first two seasons about how much of a bust he was.... Have the courage to have faith!Wanna know something ironic? I said multiple times I felt his was the highest ceiling of his draft class. What I wonder more is how you look at Josh Allen and even think to compare Zach Wilson. Josh Allen is the prototype of what you look for if you’re taking a kid from 2nd tier colleges. Insane measurables and an ability to make plays with their legs. Comparing Zach Wilson to Josh Allen is like comparing Danny Devito to Arnold Schwarzenegger in Twins. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 3 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hal N of Provo Posted January 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2022 Wilson is elusive, with a quick release and a strong arm. He’s smart, spends time at his craft, and is getting better at reading defenses by the week. He will be the FQB and some fans will always be haters lol 7 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 31 minutes ago, Hal N of Provo said: Wilson is elusive, with a quick release and a strong arm. He’s smart, spends time at his craft, and is getting better at reading defenses by the week. He will be the FQB and some fans will always be haters lol Or he won’t, and you and Fido will go on and on about how it was everyone’s fault but his. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, Green Ghost said: Or he won’t, and you and Fido will go on and on about how it was everyone’s fault but his. until they draft Zach Darnold who put up an impressively bad rookie season, but it the next magical savior.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtnelson Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 It's almost like Allen wasn't on a great team and didn't have a #1 receiver coming from a smaller school and had trouble adjusting to the NFL immediately. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastMole Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 2 hours ago, FidelioJet said: I would love to go back and read all posts for his first two seasons about how much of a bust he was.... Indeed, in his first season Allen's Won-Loss Record was 5-6, 10 TDs to 12 Ints., QB rating of 67.9, Completion% of 52,8. Does that sound like somebody on the road to Canton ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolder Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 I love chicken littles! I know they're pretty much just a chicken strip made into a sandwich but they're cheap and pretty tasty. KFC has a surprising amount of things that are pretty good besides just the regular chicken has anyone here tried their fries? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Ryan Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 6 hours ago, PS17 said: Allen is an extreme outlier. Outlier of what? Being way better than Darnold and Zach Wilson? I agree 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Ryan Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 5 hours ago, Hal N of Provo said: Wilson is elusive, with a quick release and a strong arm. He’s smart, spends time at his craft, and is getting better at reading defenses by the week. He will be the FQB and some fans will always be haters lol Zach Wilson reminds me a lot of Kellen Clemens and JP Losman “oh my God look at his throws!” Give me a break, the kid is mediocre at best 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Jet Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 6 hours ago, slimjasi said: Yes because all good QBs look and play the same way. just figure out a way to develop a good one before I die The funniest part of this whole thing is the supposed GOAT football player, Tom Brady, was indeed developed over time. He’s nowhere near the same qb that won those first 3 SBs 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 7 hours ago, T0mShane said: We should stick Zach into that machine that turned little Stevie Rogers into Captain America and he, too, could become Josh Allen Yet, here’s what we’re stuck with in year 1. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 7 hours ago, FidelioJet said: I'm reading all of these threads about how so many people were wrong about Allen... I would love to go back and read all posts for his first two seasons about how much of a bust he was.... Have the courage to have faith! He’s big, fast hard to bring down, runs like a buffalo. We get to face him twice a year….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 6 hours ago, Hal N of Provo said: Wilson is elusive, with a quick release and a strong arm. He’s smart, spends time at his craft, and is getting better at reading defenses by the week. He will be the FQB and some fans will always be haters lol We hope you’re right…. But the Jets have ruined many a QB. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Integrity28 Posted January 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2022 You know, when you think about it, everything that happens in the NFL truly does come back to being about the Jets really. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 6 hours ago, Snell41 said: Wanna know something ironic? I said multiple times I felt his was the highest ceiling of his draft class. What I wonder more is how you look at Josh Allen and even think to compare Zach Wilson. Josh Allen is the prototype of what you look for if you’re taking a kid from 2nd tier colleges. Insane measurables and an ability to make plays with their legs. Comparing Zach Wilson to Josh Allen is like comparing Danny Devito to Arnold Schwarzenegger in Twins. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app aren't Romo, Mahomes, Warner from 2nd tier schools? Playing QB in the NFL is like having a kid, they are all different and can all be great in their own way if the underlying talent is there. Wilson has elite traits, which were on display this year. His release, his escapability, not watching the rush, keeping eyes downfield, so much to be happy with as far as potential. He got no help from this team. His issues this year were mechanics, and processing / the speed of the game, he tried to play backyard football when the game got too fast for him, and in the NFL that's not like in college...esp when you are throwing to guys who cant separate much. So the question is, can Wilson do enough to get better, can the jets make it easier for him by protecting him and giving him guys that can catch a sh*t throw once in a while? i dont know the answers to any of these things...but the notion that you need to be 6'5 because you came from Delaware is nonsense. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docdhc Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Ray Ryan said: Zach Wilson reminds me a lot of Kellen Clemens and JP Losman “oh my God look at his throws!” Give me a break, the kid is mediocre at best I don’t remember anyone being wowed by Kellen Clemens. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JustInFudge Posted January 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2022 Hi, my name is JiFapono. I called Josh Allen, Vince Young after his first 2 seasons in the NFL and I feel shame. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 From reading this thread so far, I guess Josh Allen is the only player in NFL history that has gotten significantly better from his rookie season, so that makes him an outlier? Am I reading this correctly? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, section314 said: From reading this thread so far, I guess Josh Allen is the only player in NFL history that has gotten significantly better from his rookie season, so that makes him an outlier? Am I reading this correctly? Correct. No one has gotten better after their rookie season. It can’t be done. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreened Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 I didn’t want to draft Allen at all. He was my QB4 in that class. Woops I also didn’t want to draft Wilson at all. So let’s hope it works out better this time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68JET11 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 You can't teach 6'5 240 lbs and runs like a TE at the QB position. He needed to learn the NFL just like most QB's do. ZW will never be 6'5 and 240 lbs, but that doesn't mean you couldn't see the progress he made after the first 5 games. He played like he never should have been on the football field in those 5 games, and the coaching staff should have waited to trout him out there. BUT, he got better. No, he's not close to what he needs to be, but you can see the signs of learning. This year is over, and what's done is done. Zach will take some rest and I'm sure get back to work. He has some really good traits. Once our OL is settled and can play 17 weeks together, and we add our Diggs, and a good TE, you'll see that he'll be better. ML is a good OC, and I'm sure ZW will be ok once we fill in the pieces, like the Bills did for JA. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Good thread. Lance has the physical tools that Allen has. He’s going to be a beast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Zachtomims47 said: Correct. No one has gotten better after their rookie season. It can’t be done. Thanks for helping me clarify that early on a Sunday morning. Thought I might be reading it wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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