undertow Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 9 minutes ago, slimjasi said: Same for me. Started to lose interest in the Yankees in the mid 2000s. I loved those years and lived at the stadium in the 90's......I still can't believe they tore that place down what a mistake. I went to the new place once and completely lost interest around that time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Jet Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Sonny Werblin said: 4 Jets vs Fins Jets v Broncos Jets v Colts Jets v Steelers I stand corrected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vader Posted January 18, 2022 Author Share Posted January 18, 2022 4 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said: I don't really get the "woe is me" Jets fan. I get the frustration. I don't get the fans who seemingly enjoy wallowing in misery. There's kind of a self loathing masochistic thing to it I don't get. That’s your coping mechanism UT. Just realizing how long it’s been so bad, and the total lack of anything to show for it. Call it like it is, or call it what you want. Doesn’t change the facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Willie White Shoes Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 The Jets have had some very successful runs that came up short of a title. The 14 seasons from 97-10 were quite good. 7 playoff appearances (98, 01, 02, 04, 06, 09, 10). 16 playoff games. 9 playoff wins. 3 AFC title appearances (98, 09, 10). Only 3 losing seasons out of 14(03, 05, 07). Three seasons missing the playoffs in the last game (97, 00, 08). The 80s were very similar. The past 10 years have been like the 70s - awful. But like the 70s, the team is building through the draft and hopefully things turn around. I'm not playing the woe is me game. I personally have no control over whether the Jets win or lose. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said: The Jets have had some very successful runs that came up short of a title. The 14 seasons from 97-10 were quite good. 7 playoff appearances (98, 01, 02, 04, 06, 09, 10). 16 playoff games. 9 playoff wins. 3 AFC title appearances (98, 09, 10). Only 3 losing seasons out of 14(03, 05, 07). Three seasons missing the playoffs in the last game (97, 00, 08). The 80s were very similar. The past 10 years have been like the 70s - awful. But like the 70s, the team is building through the draft and hopefully things turn around. I'm not playing the woe is me game. I personally have no control over whether the Jets win or lose. I'm glad you mentioned the bolded. The total number of playoff appearances in that stretch should have easily been 10 - epic collapses at the end of 1997 (started 8-4 and lost 3 of last 4), 2000 (started 6-1 and 9-4 - lost last 3 games), and 2008 (started 8-3, lost 4 out of last 5). You could also make an argument for 1993. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastMole Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 6 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said: I don't really get the "woe is me" Jets fan. I get the frustration. I don't get the fans who seemingly enjoy wallowing in misery. There's kind of a self loathing masochistic thing to it I don't get. The anger is justified Untouchable. Over the long haul the Jets are arguably the worst team in the NFL. Especially now that the Brownies now hoisting themselves in to pseudo-respectability. They were the only competition for the cellar the Jets had ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, WestCoastMole said: The anger is justified Untouchable. Over the long haul the Jets are arguably the worst team in the NFL. Especially now that the Brownies now hoisting themselves in to pseudo-respectability. They were the only competition for the cellar the Jets had ! The Lions would like a word 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Vader said: That’s your coping mechanism UT. Just realizing how long it’s been so bad, and the total lack of anything to show for it. Call it like it is, or call it what you want. Doesn’t change the facts. I'm not disputing the facts. I'm aware of the Jets history. I just think the "can you believe we've only won two division titles since the merger!" threads are odd. We all know the history -- wallowing in self-pity doesn't change anything and it's not something I find appealing. That's clearly not the case for many Jets fans who seem to enjoy it. 3 minutes ago, WestCoastMole said: The anger is justified Untouchable. Over the long haul the Jets are arguably the worst team in the NFL. Especially now that the Brownies now hoisting themselves in to pseudo-respectability. They were the only competition for the cellar the Jets had ! They're really not. If you ranked every franchise in the NFL we're honestly probably somewhere in like the 24 range out of 32 in terms of Super Bowl era tenure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Willie White Shoes Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 30 minutes ago, slimjasi said: I'm glad you mentioned the bolded. The total number of playoff appearances in that stretch should have easily been 10 - epic collapses at the end of 1997 (started 8-4 and lost 3 of last 4), 2000 (started 6-1 and 9-4 - lost last 3 games), and 2008 (started 8-3, lost 4 out of last 5). You could also make an argument for 1993. People are pining for 2015, but seasons like 2015 were extreme disappointments from 97-10. