UntouchableCrew Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 9 minutes ago, Matt39 said: He had 19 sacks in 3 years in the PAC 12. I feel like that's not as bad as you're making it seem, especially considering the Pac-12 played like 5 games in 2020. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 18 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: Trading up? Are you crazy? This affects us in the sense that teams who want the top QB in the draft will likely want to get to 3 instead of waiting to trade with us at 4. It impacts our potential ability to trade down. It's still good news IF there is a QB hungry team looking to move into the top 5. Jags take a tackle, someone trades up to 3 and takes a QB, and we get one of the top two edge rushers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 minute ago, ZachEY said: I'm curious what your best, and 2nd best case scenario, for the Jets in this draft is. I don’t know yet to be honest. Oregon guy seems like a flake and the Purdue edge didn’t have great production. Neal from Alabama is safe, but how many more linemen can you take? it’s cliche but a trade out from 4 right now looks like the best move. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Just now, slimjasi said: It's still good news IF there is a QB hungry team looking to move into the top 5. Jags take a tackle, someone trades up to 3 and takes a QB, and we get one of the top two edge rushers. True, true. I have a hard time seeing a scenario where Hutchinson and Thibideoux don't go 1-2... And if I'm being honest I don't think anyone trades to 3 for a QB. But that is a possible scenario. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 minute ago, UntouchableCrew said: I feel like that's not as bad as you're making it seem, especially considering the Pac-12 played like 5 games in 2020. It’s not terrible. He’s not an elite prospect though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Just now, UntouchableCrew said: True, true. I have a hard time seeing a scenario where Hutchinson and Thibideoux don't go 1-2... And if I'm being honest I don't think anyone trades to 3 for a QB. But that is a possible scenario. Agreed. My only hesitation is with Jacksonville. The Jags desperately need to give TLaw some help and they have already gone edge in the 1st round in recent years. They already have a decent pass rush. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Matt39 said: I don’t know yet to be honest. Oregon guy seems like a flake and the Purdue edge didn’t have great production. Neal from Alabama is safe, but how many more linemen can you take? it’s cliche but a trade out from 4 right now looks like the best move. I still think that if Hamilton has a good pre draft process, and his medicals check out, that will be the guy we get calls about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGDIRK Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, IndianaJet said: No one in this draft is worth trading up from 4 to 3. Agreed. What team isn’t open for business to trade back in this draft, lol? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 minute ago, section314 said: I still think that if Hamilton has a good pre draft process, and his medicals check out, that will be the guy we get calls about. Giving up major assets to move into the top 5 for a safety? Yeah . . . I don't see that happening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, slimjasi said: Agreed. My only hesitation is with Jacksonville. The Jags desperately need to give TLaw some help and they have already gone edge in the 1st round in recent years. They already have a decent pass rush. I'm not convinced Neal is as good of a prospect as many seem to. He checks boxes but Alabama's line has really struggled this year. There's part of me that thinks it's possible that Ekwonu or Cross end up going ahead of him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 minute ago, UntouchableCrew said: I'm not convinced Neal is as good of a prospect as many seem to. He checks boxes but Alabama's line has really struggled this year. There's part of me that thinks it's possible that Ekwonu or Cross end up going ahead of him. I've heard a lot of people say this lately. Very interesting. I haven't looked carefully at the tackles yet because I want no part of the Jets taking a tackle with a top 10 pick this year, but there is definitely some buzz to the idea that Neal my be overrated. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said: Why not? Using 3 of them has had such great rewards. Actually wait -- they did draft 4 of them. This would be their 5th OL pick in round 1 over 8 seasons if they pulled that trigger lmao. 2015 - #28 - G - Laken Tomlinson 2016 - #16 - T - Taylor Decker 2018 - #20 - C - Frank Ragnow 2021 - #7 - T - Penei Sewell Like 2003-2005 when they drafted WRs 3 years in a row with their round 1 picks at slots #2, #7, and #10 so Joey Harrington would have elite wepponz to throw to. Then again two years after that; at least they finally landed an all-time great with a fourth top 10 WR pick in 6 drafts in Calvin Johnson, and two years later came Stafford. Lots of yards, but not a lot to show for it in terms of team success, though. Three WC losses in a 6 yr span from '11-'16 was like their post-Barry heyday. What a bunch of ****ing idiots. But yeah, teh "super unit" lol. your right i forgot about that cause i was just thinking of who was on the team now. i think one went to SF. i wonder if they send Detroit a thank you for drafting and developing a OL for them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 9 minutes ago, slimjasi said: Giving up major assets to move into the top 5 for a safety? Yeah . . . I don't see that happening. I see your point. However, if this kid is the athlete that people think he is and is the player many think he is, a true game changer, it could happen. Put it this way, would you trade up to the top 5 to get Ed Reed? I'm only using him because I've read stuff where people compare the two. I don't think I would do it, more making the case for why somebody might. It would have to be a team with a killer front 7 that needs a playmaker in the back end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, doitny said: does Jax pass on one of these guys just because they draft one the last 2 years. if one is so great, can they pass him up and for who? the OL ? This is basically my dream scenario. If Jax believes that Neal is a franchise caliber LT, it’s a move that makes a lot of sense for them to protect Lawrence. You’ve got people here advocating that type of move for the Jets, even though this team has gone OL in the first round the last two years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Aussie Jet Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, JerseyJoe67 said: I'm hoping Pittsburgh falls in love with one of the QB's and we trade out of the 4th spot. Reading reports that suggest they're happy with Rudolph being their starter next year. I personally don't believe that to be the case, since Rudolph is not very good, but they're trying to play down expectations that they're in to draft a QB high in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Just now, Aussie Jet said: Reading reports that suggest they're happy with Rudolph being their starter next year. I personally don't believe that to be the case, since Rudolph is not very good, but they're trying to play down expectations that they're in to draft a QB high in the draft. Surprised to read that ... the reports I read just the other day were suggesting they wouldn't even allow him to join in any reindeer games. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wit Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Houston is probably trading Watson to the giants or eagles, they will have some major capital in this draft. I can see them trading down to pick up some seconds or future firsts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Origen said: Thing about Thibs is all he has done is meet huge expectations all the way thru. #1 high school recruit for college to now the probable #1 pick for the NFL. That in itself is impressive. If he was available at 4 I would not even wait for the timer to start counting down before sending in the pick. Agreed. However, I feel like Jacksonville and Detroit both need a solid pass rusher, so even if he makes it past one he probably won't make it past the other one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut Jet Penalty Makers Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, JerseyJoe67 said: I'm hoping Pittsburgh falls in love with one of the QB's and we trade out of the 4th spot. I see Pickett going there. They will do whatever it takes to get him as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymangold Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Not gonna lie, I’m not too high in thibs or hutch. I def wouldn’t trade up 1 spot for either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, slimjasi said: Giving up major assets to move into the top 5 for a safety? Yeah . . . I don't see that happening. See Seattle Seahawks. Hamilton is one of the few prospects in this draft that is an elite level kind of talent. If he tests and interviews well a team that thinks he's the missing piece just might. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: See Seattle Seahawks. Hamilton is one of the few prospects in this draft that is an elite level kind of talent. If he tests and interviews well a team that thinks he's the missing piece just might. I’ll believe it when I see it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, slimjasi said: I’ll believe it when I see it Don't get me wrong. I highly doubt it happens. Trading down is wishful thinking, but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, slimjasi said: Agreed. My only hesitation is with Jacksonville. The Jags desperately need to give TLaw some help and they have already gone edge in the 1st round in recent years. They already have a decent pass rush. My own opinion - at this early stage - is the Jags take Neal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 24 minutes ago, Cut Jet Penalty Makers said: I see Pickett going there. They will do whatever it takes to get him as well. Pittburgh needs to give the Jets 950 points to move up to 4 in exchange for 20. Their 2022 2 is worth 380. Assume that is what their 2023 1 is worth. Add the 2022 3 too and call it a day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 3 hours ago, Rhg1084 said: If Hutchinson or Thibs is there at pick 3 would it be worth trading up for? What would the compensation look like trading up one spot in the draft? Of course, already have best QB of the draft last year. Go freaking figure 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 3 hours ago, doitny said: i dont think we would have too. what other teams would give up for that pick there not doing it for the 2nd best Edge. there doing that to beat the Giants to a QB. Bingo .. you win 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCJet Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, UntouchableCrew said: True, true. I have a hard time seeing a scenario where Hutchinson and Thibideoux don't go 1-2... And if I'm being honest I don't think anyone trades to 3 for a QB. But that is a possible scenario. You dont think Jacksonville will consider Neal to help develop their QB? I could see Jacksonville with their cap space maybe making a run at someone like Tunsil since they can afford to take on his contract, but if they cant address LT in free agency, I would think Neal would factor in pretty strongly in that spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, slats said: This is basically my dream scenario. If Jax believes that Neal is a franchise caliber LT, it’s a move that makes a lot of sense for them to protect Lawrence. You’ve got people here advocating that type of move for the Jets, even though this team has gone OL in the first round the last two years. I could absolutely see Jax take Neal (to protect TL). But wouldn't Hutch and Thib (in whatever order) be picked at #2 and #3? What's the dream scenario in that case? Aren't those the 3 that are expected to be off the board when we pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Origen Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Matt39 said: He had 19 sacks in 3 years in the PAC 12. So the kid with huge expectations lived up to them and is expected to go top 2 at most and you think he's not worth it because he hasn't lived up to expectations enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 3 hours ago, doitny said: i dont think we would have too. what other teams would give up for that pick there not doing it for the 2nd best Edge. there doing that to beat the Giants to a QB. I think this is a pipe dream. I don't think a QB is going to be taken very high in this draft. I can't imagine a team trading up this high for what we're told is a mediocre class. As for the Giants, they're probably sticking with Daniel Jones for at least 1 more year. If he doesn't work out, they'll figure it out next year. I think the only way they're moving on from DJ is if they can get Deshaun Jackson or Russel Wilson (someone like that). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 3 hours ago, Rhg1084 said: If Hutchinson or Thibs is there at pick 3 would it be worth trading up for? What would the compensation look like trading up one spot in the draft? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 3 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said: I think this is probably right. It also sounds like the Texans haven't had much interest yet if they're putting this out there. It's early, man. Like REALLY early in this process. We've got 3 more months of "fast risers" and guys coming out of nowhere. lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rldev Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Kyle Hamilton will be a Jet. Love it or hate it, he is a sure thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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