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said: People are pining for 2015, but seasons like 2015 were extreme disappointments from 97-10. Yes. the last game of 2015 basically ruined the Todd Bowles era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 These “woe are me” threads are tiresome. They had their own stadium, Shea. Most NFL teams in that era that were in cities with MLB teams shared stadiums with the baseball team as the main tenant. The Rams,Chargers and Giants also currently share stadiums. These threads are embarrassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Just now, JetsFanatic said: These “woe are me” threads are tiresome. The had their own stadium, Shea. Most NFL teams in that era that were in cities with MLB teams played in those stadiums. The Rams,Chargers and Giants also share stadiums. These threads are embarrassing. Isn't it more embarrassing that the Jets have only won two AFC East titles since the merger? That's just impossibly bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 minute ago, slimjasi said: Isn't it more embarrassing that the Jets have only won two AFC East titles since the merger? That's just impossibly bad. Much more significant than their stadium situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastMole Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said: The Jets have had some very successful runs that came up short of a title. The 14 seasons from 97-10 were quite good. 7 playoff appearances (98, 01, 02, 04, 06, 09, 10). 16 playoff games. 9 playoff wins. 3 AFC title appearances (98, 09, 10). Only 3 losing seasons out of 14(03, 05, 07). Three seasons missing the playoffs in the last game (97, 00, 08). The 80s were very similar. The past 10 years have been like the 70s - awful. But like the 70s, the team is building through the draft and hopefully things turn around. I'm not playing the woe is me game. I personally have no control over whether the Jets win or lose. The Team sucked during the 70s because the new ownership didn't give a rats pahtudy about what the team did on the field as long as they received their share of the TV Revenue. Round about 1977 Leon Hess decided the filthy green stuff wasn't enough and had stirrings to build a winner. So he bought out Helen Dillion and the other partner (whose name escapes me). The Walt Michaels Era taught him its not as easy as it looks. Walt was the coach that was totally committed to the Jets and after Richard Todd served up that melon to AJ Duhe in the play off game Walt resolved to end this situation one way or another. So Walt put half a bag on and stormed over to Jim Kensil's (JET GM) house and flew into a tirade ! "I want Marino ....I want Marino ....I want Marino ....I want Marino . The Dolphins drafted Marino, the Jets Draft Ken O'Brien and Walt's tenure with the Jets ended. Kensil and Hess ushered Walt out and in came Joe Walton. The coach that wore his hat like Spanky of "Spanky and Our Gang" Comedies. The team had some success based upon the talent they had assembled over the years but never won an AFC Championship. The team floundered about until Hess got the bug again and in came Parcells. Parcells was the master of the quick turn around. He knew exactly what to do to get talent in the building quick. And it involved mortgaging the future of the team. But that was what Hess wanted as he was in failing health. He wanted a winner before he Punched Out. After Parcells came up short in the AFC Championship Game he told Hess he was moving on. At that time Hess, on his death bed. He pleaded with and pawwed at Bellichek to take over the team. He even gave Mumbles a sizable payment to consumate the deal which Mumbles accepted. Hess died, Parcell's resigned, and Mumbles tendered his resignation on a napkin at an acceptance dinner. I feel bad for the fans but I state without equivocation LEON HESS GOT EVERYTHING HE DESERVED ! ! ! And now it appears that Woody Johnson is heading down the same road taking the NY Jet Fan Base with him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastMole Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 46 minutes ago, slimjasi said: The Lions would like a word The Lions didn't have a half bad record prior to the NFL-AFL merger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Just now, WestCoastMole said: The Lions didn't have a half bad record prior to the NFL-AFL merger Ahh, ok. I'm strictly talking since the Merger (in the spirt of the thread). If you go before the merger than teams like the Browns and Bears look a whole lot better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facts Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 7 hours ago, slimjasi said: Having only 2 division titles in our history is probably the most pathetic of all these numbers. It has been a combination of being a really bad franchise and having terrible luck. Our division has had Shula+Marino, Levy+Kelly, Belichick+Brady, and now McDermott+Allen. Every other team in our division has had an era in which they completely dominated the AFC East. Apparently, our turn was skipped over, as the Bills are doing it again. I always wonder if we will ever get to know what that is like. @SAR I always talks in terms of windows. When is our window? EDIT: Now that I think about it, where has SAR been?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vader Posted January 19, 2022 Author Share Posted January 19, 2022 3 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said: I'm not disputing the facts. I'm aware of the Jets history. I just think the "can you believe we've only won two division titles since the merger!" threads are odd. We all know the history -- wallowing in self-pity doesn't change anything and it's not something I find appealing. That's clearly not the case for many Jets fans who seem to enjoy it. Enjoyment isn’t a word I would use. And I also don’t think fans recognize just how historically bad this stretch is. It’s pathetic and should be unacceptable to the fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Willie White Shoes Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 41 minutes ago, WestCoastMole said: The Team sucked during the 70s because the new ownership didn't give a rats pahtudy about what the team did on the field as long as they received their share of the TV Revenue. Round about 1977 Leon Hess decided the filthy green stuff wasn't enough and had stirrings to build a winner. So he bought out Helen Dillion and the other partner (whose name escapes me). The Walt Michaels Era taught him its not as easy as it looks. Walt was the coach that was totally committed to the Jets and after Richard Todd served up that melon to AJ Duhe in the play off game Walt resolved to end this situation one way or another. So Walt put half a bag on and stormed over to Jim Kensil's (JET GM) house and flew into a tirade ! "I want Marino ....I want Marino ....I want Marino ....I want Marino . The Dolphins drafted Marino, the Jets Draft Ken O'Brien and Walt's tenure with the Jets ended. Kensil and Hess ushered Walt out and in came Joe Walton. The coach that wore his hat like Spanky of "Spanky and Our Gang" Comedies. The team had some success based upon the talent they had assembled over the years but never won an AFC Championship. The team floundered about until Hess got the bug again and in came Parcells. Parcells was the master of the quick turn around. He knew exactly what to do to get talent in the building quick. And it involved mortgaging the future of the team. But that was what Hess wanted as he was in failing health. He wanted a winner before he Punched Out. After Parcells came up short in the AFC Championship Game he told Hess he was moving on. At that time Hess, on his death bed. He pleaded with and pawwed at Bellichek to take over the team. He even gave Mumbles a sizable payment to consumate the deal which Mumbles accepted. Hess died, Parcell's resigned, and Mumbles tendered his resignation on a napkin at an acceptance dinner. I feel bad for the fans but I state without equivocation LEON HESS GOT EVERYTHING HE DESERVED ! ! ! And now it appears that Woody Johnson is heading down the same road taking the NY Jet Fan Base with him. This took a lot of effort. I would like to fill in the blanks and correct some points. Phil Iselin was the other owner in the 1970s and he was a tight wad. Because of this, the Jets lost key players like Biggs and Riggins in an era when there was no reason for teams to lose players. The 70s were mainly bad because though because the Jets drafted horribly. Go back and look at the drafts. The team went on the upswing in the late 70s with some great drafts, particularly in the trenches. Klecko, Gastineau, Lyons, Powell, Fields, Ward. Add in some skill players as well - Walker, McNeil, Shuler, Barkum, Gafney. Michaels was a great coach and could have won a Super Bowl with that team he helped build. He was not fired because he wanted Marino though. He "resigned" in early February 1983 after the Mud Bowl debacle, well before the '83 draft. He lost it after that game and got drunk and belligerent on the plane home (justifiably in many Jets fans view). He also was dealing with a dying mother at the same time. The Jets forced him out shortly after that game because of his personal issues (alcohol abuse). Plus, Walton was the hot coordinator at the time and was being considered for other openings. In retrospect, it would have been better to let Walton go and deal with Michaels' issues, but...... The Jets slipped under Walton in 83 and 84, but were very good in 85 and 86 and came up short in the playoffs each year. Then the defense got old in a hurry, the league was hit by labor issues and Walton was not a good coach. Things fell apart from 87-89. Parcells didn't want to quit after losing to the Broncos in 98. Elway retired after that season and the Jets were the favorite in 99. Then came Testaverde's achilles injury. Belichick was being courted by the Raiders after 98 and Hess gave him the largest contract ever for an Asst Coach to stay. Then Hess died. Parcells abruptly quit after the 99 season as coach, but stayed on as GM - leading to the Belichick debacle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 9 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said: I will say that I truly believe that when the Jets finally break through, the following few years will not seem as fun. The chase of the title is the fun part. The ups and downs, that’s what makes sports fun. As a fan of the Dodgers, my whole life they had been pretty good, but never won until 2020. Last year I probably watched 1/3 of the amount of games I did on average for the previous decade. My entire extended family is all Cubs fans. To a person they’ve told me practically the same thing. That elation for the title lasts maybe a week. Then it’s not quite the same. Embrace the chase, it’s what makes it fun, even when it’s not so fun. I disagree….. when the NY Rangers won in in 94, i was on a cloud for 10 years. Now I’m just frustrated again. This is not a chase…. It’s an embarrassment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Facts said: @SAR I always talks in terms of windows. When is our window? EDIT: Now that I think about it, where has SAR been?! He's probably taking a break from the board, along with @jgb Probably for better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Rasmussen Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 [mention=9488]SAR I[/mention] always talks in terms of windows. When is our window? EDIT: Now that I think about it, where has SAR been?!Probably trying to figure out if PSLs are Investment GoldSent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 DAMNIT I was here for the groupies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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